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Re: Comet C/2007 W1 (Boattini) - coming soon
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#2520324 - 07/15/08 12:21 PM
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Boattini is now within reach for observers at 54N north
For 15/16 July it will be observable from 1:10am to 1:39am local time (or 02:10 to 02:39 for summer time). The criteria here is that the sun remains below -13 degrees. The actual observable period should be longer into twilight.
If the forecast for the UK holds as it promises I hope to be able to make my first post perihelion observation tomorrow morning
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Re: Comet C/2007 W1 (Boattini) - coming soon
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Good luck to you UK observers--the comet is bright enough that even with the moonlight you should be able to get some nice images. It will be tougher for visual observers.
I made another observation this morning (Weds.) and updated the sketch. Boattini moved ~30 arcmins and its apparent motion is slowing from just a few days ago. It also appeared slightly dimmer than yesterday but that may have been because the transparency was poorer (just barely 4/6)--the altitude was the same.
I read on the BAA Comet Section webpage that there may be a meteor shower from the comet in August. I don't know if there is any connection, but I've had a meteor burn through my FOV 3 out of the last 4 observations. Coincidence?
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Re: Comet C/2007 W1 (Boattini) - coming soon
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#2522530 - 07/16/08 02:10 PM
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I never even knew this comet existed because I have been completely out of the astro loop for about 3 years !!!
I just gained more interest in astronomy again and I have a pair of Oberwerk 20x80 standards on the way this week....I want to try and bag this comet too. I just downloaded maps for this comet and I'll be trying to see it ASAP.
All I need now is a pair of 7x50's to get me in the ballpark area and then I can zoom in with the 20x80 Standards!!!
Thanks for the info you guys !!!
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Re: Comet C/2007 W1 (Boattini) - coming soon
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Markus, good luck with your comet observations. Those 20x80 Obies should bring it in pretty well after the Moon wanes a bit.
I made one last observation until Luna decreases of W1 Boattini this morning (Thurs.). At 0820 UT (4:20 AM local), the Moon was still 55 minutes from setting and the comet could just barely be seen at an altitude of 29° as a faint smudge next to 8.0 magnitude star TYC651-258-1 (through the binoculars the star was right at the threshold of visibilty in the moonlight, too). By 0840 UT, Luna had dropped low enough to allow a better look at the coma and central condensation, although this comet is best seen in dark skies. It remains fairly large and bright given the conditions. I updated my sketch with the comet's new position. It may be traveling closer to 35 minutes of arc in 24 hours rather than 30 minutes as I previously estimated.
Another meteor went through the FOV while I was observing Boattini--that's 4 out of the last 5 observations. I also got to watch the ISS fly over about 5 AM local. I followed it in the 15x70's until it disappeared over the ENE horizon.
[Edit: I added details to the original sketch from my observing notes for each subsequent observation.]
Here's my sketch with the comet's latest position plotted:
Edited by Special Ed (07/18/08 10:30 AM)
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Re: Comet C/2007 W1 (Boattini) - coming soon
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#2525736 - 07/18/08 01:02 AM
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@ Special Ed:
Thanks for that info....It looks kinda hazy where i live right now....but I will be looking as soon as the opportunity arises. I just got my 20x80 obie Standards today and I had to spend an hour lining up the prisms...they seem to be fine now....I will be fine-tweaking them one I get them secured on a stand.
I'll keep coming back here for updates and I'll be posting my impression of these binocs when I get the chance.
BTW: Your sketch is outstanding !!!
Thanks Sir
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Re: Comet C/2007 W1 (Boattini) - coming soon
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#2525823 - 07/18/08 02:40 AM
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Comet C/2007 W1 (Boattini) 7-17-2008 10:35UT, mag. 7.0+-0.5, Dia. 12', DC=0 to 3, no tail or coma detail seen under poor Moon washed sky
I went to Little Mtn. (111W long, 40N lat) Utah east of Salt Lake City last night (7-17-2008 4:25 MDT | 10:25 UT) to try to catch a glimpse of Comet C/2007 W1 (Boattini).
It was near full Moon, so I tried for a brief observing window between 10:25UT and 10:40UT in which the Moon was blocked by Little Mtn. low in the south-west-western sky but before the advance of the end of astronomical twilight. The comet was low in the east at altitude in a Moon washed, heavy aserol polluted sky at altitude 27 deg. An NELM of 3.7 was defined by the twin tail stars of Tau - chi and omi Tau - and gam Cet in the Cetus circlet.
Using 8x35mm binoculars (2.5 deg TFOV), the comet was not visible at its suspected region about 2 degrees northeast of Cetus circlet star lambda Cet. Because of the washed out sky conditions, a pair of 20x70mm (1.5 deg TFOV) was tried and quickly resolved comet Boattini midway between mag 8.1 HD18973 and mag 8.0 HD19137.
