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rwiederrich
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Jim,
Nice avatar. Funny how a fair number of people who are amateur astronomers are also model railroaders. Here is part of my collection, and Espee (Southern Pacific) is a major player in my collection.
Barry Simon
Barry..... 
My train collection spent its time on the rail, on my large layout.
Man your collection is beautiful....
All my trains are stored away...for another day.
I'm green...an I try never to be green.
Rob
-------------------- www.goldmtobservingcenter.com
A great place for amateur astronomers, and ATM's to come and enjoy their hobby.
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alvin58
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I have been having a debate with myself since last year. I have the paint match for my Sears 60mm Discoverer and was planning to repaint, flock tube interior and go through the mount to tighten it up. Would I be doing a diservice to the original or this is an acceptable procedure for these old guys?(As this one needs it) Allen
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jwaldo
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I'm certainly on the fence about repainting (concerns about paint match, paint quality, and safely removing the stickers and whatnot), but I DID go through and re-grease and tune up the mount. I even Loc-tited the declination-axis-retainer nut
-------------------- -Jim
DHQ 8"
C102 w/ upgraded focuser
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DSH 6"
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Preston Smith
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Barry, can powder coating be done after an epoxy (JB Weld, etc) repair? I would have thought the repair would show through? Hubert
Do not use JB Weld. Use Lab-metal:
http://www.alvinproducts.com/Products/ Alvin Products: Lab-Metal
It has aluminum pigment in it for current to pass through it (so the powder coat will bond).
-------------------- Preston
Lift your eyes and look to the heavens: Who created all these? He who brings out the starry host one by one, and calls them each by name. Because of His great power and mighty strength, not one of them is missing. Isaiah 40:26
SV115T,NHII,SV70,SV50 and Tele Vue Ranger
Vintage Refractors: Asahi-Pentax, Edmund Scientific, Tasco, Unitron
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Telescopeman54
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Reged: 08/17/07
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Barry:
That was very interesting and very informative. You have some unique answers to common problems.
Since I used to be a partner in a body shop I would chose to use other methods of repairing tubes. The exhaust pipe expander it a good idea for small tubes. Once a larger tube is distressed, though, it is more difficult. I have a 6" f/15 refractor that was on loan to a friend while I was in Iraq. A violent wind storm came up and knocked the entire thing over. The tube has some pretty nasty dents. They will be removed by the old "hammer and dolly" method. This is where I take a bodyman's dolly and various hammers and work the metal back into the proper shape. Once you've done this to a lot of fenders and doors on cars it gets to be pretty easy.
Eventually, I will have the tube so close to perfect again that it will be impossible to find the repair areas. Of course, any very minor imperfections will be fixed with spot putty and not epoxy. If any areas need that much material then the repair just isn't done well. My partner and mentor came from the old school where if you had to fill it you had to go back and do it right! I should point out that this is not a criticism of your workmanship. It's just that when we built show cars that cost thousands of dollars we were much more particular about such things. That training becomes a habit over time. After all of the metal work is done, a good coat of Zinc-Chromate primer will be laid down using an air powered spray gun. Zinc-Chromate is superior in its ability to bond to aluminum when compared to regular primer.
The finish is only as good as the preparation. It is not normally necessary for rougher grades of sanding material. On some automobiles, where custom made curves or shapes are built with body filler, or fiberglass, a 60 or 100 grit would be needed. With telescope tubes I don't think I've ever used anything more coarse than 320 grit. Actually, I start with 400 or even 600 grit wet and dry. I use a sanding block at all times. Using one's fingers can lead to an uneven finish since the skin on your hands and fingers is pliable and will mold into small imperfections.
Normally, 600 grit is about the finest that one should use when preparing for primer. The secret, as I mentioned, is in the preparation. Laying down primer, as well as top coats, should be done with a nice fine coat. It is not a good idea to try and cover everything in one session. Lay down a mist coat and let it dry for about 5 minutes. Then another and if necessary, another, then a final coat. Once the primer has dried for about an hour (The temperature has a lot to do with drying time.) you can wet sand the tube. This is where patience and quality start to show. Use a garden hose or a bucket of water to soak the wet and dry paper. Again 600 is a very good choice. Sand the primer gently and keep wetting the paper. The water will carry away the small particles of primer that are being removed by the sanding medium. When the primer begins to show through ever so slightly it is time to stop sanding. Wash the tube and let it dry. Repeat this entire process several times until the primer is built up to a point where none of the tube or earlier paint show through. Let everything dry for as long as necessary.
