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asaint
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Small Binocular Report Series-Part I :A Dozen 8's
      #2250222 - 03/11/08 10:36 AM

Small Bino Report

Edited by spaceydee (03/12/08 06:38 PM)


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Small Binocular Report Series-Part I :A Dozen 8's new [Re: asaint]
      #2250876 - 03/11/08 05:17 PM

Ed, excellent report!

Edited by spaceydee (03/12/08 06:57 PM)


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Small Binocular Report Series-Part I :A Dozen 8's new [Re: NorthCoast]
      #2251171 - 03/11/08 07:12 PM

Superb article Ed!

Edited by spaceydee (03/12/08 06:57 PM)


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Small Binocular Report Series-Part I :A Dozen 8's new [Re: Tom T]
      #2251886 - 03/12/08 12:38 AM

Ed, nice report! I'm reading closely, as one who's shopping for a pair of binos...

thanks.

Edited by spaceydee (03/12/08 06:57 PM)


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Small Binocular Report Series-Part I :A Dozen 8's new [Re: backwoody]
      #2252167 - 03/12/08 06:37 AM

Well then Woody, have some patience, cause in addition to this one in the series, there's a few more reports coming out very soon covering another 20+ binoculars. However, there's some excellent choices in the 8s.

Articles soon to appear in this Small Binocular Report series

A Dozen 8s - a dozen 8x40 and 8x42 porros and roofs
The 10x50s - nine 10x50s with a 10x42 and a 10x60 thrown in
The Roof Prisms - seven 8x42 and 10x42 roofs
Three Families - 3 Nikon SEs, 2 Fujinon FMTs and 3 Nikon AEs, includes the 12x50s
7s or Better - four 7x50 big eyes
The Score - how all the above were tested, scored and ranked

Have a look at the formatted download version. It is a lot more readable and facilitates perfectly formatted download to print so pagebreaks won't cut thru data tables or pictures..

thanks for the comments folks.

edz

Edited by spaceydee (03/12/08 06:57 PM)


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Small Binocular Report Series-Part I :A Dozen 8's new [Re: EdZ]
      #2252964 - 03/12/08 02:44 PM

For a report this good, it's a shame it's not listed on the CN front page...

Edited by spaceydee (03/12/08 06:57 PM)


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Small Binocular Report Series-Part I :A Dozen 8's new [Re: Mark9473]
      #2253301 - 03/12/08 05:34 PM

I have no idea where it went. It was on the front page earlier this morning.

We're looking into it.

Edited by spaceydee (03/12/08 06:56 PM)


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Small Binocular Report Series-Part I :A Dozen 8's new [Re: Tom T]
      #2253347 - 03/12/08 05:54 PM

Thanks to our web guru, Mike L, it's now returned to the front page.

Edited by spaceydee (03/12/08 06:38 PM)


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Re: Small Binocular Report Series-pt1 A Dozen 8s new [Re: Tom T]
      #2253449 - 03/12/08 06:40 PM

Thanks T, thanks Mike.

as I noted above, this is the first in a series of reports. This started out as a series of binocular tests on small binoculars that could be handheld, and used for astronomy or terrestrial observing. My original goal was to stick with under $200 models. We've done so many large binocular reviews over the last 2-3 years that it seemed this group needed some attention. We'll, I kept buying more and more and a few binoculars between $200-$300 crept into the mix, but not many.

A note on the benchmarks. You'll notice one of the reports includes 3 Nikon SEs and 2 Fujinon FMTs, certainly not cheap binoculars. Well, these were intended as the benchmarks against which all others could be compared. When you see the data, you'll understand why. However, it seemed natural that eventually they turned into a report of their own. So, nowhere in all the other articles do they compete with the under $300 models. They are there for comparison only.

Articles soon to appear in this Small Binocular Report series

A Dozen 8s - a dozen 8x40 and 8x42 porros and roofs (submitted)

The 10x50s - nine 10x50s with a 10x42 and a 10x60 thrown in (submitted)

The Roof Prisms - seven 8x42 and 10x42 roofs (submitted)

Three Families - 3 Nikon SEs, 2 Fujinon FMTs and 3 Nikon AEs, includes the 12x50s (submitted)

7s or Better - four 7x50 big eyes (finishing up in a few days)

The Score - how all the above were tested, scored and ranked (a week or two more work)

As you can see, there are six articles coming at you in this series. Four have already been completed. If you been following the Small Binocular saga in the Binoc Forum over the past months, you will find these articles far more organized in presentation than the prelim data posts to the forum.

So far, the first four articles submitted are about 18-20 pages each. The 7s will be about 15-16 pages. The Score will be about 20 pages and literally ties all these other articles together. So all in all, this series comprises over 100 pages written with data tables and pictures.

Each binocular group report can stand on its own, and that's most likely how all our readers would want to approach this info, according to the size group or type most relevant to their needs. But there's no question about it, these were all compiled as one set of data and will be tied together in the Final Score Report.

I'd like to think there aren't many places on the internet that present as complete and thorough a set of test data as this series. I've seen a few. The Rochester test report comes to mind. They had lot's more binoculars, but did far less testing and provided less data. I have fewer binoculars, but provide far more testing and tons more data.