Because of the sky conditions, little or no detail could be seen in the 12 arcminute coma - yielding a degree of condensation DC=0 to DC=3. Visibility was improved by cupped the hands around the eyepieces inorder to exclude stray light. Again, because of the sky conditions, no tail was visible.
Brightness was estimated with low precision at mag 7.0 +- 0.5. There were few useful reference stars within 2 degrees of the comet. Using the In-Out method, the comet appeared midway in brightness between mag 8.0 HD 19137 and mag 5.9 HD 18700 and mag. 6.0 HD 19698.
The best estimated optimal magnification to view this comet is 40x. Due to time limitations I did not set up a small refractor but stuck with the binos.
I was glad to catch a brief glimpse of this intriguing visitor under a quiet sky and briefing cool mountain summer air. Comet C/2007 W1 (Boattini) was interesting to me because of its unusual orbital path as it passed the Earth. The comet skirting just below the ecliptic but perpendicular to Earth's orbital path between the Earth and Sun. It is now on its outbound leg.
It is problematic whether using this early-morning Moon-setting window will work over the next few days. The third quarter Moon will become progressively dimmer, but the Moon will come closer to the comet over the next week. The third quarter Moon will pass a few degrees away from Boattini on 7-26. Hopefully, the comet will not dim substantially as the visibility situation improves through the new Moon on August 1st. On the morning of Aug. 1, the comet will be next to pi Ari.
- Canopus56
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Re: Comet C/2007 W1 (Boattini) - coming soon
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#2526273 - 07/18/08 10:56 AM
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Markus--thanks. Hang in there while the Moon is bright. 
Canopus56--interesting report. The moonlight definitely adds to the challenge of observing details of this comet--you did a thorough job. Also, I was unable to see at 15x the 8.1 mag star you noted with the 20x70's. I have edited my sketch above from my observing notes to include seeing conditions, mag estimates, etc. for each of my observations. You might also like to compare your observation to these recent reports from our fellow comet observers in South America.
As you noted, the week of July 27th will be the next good time to observe W1 Boattini visually. I wonder how the imagers are doing?
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Re: Comet C/2007 W1 (Boattini) - coming soon
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#2526535 - 07/18/08 01:02 PM
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I wonder how the imagers are doing?
Clouds! I think global warming is introducing a summer monsoon season to the UK. Over the last 5 years July has been getting wetter
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Re: Comet C/2007 W1 (Boattini) - coming soon
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#2526658 - 07/18/08 02:16 PM
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Thanks, Michael and for the link to the Argentine estimates. I haven't been seeing any northern hemisphere estimates being updated at the ICQ site since June.
ICQ Recent Comet Brightnesses http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/icq/CometMags.html
To correct my prior post, I wrote: "The comet [skirted] just below the ecliptic but perpendicular to Earth's orbital path between the Earth and Sun. It is now on its outbound leg."
Should have read "parallel" not "perpendicular" and also that:
The comet skirted just below the ecliptic but parallel to Earth's orbital path between the Earth and Sun about 0.2 a.u. from the Earth. Now the comet is on its outbound leg moving from below to above the ecliptic plane of the solar system.
See NASA JPL 3-D Orbit Diagram for C/2007 W1 (Boattini) http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=C%2F2007+W1&orb=1
As a result, Boattini's apparent motion on the celestial sphere relative to the ecliptic has changed. Over the next month it will appear to move perpendicular to the ecliptic, traveling from the Cetus circlet to Aries. Near July 28, Bottaini will cross the ecliptic directly in front of the Earth, about 1 a.u. distance, but essentially on the Earth's future orbit path.
This raises the interesting speculation of whether we will see some enhanced meteor activity on August 27, when the Earth passes through that same point. On August 27, there will be a first quarter Moon.
- Kurt
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I wonder how the imagers are doing?
OK I can join in at last. Dawn 21st July 2008. At latitude 54N we can now observe the comet for one hour now in deep twilight just before onset of twilight proper. Only problem of course is the moon! This required 2 minute exposures and a stack of 33 images - no ion tail visible under the prevailing conditions. North left, West up. Insert at x2 scale
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Re: Comet C/2007 W1 (Boattini) - coming soon
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#2533603 - 07/22/08 07:27 AM
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Nice shots, Tony. The coma appears elongated in the 1 o'clock position. North is to the left?
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#2533626 - 07/22/08 07:53 AM
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North is to the left?
Yes - I've added the missing stuff to my original image post
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Re: Comet C/2007 W1 (Boattini) - coming soon
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#2535930 - 07/23/08 07:28 AM
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North is to the left?
Yes - I've added the missing stuff to my original image post
Thanks, Tony. I'm curious about the size of the coma too--recent visual observations (including mine) have been all over the place. What's the fov of the insert?