Top coats are an interesting item. With the huge steps forward in enamel paint it is quite possible to get a very good coat with one painting session. Lacquers on the other hand, are a very time consuming process as well as expensive. That type of paint is best left to someone with a lot of experience in a body shop, so, I will not cover it.
Enamel can be laid down just as was the primer. However, there is no wet sanding involved between coats. Each coat should be done within about 10 - 15 minutes of the last. Some paints will allow up to an hour between coats, but, that just leaves room for a distraction to take you away from the work. After that happens you may need to wait as much as a week before you can continue!
Build up each coat in thin layers. Remember to start the spray off of the end of the tube, carry it across the entire tube and only after the spray fan has left the tube should you stop spraying. Repeat as often as necessary. If light coats are done with care and allowed to partially dry for about 10 - 15 minutes each, there is virtually no chance to have any runs developed. Any run in the paint means that you laid it down too heavily on the last coat.
If you need to have an special color, a trip to a body shop supply house is the best bet. They can mix and match colors that don't even show up in the chip books. By the way, do not be afraid to look through some of the very old chip books from DuPont and Ditzler. Did anyone realize that the paint used by Astro-Physics is the exact one used on the 1986 Corvette? Yep! Check the chip charts against your A-P and see for yourself!
As mentioned by Barry, paint does age. It is exposed to the sun, oxygen, moisture, pollution and all kinds of things that can change the color. If an exact match is needed for a repair job then finding the closest match is mandatory. Once it is close then the paint technicians at the supply house can use their expertise to adjust the mix until it is a dead on match. It may take some time, but, it can be done. I did exactly this on an old telescope. It took us several days, because of drying time for the paint, but, we eventually wound up with an exact match. There was no way to tell which was the original paint and what had been repaired. Oh, yes, paint DOES change its tone when it dries. That is one of the things that the paint technician should consider when mixing the paint.
I am one of those people that like to have some spice in astronomy. I've painted OTAs some very interesting colors. Barry, you weren't the first one with a purple OTA! I did that to my 1965 Jaegers OTA about 7 years ago! I have also painted an RV-6 in a nice blue metallic and an Edmund 4-1/4" in an Emerald Green Metallic! (I think that green was left over paint from my 1972 Dodge Polara!) Heck! I even painted a Celestron 80 with Kameleon Paint! That stuff is expensive! It is about $375.00 PER PINT and that does not include the thinner or hardener!! I will attach some pictures for everyone to examine.
The next thing is finishing the touches. With modern enamels a clear top coat is easy. The same techniques need to be used to avoid getting runs in the finish, but, once it has dried the color coat is safe for a long time. In the days of lacquer paint it was necessary to paint and wet sand as many as 20 color coats then do the same with the clear coat! It was a big pain and a lot of work. However, until enamel paints matured, that was the only way to get that deep lustrous finish that actually had a sense of depth to it visually.
Barry mentioned that enamel paints can take a longer time to dry than is apparent. It's not actually a drying time as much as it is a curing time. The paint surface can dry quickly. However, the thinners that are in the paint below the surface need to leach out and that takes time. Heat, as he mentioned, is a great way to accelerate the process. It used to be, and in some cases still is true, that if your car needed to have paint work done, you would be advised to not wax it for 90 days! Also, the only way to wash it was with cold running water and nothing more for that time period. That is because the paint needed to cure. Now, most shops have huge baking ovens to solve this problem. Still, unless you can put the entire tube, or whatever, into an oven and let is sit for up to six hours, it will need to cure. Again, temperature and humidity are an issue here. Since I haven't a large enough oven for big tubes, I hang them in a corner where the won't be disturbed and leave them alone for several weeks, even months, before I put them into service. This is the only way that I have been able to get the hard finish that I wanted and that wouldn't take an impression from the felt in tube rings when they were tightened down. I am now working on building a large and long baking oven just for OTAs such as the one for my refractor.
