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bigdob24
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Re: Faint Target Observing List new [Re: Steven Aggas]
      #2408916 - 05/20/08 05:22 PM

These objects should be good targets for a Mallincam, I don't have a 30" plus scope but a 24" and a Mallincam should go deep.
What do ya think
Dan


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Steven Aggas
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Re: Faint Target Observing List new [Re: bigdob24]
      #2409036 - 05/20/08 06:21 PM

Hi Dan, go for it! This is a pretty cool list for everyone.

http://darkskyobserving.com/WizardsChallenge.html

Anyone else have weird faint suggestions for the List?

Steven

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Elements in Harmony I, an 8"f6 German Equatorial - Stellafane Winner,
II a 20"f4.2 Newt-Dob - Astrofest Winner,
III a 6"f3.5 Finder/Newt-Dob, and
IV a 36"f4.5 Newt-Dob - "If it's up there, it's in here."
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Re: Faint Target Observing List new [Re: Steven Aggas]
      #2409140 - 05/20/08 07:04 PM

This is a great thread. Thanks, I now have some pretty hard targets to hunt.

Put Arp 148 on the list, I don't think its impossible with your big scopes.

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Re: Faint Target Observing List new [Re: Steven Aggas]
      #2409845 - 05/21/08 01:28 AM

Hi Steve I got three of the objects on youre list last new moon with the 48Dob,HCG50 all 5 see with direct vision,confirmed by Van Robinson,Shk 1 all 17 seen with AV,this thing is Dim,confirmed by Van robinson,Hoags object, the ring would come and go with the seeing,the ring is bigger than I thought.confirmed by Jim chandler.
One object you might look at for the youre list is Zwicks neckless in virgo, 8ZW388.
Best
Jimi

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Re: Faint Target Observing List new [Re: ZielkeNightsky]
      #2409860 - 05/21/08 01:50 AM

Quote:

This is a great thread. Thanks, I now have some pretty hard targets to hunt.

Put Arp 148 on the list, I don't think its impossible with your big scopes.




Hi Lars, Arp 148 was observed with my 22" under NELM 6.8 skies.

Here are my observations.
22" f/4.1 reflector @ 255, 305, 377, 458 and 575x
MAC 1103+4050 required 575x and steady skies to be spotted intermittingly as an extremely faint round patch.
MCG+7-23-19 is a considerably faint, 3:2 elongated patch with no central brightening.
PA = 100º and 20” long.

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cnstarz
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Re: Faint Target Observing List new [Re: Alvin Huey]
      #2409961 - 05/21/08 04:58 AM

Here's some new or unusual ones: sdssj0946+1006 Double Einstein Ring It's a SDSS discovery verified by the HST
Or Just for eye candy Cleopatra's Eye NGC1535 NGC 1535
Or the cosmic horseshoe PDF- Research paper
Cheers,

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Re: Faint Target Observing List new [Re: cnstarz]
      #2410451 - 05/21/08 10:46 AM

Hi Alvin

Nice to read someone has seen the ring galaxy around Arp 148 through an EP.

I got it with my MallinCam with my 10", and yes the ring is very faint.

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Steven Aggas
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Re: Faint Target Observing List new [Re: cnstarz]
      #2411267 - 05/21/08 05:33 PM

Quote:

Here's some new or unusual ones: sdssj0946+1006 Double Einstein Ring It's a SDSS discovery verified by the HST
Or Just for eye candy Cleopatra's Eye NGC1535 NGC 1535
Or the cosmic horseshoe PDF- Research paper
Cheers,




Hi Matt, thanks, I do have some Einstein rings on the list already and I found a drawing of NGC 1535 showing the dark markings in the center region, so I'm having trouble phrasing something unique or faint about it to put that one on the list....

Any others?

Steven

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Walking on a Dob: http://darkskyobserving.com/MtGraham.html

Elements in Harmony I, an 8"f6 German Equatorial - Stellafane Winner,
II a 20"f4.2 Newt-Dob - Astrofest Winner,
III a 6"f3.5 Finder/Newt-Dob, and
IV a 36"f4.5 Newt-Dob - "If it's up there, it's in here."
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www.DarkSkyObserving.com


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cnstarz
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Re: Faint Target Observing List new [Re: Steven Aggas]
      #2411633 - 05/21/08 08:37 PM

Humm, too passe, well how bout Gomez's hamburger IRAS 18059-3211. web page
I've only read about it, but it appears to be a real challenge. Let me know what you think.

APOD

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Edited by cnstarz (05/21/08 08:40 PM)


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Steven Aggas
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Re: Faint Target Observing List new [Re: cnstarz]
      #2412639 - 05/22/08 10:59 AM

Hi Matt, I'll put that one on the List as it's a very unique object. The Aintno list has seeing its central star, but that's absurd, my list has actually do-able/possibly do-able objects. So I'll list it as just seeing the burger.

Thanks
Steven

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Walking on a Dob: http://darkskyobserving.com/MtGraham.html

Elements in Harmony I, an 8"f6 German Equatorial - Stellafane Winner,
II a 20"f4.2 Newt-Dob - Astrofest Winner,
III a 6"f3.5 Finder/Newt-Dob, and
IV a 36"f4.5 Newt-Dob - "If it's up there, it's in here."
Apache-Sitgreaves Center for Astrophysics
www.DarkSkyObserving.com


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cnstarz
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Re: Faint Target Observing List new [Re: Steven Aggas]
      #2414440 - 05/23/08 05:16 AM

Here's another unique object for your consideration GLIESE 229 WIKI Maybe just a wintertime object, if at all.
Let me know what you think.
Clear Skies,

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Steven Aggas
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Re: Faint Target Observing List new [Re: cnstarz]
      #2414829 - 05/23/08 10:56 AM

Quote:

Here's another unique object for your consideration GLIESE 229 WIKI Maybe just a wintertime object, if at all.
Let me know what you think.
Clear Skies,




Hi Matt, I think the only thing people might find interesting about GLIESE 229 is GLIESE 229B, a nearly 25th magnitude brown dwarf star..., which is a little too faint, then factor in the glare of the GLIESE 229A.

