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RobVG
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Your "to do" list? new
      #2214132 - 02/23/08 07:09 PM

It's been an unusually sunny day here in the Pacific Northwest and I got a few things done on the obs today.

Had the scope off for some experimentation with an artificial star. Before I put the mount back on, I got a chance to drill and tap another hole for the AZ tang. I was almost at the end of the adjustment because my compass work was a little off. Gonna finish up and get ready for a clear night.

Anyone else get something done this fine day?

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Re: Your "to do" list? new [Re: RobVG]
      #2214170 - 02/23/08 07:27 PM

Great weather here, also! I measured the lower walls of the Observatory, so I can go price whatever I'm going to use, to finish them. Outfitted a small toolbox for there, so I don't have to run to the house for a tool.

Also measured for the brush strips for the roller area.

It was beautiful, to roll the top back, & enjoy a beautiful warm, sunny day!

Carol

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1965healey
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Re: Your "to do" list? new [Re: csa/montana]
      #2214232 - 02/23/08 07:54 PM Attachment (30 downloads)

Drew out a proposed track design for my BYO ROR.Another thing to drive Scott whacko before he even gets here.

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HendyPhoto
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Re: Your "to do" list? new [Re: 1965healey]
      #2214775 - 02/24/08 12:37 AM

Same here Carol, I opened the roof and let some sunshine in while I measured for drywall. I finally decided to give the inside a finished look instead of wood. I dont want the feeling of being in a shed. Its only going to take a tiny bit of drywall and maybe a day of work, so if the weather cooperates, maybe tomorrow will be the day!!!

Do you guys think I should insulate in between, or would I be okay to go the cheap route and not insulate? (I really dont want to, I hate that stuff)

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Re: Your "to do" list? new [Re: HendyPhoto]
      #2215104 - 02/24/08 08:58 AM

Jon,
You using "Green Board" on the obs?
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HendyPhoto
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Re: Your "to do" list? new [Re: Manny Myles]
      #2215260 - 02/24/08 10:33 AM

Hey Dave, What's green board? If it's better I will use it!

I just googled it and yes, I will use green board for sure! Thanks for the suggestion! It's pretty windy today so I dont think I will be carrying sheets of drywall, I may blow away! LOL

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Edited by HendyPhoto (02/24/08 10:35 AM)


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Richard B. Drumm
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Re: Your "to do" list? new [Re: 1965healey]
      #2215273 - 02/24/08 10:40 AM Attachment (26 downloads)

Karen:
You might have to consider what to do with water that gets trapped by the stringer system. I expect that Scott will want to lag screw the stringer to the underlying rafters or trusses under the roof's plywood. Roof plywood can be rather "springy" at times, all it really has to do is hold up some shingles and maybe a snow load once in a while. Holding up another roof calls for some more strength...
Rich

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Re: Your "to do" list? new [Re: Manny Myles]
      #2215334 - 02/24/08 11:20 AM

Jon, Ive been pondering the insulation question myself as I am rapidly approaching build week here. My obs may have additional considerations since it is not a stand alone building but rather a "hybrid" space that is "suspended" within another building.

Looking at the rationale for insulation of a habitable space vs insulation of an observatory there are some questions raised. Why do we use insulation in buildings? The obvious answer is to protect the buildings occupants/contents from extremes of outside temperatures that are uncomfortable or unhealthy for the occupants or may be damaging to the contents. Since the goal for observing is to have the telescope(s) at as close as possible to ambient temperature for best viewing the use of insulation seems counter intuitive. But what about the observer and the delicate electronics that are so much a part of astronomy today? The simple answer is a "warm room" where the observer can escape to a conditioned environment and the bulk of electronics can be housed to protect them from temperature and humidity extremes. Great if you have one or can add one, bummer if you don't.

Having said that, what's the best answer? Pick the solution that will allow for the best viewing conditions in the shortest possible time. With this in mind I think that insulating a roll-off obs would allow you to have a "habitable" space when NOT observing and still allow the telescope(s) to reach ambient temps quickly once the roof is rolled off. What to insulate? Walls, roof, floor? Thermal gain/loss in humans has alot to do with whether or not your head and feet are protected, oddly enough the same goes for an observatory. Insulating the roof is like wearing a hat on a hot or cold day. On a hot day it keeps you cooler, on a cold day it keeps you warmer. Once you remove the hat/roll back the roof you get acclimated quickly to ambient temperature. Simple answer, insulate the roof with radiant barrier foil insulation to prevent some heat transfer thru the roof when it's suuny and hot. During winter when you may be in the space with the roof closed, using a small space heater will be more effective since the radiant barrier on the inner roof surface will help to keep the heat in until you open the roof to observe. The floor? Slabs are great in hot climates but miserable in cold climates. Simple answer is do what keeps your feet and your equipment protected and happy. Decks are close to slabs in comfort with the added benefit of being somewhat resilient for your feet when standing for long periods. The downside is drafts in winter and critters and crawlies can enter. The upside is in summer they help to circulate cool air from the ground below. What about the walls? Tight walls, windows and doors that do not allow air to enter and leave through gaps do the most to protect the inside of a building from drafts/dust and critters. Insulating walls will help with some heat gain and loss and will help to provide a barrier to noise transfer by decreasing the resonance of the wall cavity and preventing it from acting like a drum. Nice if you have a noisy mount or noisy neighbors.