One last little thing that many people over look is trim. It's done with cars and boats. Why not with a telescope tube? I've done some nice simple lettering and pin striping on a few tubes. It was just basic stuff and was done with special tape because I have just never been able to paint straight lines by hand. Again, check the pictures and you will see some of that gold trim.
Barry, I almost forgot to mention something. Try the Rustoleum Appliance White spray bomb for the Unitron. I think that it will be about the closest match you will find. I'm pretty certain that the finish on the old Unitrons was the same stuff that was used on washing machines and dryers! LOL
OK! I've just about written a book! What can I say? This caught my attention and it is something that I do and do well. I guess it kind of takes me back to the days when cars were cool and unique and we hadn't a care in the world!! LOL
Clear skies to all and thanks for letting me carry on a bit.
Steve Forbes
-------------------- Stephen Forbes - President
Trapezium Telescopes & Services, LLC
61 Valhalla Farm Road
Hillsboro, NH 03244
Web: http://TrapeziumTelescopes.com
Email: Stephen.Forbes@TrapeziumTelescopes.com
Phone: 1.603.325.0619
6" f/15 Jaegers refractor on GOTO GEM
5.1" f/8 Burgess on CG-5 w/ iOptron GOTONOVA
102mm f/7 refractor on iOptron Mini Tower
1975 Celestron Orange Tube C8 on Equatorial Mini Tower
1978 RV-6 on iOptron Mini Tower
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Telescopeman54
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Criterion
-------------------- Stephen Forbes - President
Trapezium Telescopes & Services, LLC
61 Valhalla Farm Road
Hillsboro, NH 03244
Web: http://TrapeziumTelescopes.com
Email: Stephen.Forbes@TrapeziumTelescopes.com
Phone: 1.603.325.0619
6" f/15 Jaegers refractor on GOTO GEM
5.1" f/8 Burgess on CG-5 w/ iOptron GOTONOVA
102mm f/7 refractor on iOptron Mini Tower
1975 Celestron Orange Tube C8 on Equatorial Mini Tower
1978 RV-6 on iOptron Mini Tower
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Telescopeman54
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Criterion agaon
-------------------- Stephen Forbes - President
Trapezium Telescopes & Services, LLC
61 Valhalla Farm Road
Hillsboro, NH 03244
Web: http://TrapeziumTelescopes.com
Email: Stephen.Forbes@TrapeziumTelescopes.com
Phone: 1.603.325.0619
6" f/15 Jaegers refractor on GOTO GEM
5.1" f/8 Burgess on CG-5 w/ iOptron GOTONOVA
102mm f/7 refractor on iOptron Mini Tower
1975 Celestron Orange Tube C8 on Equatorial Mini Tower
1978 RV-6 on iOptron Mini Tower
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Telescopeman54
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Edmund, unfinshed. The green one in the middle.
-------------------- Stephen Forbes - President
Trapezium Telescopes & Services, LLC
61 Valhalla Farm Road
Hillsboro, NH 03244
Web: http://TrapeziumTelescopes.com
Email: Stephen.Forbes@TrapeziumTelescopes.com
Phone: 1.603.325.0619
6" f/15 Jaegers refractor on GOTO GEM
5.1" f/8 Burgess on CG-5 w/ iOptron GOTONOVA
102mm f/7 refractor on iOptron Mini Tower
1975 Celestron Orange Tube C8 on Equatorial Mini Tower
1978 RV-6 on iOptron Mini Tower
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Telescopeman54
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Celestron 80mm with Kameleon Paint. $365.00 PER PINT!!
-------------------- Stephen Forbes - President
Trapezium Telescopes & Services, LLC
61 Valhalla Farm Road
Hillsboro, NH 03244
Web: http://TrapeziumTelescopes.com
Email: Stephen.Forbes@TrapeziumTelescopes.com
Phone: 1.603.325.0619
6" f/15 Jaegers refractor on GOTO GEM
5.1" f/8 Burgess on CG-5 w/ iOptron GOTONOVA
102mm f/7 refractor on iOptron Mini Tower
1975 Celestron Orange Tube C8 on Equatorial Mini Tower
1978 RV-6 on iOptron Mini Tower
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BarrySimon615
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Posts: 1279
Loc: New Orleans, LA
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eStephen,
Great pictures and explanation of your technique. I do want to clarify a few things regarding the use of JB Weld. While this stuff does have a resin and hardener like an epoxy. It does not perform like an epoxy in respect to it's texture when hard. In that respect it is more like an automotive bondo. If mixed well it will sand very well when cured and it does not have a tacky feel. Going beyond a bondo, it has stayed in place for years now, many years without any signs of cracking or shrinking on repairs that I have made.