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Re: Comet C/2007 W1 (Boattini) - coming soon
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#2536380 - 07/23/08 11:42 AM
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What's the fov of the insert?
The insert is x2 scale of main image which is an approx 2/3 crop of a full frame which is nominally around 2 degrees on the diagonal (4 moon widths) - so its certainly less than 1/2 degree on the insert diagonal. But then this was imaged with short (2 minute) exposures with the full moon 90 degrees away (I would normally shoot 4-5 minutes with no moon) so the coma will be smaller than it really is.
Tough one to answer given the image cropping. Better approach is to id some stars and get a scale from that.
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#2540147 - 07/25/08 07:29 AM
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Thanks again, Tony. So given the exposure and conditions of your July 21st image, you might have recorded a coma of ~8 or 9 arcmins. I got my coma estimate on my July 15th observation by comparing it to two stars that it was conveniently traveling by.
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Here is a recent observation of W1 Boattini. It is fading and *much* dimmer than a few weeks ago. Conditions were good--very dark, transparent, and with the comet at a decent altitude--yet it was difficult to see with the 12x36 binoculars. It's in an area with no really bright stars so I starhopped from an imaginary line drawn through gamma and mu Ceti about 8° to find it. It's still in that general area near pi Arietis and 40 Arietis--both 5th magnitude stars--and 36 Arietis (6th magnitude).
At 29x, the comet appeared irregular in shape, elongated on the NW-SE axis, and was next to a triangular asterism of 10th magnitude stars. It was fairly bright through the scope with direct vision but I was able to tease out a little more detail using averted vision. I estimated the degree of condensation = 2 and the visual mag = 8.3 using the in-out method.
Regards to all,
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#2572079 - 08/10/08 12:44 PM
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Hi all,
I observed W1 Boattini again this AM under excellent conditions and with Luna below the horizon. It has faded considerably in the past month--I could only suspect it with the 12x36 IS Canons--15x was needed to confirm it. I didn't make a sketch--here's my report:
C/2007 W1 (Boattini) 0835-0900 UT 08.10.2008 108mm f/4.2 reflector @ 15x & 29x Seeing: 6/10 Trans: 6/6 Alt: 56° DC= 2 (with averted vision) m1= ~9.0 Dia: ~10'
The comet was visible at 15x as a dim, diffuse, irregular fuzzy patch. Not much more detail was apparent at 29x although slight condensation could be detected with averted vision. I estimated the magnitude using the Sidgwick (in-out) method. The comet had traveled about 2.5° NW from its position in my 4 August sketch and was 30 arcmins west of mu Arietis (mag 5.7) next to still another triangular asterism of faint stars.
It's in a busy region of sky--during my brief observation, 3 satellites and four meteors (Perseids?) passed through my FOV.
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Re: Comet C/2007 W1 (Boattini) - fading
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#2573685 - 08/11/08 03:54 AM
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Michael,
Thank you for the updates on this interesting comet. I wish that my skies cooperated in order for me to see it as well. I look forward to your future observations.
Carlos
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Thanks, Carlos. I hope you get to observe this comet--it's fading rapidly.
I made two more observations for a total of three over a 48 hour period. Conditions were excellent on the 11th and I made a sketch, plotting the comet's position for the 10th and adding its new position this morning (12 Aug).
On the 11th I was able to refine my magnitude estimate to 8.7 using the in-out method on a star next to the comet. W1 Boattini remains very diffuse and I would put the degree of condensation = 1 except I could see some slight condensation with averted vision at 29x so I kept the DC at 2. Other observers are reporting the comet a little brighter and a little more condensed, but this is how it appeared to me.
This morning (the 12th),with seeing below average and transparency still excellent, the comet was very hard to see--it was just south of a 6.9 magnitude star (HIP12238) which appeared to wash out the coma to the point of near invisibility.
I'm having difficulty seeing the comet now with excellent transparency (6/6) and NELM of 5.5+ so this may be my last visual observation. Between May and the present I made 11 observations of W1 Boattini, seeing it evolve over that period and becoming familiar with a portion of the night sky that I didn't know very well--I believe that is a major bonus for comet watchers. I'm glad I spent the time--63,000 years is a long time to wait for it to come around again.
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Re: Comet C/2007 W1 (Boattini) - fading
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On my road trip around Scotland I got just one clear night.
I've only just got round to processing the images I took 2nd August 2008, and very interestingly I detected minor planet 32 (Pomona) in the images (mag 13). By aliging on the stars, aligning on the comet and on the minor planet it was clear that the coma of the comet would have passed over Pomona about 24 hours later. The imaging period covers 1 hour 30 minutes
3 mins exposures at ISO 800. North to left, west up
Left panel - comet aligned, middle panel star aligned, right panel minor planert aligned
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