I hope you will find when you see all this complete that it represents what you've come to expect from CN Reports.

Happy to answer any questions.

edz


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Re: Small Binocular Report Series-pt1 A Dozen 8s new [Re: EdZ]
      #2253475 - 03/12/08 06:58 PM

It is clear from this great review that you put lots of time in this writeup. Thanks a lot EdZ

Cheers!

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Re: Small Binocular Report Series-pt1 A Dozen 8s new [Re: Olivier Biot]
      #2253920 - 03/12/08 10:17 PM

What a project! Thanks for all of the time and hard work you're putting into this, Ed!

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Re: Small Binocular Report Series-pt1 A Dozen 8s new [Re: ngc6475]
      #2256552 - 03/14/08 12:14 AM

Edz;

I join in the profound "thanks for a job well done". Lots of great info, I appreciate the observing report, that is where I make my choices.

I have a pair of Orion Savannah 8X42 roofs that I really like. I am assuming that they close to the Regal binoculars that you tested. Is that right?

Thanks again;
Steve Coe


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Re: Small Binocular Report Series-pt1 A Dozen 8s new [Re: stevecoe]
      #2256981 - 03/14/08 09:43 AM Attachment (124 downloads)

Thanks folks,

Quote:

I have a pair of Orion Savannah 8X42 roofs that I really like. I am assuming that they close to the Regal binoculars that you tested. Is that right?





I'm not familiar with the performance of the Orion Sanannah. Performance aside for the moment, they look a bit different than the Regal. Several differences in the 8x specs. Regal has push/pull eyecups, does not have a separate diopter ring, weighs 25oz., and has cf of 6ft. Orion has twist eyecups, has separate diopter ring weighs 1.4# and has cf of 9ft. FOV is same, but that gives no indication of lens performance, and you just can't guess at that. The Regal looks similar where the eyepiece cones connect to the body, but much different at the back end. If I were to guess, I'd say the Orion Savannah back end looks like a lot closer to the Nikon Monarch. But, I couldn't guess at performance.

edz


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Re: Small Binocular Report Series-pt1 A Dozen 8s new [Re: EdZ]
      #2257585 - 03/14/08 03:11 PM

Understood..thanks ed. I know it is tough to determine what is inside the case of so many modern binoculars.

I can say that I am very pleased with the performance of the Orion Savannah 8X42. They have a sharp field of view and good contrast. I find them very easy to use and enjoy the view for both terrestrial and astronomical uses.

Obviously, you have much more experience with testing binoculars than I have. I hope you get a chance to use these and give some feedback.

Clear skies to us all;
Steve Coe


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Re: Small Binocular Report Series-pt1 A Dozen 8s new [Re: stevecoe]
      #2259622 - 03/15/08 04:46 PM

I' d love to see multiple large pictures of each binoculars, because they could be sold under different names in other parts of this world. (Vixen/Celeston APM/Westling/TS/China/Oberwerk....)
Great series, can't wait for more...


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Re: Small Binocular Report Series-pt1 A Dozen 8s new [Re: ArendJan]
      #2282787 - 03/26/08 01:12 AM

Truly great report, Ed. Thank you for your time and effort.

I have a pair of 8X32 SE's I got during a freak Amazon.com sale for $425. And they'll be with me until the end! I use them for Astro-viewing all the time. So easy to hold. And sharp as... well, you know.


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Celestron Regal 8x42 binoculars discontinued new [Re: jtpowers]
      #2283249 - 03/26/08 10:46 AM

Hi folks:

It's too bad that the winner of this comparison looks like it's discontinued:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/370478-REG/Celestron_72013_8x42_Regal_LX_Binocular.html

OK, now I'm confused:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/283397-REG/Celestron_71205_8x42_Noble_Binocular.html

Is either of these the binocs that were reviewed?

Curiouser and curiouser,

Michael

Edited by Michael Miles (03/26/08 10:55 AM)


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Re: Small Binocular Report Series-pt1 A Dozen 8s new [Re: Michael Miles]
      #2283370 - 03/26/08 11:54 AM

I reviewed the Celestron Regal LX. They are available from several websites for $342-$368. A quick search and I found them available on 3 out of 5 websites.

I did not review the Celstron Noble.

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Re: Small Binocular Report Series-pt1 A Dozen 8s new [Re: EdZ]
      #2292767 - 03/30/08 01:24 PM

Very nice work! Looking forward to your continuing work...

One question - I know they are in the higher price range; but any chance you will look at the IS Series of binoculars (Canon, Nikon, Fujinon)? I'm new to this hobby - but am curious why there is a dearth of articles and interest in what I have gleaned are a nice handheld alternative to the tripod mounted big glasses...

Cheers!
Doug


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Re: Small Binocular Report Series-pt1 A Dozen 8s new [Re: wllm995]
      #2293409 - 03/30/08 06:34 PM

Quote:

any chance you will look at the IS Series of binoculars (Canon, Nikon, Fujinon)? I'm new to this hobby - but am curious why there is a dearth of articles and interest in what I have gleaned are a nice handheld alternative




well for one, I would say there is no lack of interest. IS binoculars are discussed regularly in the binocular forum. As for reviewing them... If I ever buy a pair I will review them.

edz


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