I do agree that any surface to be repaired should be leveled as well as possible before anything be it a putty or JB Weld is used. A hammer to tap out dents is just not practical when you have a 2.5" to 3.5 internal diameter tube. I have used the hammer technique on larger tubes like my 6" f/5 Jaegers with a 7" diameter tube.
I think the best advise with any of these repairs is to take your time, do it right, and have patience during the curing process.
The attached photo shows the dewshield for the 4" Celestron Super Polaris. It did have a dent in the dewshield which I was able to tap out for the most part. Only a very small amount of JB Weld was used to smooth the surface. The dewshield was then fine sanded, primed and painted, followed by an oven baking. The baking not only cures the paint but also gives the paint job a lustre that does not seem to happen without the baking. The picture was taken of the dewshield in the same area where the dent repair was made.
Barry Simon
Edited by BarrySimon615 (04/01/08 05:06 PM)
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Awesomelenny
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Hi Barry!
I do the same thing with my Lionel Trains!!! I have them in a wall shelf that I made out of Cherry with a oak veneer rear panel! You have those beautiful Big Boys and other steamers. I have New Haven & Santa Fe F3's, a Pennsylvania #681 Steam Turbine etc... I also have HO's and a modular Steel Mill layout with a switching yard in HO.
Ok moderator...I know...off topic!!!
-------------------- Len
Meade 178 ED APO
127mm Astro_Tech ED APO
4" f/15 Model 166 Unitron with UNIWITT Pier
Televue Genesis SDF 101mm f/5.4
2.4" f/15 Model 128C Unitron
Coronado Solarmax 90 DS Telescope
Losmandy Titan; G-11; all w/Gemini
All in a "Backyard Observatory"
Spilhaus Space Clock
"The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands."
Psalm 19:1
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Awesomelenny
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Stephen, Your techniques are very well detailed. In fact, both you and Barry have already contributed a significant amount of information here. This thread should be saved for later referral. Especially interesting was the painting. I found it really hard to believe that it would take paint so long to cure. I always thought that a week was enough. I will now wait much longer since your writing about this. Thank you both!
-------------------- Len
Meade 178 ED APO
127mm Astro_Tech ED APO
4" f/15 Model 166 Unitron with UNIWITT Pier
Televue Genesis SDF 101mm f/5.4
2.4" f/15 Model 128C Unitron
Coronado Solarmax 90 DS Telescope
Losmandy Titan; G-11; all w/Gemini
All in a "Backyard Observatory"
Spilhaus Space Clock
"The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands."
Psalm 19:1
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BarrySimon615
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Stephen, Your techniques are very well detailed. In fact, both you and Barry have already contributed a significant amount of information here. This thread should be saved for later referral. Especially interesting was the painting. I found it really hard to believe that it would take paint so long to cure. I always thought that a week was enough. I will now wait much longer since your writing about this. Thank you both!
I once got a 70 mm finder scope that was put together in the U.S. It was rushed to completion and there was evidence that the paint was still not cured when it was bagged up and shipped out. The paint fumes were pretty strong in the shipping box.
I guess we will have to talk trains "off topic". But a quick few words, check out some other pictures I have in the "Just Trains" Section over in Off-Topic, under the heading "Cameras and Photography". Also check out one of the photos I just posted in the Cameras and Photography Section under the header "Water Towers".
Barry Simon
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mikey cee
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Barry....Any 4-6-6-4 Challengers to go with the Big Boys? You wouldn't have a UP 4-8-4 to go with that SP by chance also? Sorry I digress. Mike
-------------------- 7x35 and 10x50 sears tower binocs, 3" f/10 edmunds reflector, 2.4" f/11.7 manon refractor, 6" f/8 jaegers refractor, "The 8 Ball" 8" f/13.3 brandt refractor, 3" f/15.8 sans&streiffe refractor, 3.1" f/15 selsi refractor(towa 339), 2.4" f/15 sears refractor, selsi 30x30mm spyglass, criterion 5-draw 25x45x75x spyglass(1957), 4.25" f/14.8 tasco 20te.