Long story short, I'll probably do a radiant barrier on the inside of the roof to cut down on heat gain in hot Texas summers. I'll be lucky enough to have a studio/control room to escape to when it's too hot or cold in the obs.

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Woodlawn Lake Observatory
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Celestron Omni 150 XLT
Losmandy rails/rings
Starizona CWeight system
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Re: Your "to do" list? new [Re: Richard B. Drumm]
      #2215351 - 02/24/08 11:29 AM Attachment (29 downloads)

Quote:

Karen:
You might have to consider what to do with water that gets trapped by the stringer system. I expect that Scott will want to lag screw the stringer to the underlying rafters or trusses under the roof's plywood. Roof plywood can be rather "springy" at times, all it really has to do is hold up some shingles and maybe a snow load once in a while. Holding up another roof calls for some more strength...
Rich




Probably do a knee wall or box beam under the existing rafters to add supprt to the roof deck. Add some flashing to keep the area on the "up hill" side of the stringer from becoming a dam for debris and standing water. Since it'll be easy to reach that area from inside the obs with throof rolled back it could just be blown off with a leaf blower or vacuumed with a shop-vac. OMG another drawing!

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1965Healey (Karen)
Woodlawn Lake Observatory
Celestron CPC 800/FT MIcro/APT Wedge
SV NHNG 80mm #0261/CG5-GT
Celestron Omni 150 XLT
Losmandy rails/rings
Starizona CWeight system
Celestron Neximage
Sony a100 DSLR/ZigView S2
Meade DS60's w/Autostar (2)
Meade LPI/Meade DSI-C/DSI ProII
750cc Honda Shadow Spirit (Thanks Dad!)
1965 Austin Healey 3000 MKIII





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Re: Your "to do" list? new [Re: 1965healey]
      #2215724 - 02/24/08 02:50 PM

My obs to-do list. Not interested in doing too much until its above freezing for a while.

1) get scope on permanent pier (hammer drill, epoxy, custom adapters etc.)

2) finish electrical for lighting from door entrance and E side of observatory, and outdoor motion "moose" lights

3) pull ethernet from house to observatory, OR, get a wireless antenna location inside the house the obs computer can pick up on

4) build warm box for eyepieces and LCD monitor

5) build some EP shelves near pier

6) install rail heaters (and electrical branches for it) with pipe thaw electrical tape

7) kill about 15 more trees

8) finish landscaping

9) finish wire distribution conduits from obs walls to pier, so all equipment can be located along the back walls

I would be so happy if I got through all that this year!

Mike


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RobVG
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Re: Your "to do" list? new [Re: Mike Clemens]
      #2216136 - 02/24/08 06:21 PM

Quote:

7) kill about 15 more trees




Hey! that's on my list.

I'm thinking about getting a cordless chainsaw for topping/pruning. This one looks promising.

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Re: Your "to do" list? new [Re: RobVG]
      #2216177 - 02/24/08 06:45 PM Attachment (30 downloads)

Top this for me please while you're at it.

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1965Healey (Karen)
Woodlawn Lake Observatory
Celestron CPC 800/FT MIcro/APT Wedge
SV NHNG 80mm #0261/CG5-GT
Celestron Omni 150 XLT
Losmandy rails/rings
Starizona CWeight system
Celestron Neximage
Sony a100 DSLR/ZigView S2
Meade DS60's w/Autostar (2)
Meade LPI/Meade DSI-C/DSI ProII
750cc Honda Shadow Spirit (Thanks Dad!)
1965 Austin Healey 3000 MKIII





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RobVG
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Re: Your "to do" list? new [Re: 1965healey]
      #2216206 - 02/24/08 06:59 PM Attachment (27 downloads)

Know the feeling

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Re: Your "to do" list? new [Re: RobVG]
      #2216224 - 02/24/08 07:03 PM

I was gonna say "gimme back my tree" but on second thought if I go outside and it's gone you can keep it. I have 3 more just like it if you want them too.

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1965Healey (Karen)
Woodlawn Lake Observatory
Celestron CPC 800/FT MIcro/APT Wedge
SV NHNG 80mm #0261/CG5-GT
Celestron Omni 150 XLT
Losmandy rails/rings
Starizona CWeight system
Celestron Neximage
Sony a100 DSLR/ZigView S2
Meade DS60's w/Autostar (2)
Meade LPI/Meade DSI-C/DSI ProII
750cc Honda Shadow Spirit (Thanks Dad!)
1965 Austin Healey 3000 MKIII





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RobVG
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Re: Your "to do" list? new [Re: 1965healey]
      #2216285 - 02/24/08 07:30 PM

To bad there's no market for Cottonwood.

Before the observatory, we had a guy come in and drop 4 big Maples next to the house for $100. I wish now I had kept him busy all day...

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Re: Your "to do" list? [Re: HendyPhoto]
      #2217896 - 02/25/08 02:24 PM

I finished out my telescope room with the kind of wood siding you can use on porches. It was easy to cut and nail and I painted it, looks pretty good. I didn't use drywall because I was concerned it might get wet at some juncture and drywall has some nasty habits when it gets wet.

I didn't insulate the telescope room but when the BYO group built my control room they insulated that part of the observatory. They used outdoor wood siding when they finished the interior of the control room.

My "To Do" list? About the only thing left is to run cables from the control room to the telescope underneath the obs. Right now I just string the wires through the separating window. I still want to build a bookcase for the control room too.

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