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BarrySimon615
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I always thought that a telescope tube painted as a "spectral line would be very interesting. I have never tried but I don't think I quite have the skills to be truly happy with the result. A nick or scratch in a "transition area would also be very difficult to deal with.
Over in "Off Topic" under Cameras and Photography those of you interested in trains can find a happy, warm home. Just look for "Just Trains". I have a number of photos posted there and will meet anyone there for train discussions - real or model.
Barry Simon
Edited by BarrySimon615 (04/01/08 07:52 PM)
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Telescopeman54
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Barry:
As far as the picture of the dew shield is concerned, I have only one question about it. What dent? If there were ANY imperfections in that repair that metallic would show it! Well done!
Also, you are correct in stating that baking the finish helps to add a lustre to the paint. That's why I am building that OTA oven. If it works out I should be able to bake OTAs for 8" f/15 tubes.
I have been able to hammer and dolly smaller tubes. I used a modified tack hammer and extended the handle to get inside. Sometime it is necessary to make custom tools to do the job. That in itself can be pretty interesting and rewarding.
You do excellent work!
Now, about that spectral line paint job... Hmmmmm.... You are going to have me thinking about that one until I set off the smoke alarms! LOL
CS
Steve
-------------------- Stephen Forbes - President
Trapezium Telescopes & Services, LLC
61 Valhalla Farm Road
Hillsboro, NH 03244
Web: http://TrapeziumTelescopes.com
Email: Stephen.Forbes@TrapeziumTelescopes.com
Phone: 1.603.325.0619
6" f/15 Jaegers refractor on GOTO GEM
5.1" f/8 Burgess on CG-5 w/ iOptron GOTONOVA
102mm f/7 refractor on iOptron Mini Tower
1975 Celestron Orange Tube C8 on Equatorial Mini Tower
1978 RV-6 on iOptron Mini Tower
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Lew Chilton
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Steve, Barry, Preston, Lenny, et al,
Terrific thread. I'm learning a lot!
I am restoring my almost 50 year old home-built iron and steel Newt. mount and plan to have it powder coated. It was recently sandblasted, as you can see in the attached picture. I was about to use JB Weld to plug up some holes and smooth out some old welds on the iron legs, but instead I will use hi-temp Lab-Metal, as per Preston's advice.
Unfortunately, the declination bearing is made of babbit, so I can't have the dec. housing (actually, a pipe tee) powder coated lest the babbit melt in the powder coating oven.
The counterweight is made of iron pipe but is filled with lead. I think it'll be safe for powdercoating because of thermal inertial. Do you think I'm right, or should I also not have it powder coated?
Prior to sending the mount to the powder coaters, I will have to have some additional parts sandblasted and possibly have what's already been sandblasted, sandblasted again because some oxidation is beginning to form.
Question: To prevent further oxidation before going to the powder coaters - which may still be a few months down the road - can I prime the mount using an etching primer from a spray can? Will such a primer be compatible with powder coating?
Thanks in advance for any advice you can give.
-Lew
P.S. I also am a railfan and have a Lionel train collection as well as N-scale. No layout currently.
-------------------- I don't get no respect, but my scopes do!
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1961 Swift 60mm model 839 (2); 2003 TV-102/GM-8; 1959 8" f/6 Treckerscope; 1959 8" f/7.4 Murray Scope; 1959 Fecker Celestar-4; 1978 4" Edmund Astroscan; c. 1986 4-inch Celestron-Vixen SP-C102; c. 1950 20X60 Saturn spotting scope; 1963 7X50 Nippon Kogaku binoculars; Unitron #114 alt-az mount (Swifty-tron)
Edited by Lew Chilton (04/02/08 01:33 AM)
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Telescopeman54
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Oh MY! Babbitt bearings! I haven't seen those in YEARS!! Where did you get this thing? Those are some small axle shafts! What kind of scope did it hold, originally?
Sand blasting is great, but, bead blasting is better. Sand can actually get stuck in the metal and can ruin a paint job when it breaks lose. Bead blasting material has less of a tendency to stick to the metal and leaves a better finish. You will still need to do some sanding to get the finish smooth, though.
As soon as you get the metal cleaned up, immediately after blasting it and sanding it. You can lay down a primer coat to protect it. However, that will only be good for short term protection since primer can attract moisture and eventually the rust will begin developing again.
I do not know if powder coat will work with primer paint. I kind of doubt it. For something like this, especially where lead and Babbitt material are involved, I'd stick with a good enamel paint and forget about the powder coating.
By the way, I still have some old lead counterweights that I cast on my mothers kitchen stove. They were never painted and work just fine. I never even painted them. LOL
CS
Steve
-------------------- Stephen Forbes - President
Trapezium Telescopes & Services, LLC
61 Valhalla Farm Road
Hillsboro, NH 03244
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Email: Stephen.Forbes@TrapeziumTelescopes.com
Phone: 1.603.325.0619
6" f/15 Jaegers refractor on GOTO GEM
5.1" f/8 Burgess on CG-5 w/ iOptron GOTONOVA
102mm f/7 refractor on iOptron Mini Tower
1975 Celestron Orange Tube C8 on Equatorial Mini Tower
1978 RV-6 on iOptron Mini Tower
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Mr Magoo
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Loc: Franklin, Indiana
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Do not use JB Weld. Use Lab-metal:
http://www.alvinproducts.com/Products/ Alvin Products: Lab-Metal
It has aluminum pigment in it for current to pass through it (so the powder coat will bond).
Preston,
That's good to know. I talked to my local powdercoater and he told me that the powdercoat would not work with any kind of plastic body filler either like Bondo. You can even buy powdercoat kits to do at home. Sears sells one in their catalog. I've even known some guys who have done their own anodizing, but that's kind of nasty business. I did some nickel electroplating when I was in high school with the help of my mom who is a metallurgist/corrosion engineer.
I love reconditioning things. I love redoing old tools, furniture, bicycles, etc... There are a myriad of different spray colors and finishes available to us these days that we didn't have even 10 or 15 years ago. I'm building a solar newt right now and trying to decide how to finish the tube. It's a cardboard tube, so I have to deal with the spiral on the outside.
What I want to know is how you guys bake paint in the oven without suffering the wrath of wifey. My wife was just given a 1 year old Dynasty range that cost $6,000.00 new. No way she is going to let me near that thing with paint! I've been trying to think of a way to rig the old one up out in my garage. Bigget problem I can see is that it's a gas oven. Probably need to have the oven pre-heated and turned off before putting the parts in to avoid becoming the subject of a Mythbusters episode. Great thread BTW. Thanks Barry!
-------------------- Ken
Franklin, IN
Member, Indiana Astronomical Society
B.S.A. Astronomy Merit Badge Counselor
6" f/10 Dob
Vintage Sears Discoverer 4-6305A 60mm
Vintage Manon 60mm (The Marsha Scope)
Criterion RV-6
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Lew Chilton
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Steve,
Here's my home-built Newt. in its entirety the way it looked in 1962. Cave figured the 8-inch f/7.4 mirror in 1959. The scope was finished in 1960. After I got my driver's license in 1959, I hauled it to star parties in a 1953 Buick Roadmaster. I sold it in 1963 upon entering the service and got it back in 2004, a rusted basket case with many of the OTA components missing. The shafts are 1-1/4 inch stainless steel. The counterweight is made from an oil well casing, is filled with lead and weighs 22#. The dec. and R.A. housings are pipe tees, the pedestal is made from a 5-1/2 inch diam. oil well casing. The legs were fabricated from scrap iron by my dad at the place he worked. My dad had it painted at his work with black wrinkle enamel. It is one heavy beast that could be upgraded in many ways, but I will leave it just the way it is because it has so much sentiment for me.
-------------------- I don't get no respect, but my scopes do!
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1961 Swift 60mm model 839 (2); 2003 TV-102/GM-8; 1959 8" f/6 Treckerscope; 1959 8" f/7.4 Murray Scope; 1959 Fecker Celestar-4; 1978 4" Edmund Astroscan; c. 1986 4-inch Celestron-Vixen SP-C102; c. 1950 20X60 Saturn spotting scope; 1963 7X50 Nippon Kogaku binoculars; Unitron #114 alt-az mount (Swifty-tron)
Edited by Lew Chilton (04/02/08 04:43 AM)
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