An object I'm going to put on the List is "Seeing detail in the pillar's of Eagle/Star Queen Nebula" I've seen them in the 20" direct vision and a quick look with the 36" was jaw-dropping gorgeous, but now, do I see detail in the black dust trails of any of the spires.

http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/E/Eagle_Nebula.html

Steven

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Walking on a Dob: http://darkskyobserving.com/MtGraham.html

Elements in Harmony I, an 8"f6 German Equatorial - Stellafane Winner,
II a 20"f4.2 Newt-Dob - Astrofest Winner,
III a 6"f3.5 Finder/Newt-Dob, and
IV a 36"f4.5 Newt-Dob - "If it's up there, it's in here."
Apache-Sitgreaves Center for Astrophysics
www.DarkSkyObserving.com


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Re: Faint Target Observing List new [Re: Steven Aggas]
      #2415513 - 05/23/08 04:24 PM

Steven,
Excellent target the Eagle Nebula, the pillars are astonishingly beautiful. I'll keep looking for things you may find interesting. We have had nothing but clouds for most of this month so at least I'm feeling productive.

Just a thought, have you ever split Castor into the 6 component stars? I think it would be pretty cool to see them all under high magnification.
Later,

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Steven Aggas
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Re: Faint Target Observing List new [Re: cnstarz]
      #2415604 - 05/23/08 05:11 PM

Quote:

Steven,
Just a thought, have you ever split Castor into the 6 component stars? I think it would be pretty cool to see them all under high magnification.
Later,




Ummm, Matt, I think three of those six are spectroscopic....

However, how resolvable is Mayall II; M31's G1 globular? At 13.5 to 13.7 apparent magnitude, comprised of ~300,000 stars at 2.2 to 2.9Mly distant....? There seems to be some disagreement on distance but photos show many red giants and some blue stragglers that are significantly brighter than the general population. One would think there would be a subset of the 300,000 stars with a combined light equaling 13.5 to 13.7, whose brightest individuals are brighter than apparent mag 21 and resolved into graininess.

Thoughts anyone?

Steven

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Elements in Harmony I, an 8"f6 German Equatorial - Stellafane Winner,
II a 20"f4.2 Newt-Dob - Astrofest Winner,
III a 6"f3.5 Finder/Newt-Dob, and
IV a 36"f4.5 Newt-Dob - "If it's up there, it's in here."
Apache-Sitgreaves Center for Astrophysics
www.DarkSkyObserving.com


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Re: Faint Target Observing List new [Re: Steven Aggas]
      #2415765 - 05/23/08 06:33 PM

How about the central star of the Bug nebula in Sagitarious, it's listed at 20th mag, and I think it's way beyond the reach of even professional telescopes, but give it a try...Jorgen

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Re: Faint Target Observing List new [Re: lymorkiew45]
      #2415772 - 05/23/08 06:36 PM

How about seeing the outer halo of the Owl nebula, this will be the ultimate challenge, it's approximately 1000 times fainter then the main body of the nebula, this will tests your telescope, and skills to the max...Jorgen

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Z12 Excellent optics in this one
SF 16" Undergoing massive refurbishment
DS 10" in pieces, collectors item
Lanthunum superwide eyepieces


http://cleardarksky.com/c/SanJoseCAkey.html?1

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Re: Faint Target Observing List [Re: lymorkiew45]
      #2415788 - 05/23/08 06:39 PM

The faint stars in the owl nebula's eyes, one of them has mysteriously disappeared, and is not even visible in photographs, they are approximately 18th magnitude but lie hidden in the nebulosity which makes them even more challenging...Jorgen

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12Xti Swayze optics, very nice
Z12 Excellent optics in this one
SF 16" Undergoing massive refurbishment
DS 10" in pieces, collectors item
Lanthunum superwide eyepieces


http://cleardarksky.com/c/SanJoseCAkey.html?1

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Steven Aggas
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Re: Faint Target Observing List [Re: lymorkiew45]
      #2415806 - 05/23/08 06:48 PM

Hi Jorgen, if the CS of the Bug Neb is 20th mag and it's wrapped in a nebula it's not likely visible.... The outer halo of the Ring is visible in the Infrared....

Any other suggestions? Any comments on G1?

Steven

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Elements in Harmony I, an 8"f6 German Equatorial - Stellafane Winner,
II a 20"f4.2 Newt-Dob - Astrofest Winner,
III a 6"f3.5 Finder/Newt-Dob, and
IV a 36"f4.5 Newt-Dob - "If it's up there, it's in here."
Apache-Sitgreaves Center for Astrophysics
www.DarkSkyObserving.com


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Re: Faint Target Observing List [Re: Steven Aggas]
      #2415901 - 05/23/08 07:51 PM

G1 in M31 is magnitude 13.7. I first saw it in an 8" SCT, but it's probably visible in a smaller scope.
Here's a link that has finder charts attached:
http://www.nightskyinfo.com/archive/g1_globular_cluster/
Photometry for the brighter members seems hard to find.
If magnitude 21, though, I wouldn't expect visibility in anything smaller than 2m, even in pristine skies.

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Edited by Starman1 (05/23/08 08:07 PM)


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Re: Faint Target Observing List [Re: Starman1]
      #2415936 - 05/23/08 08:13 PM

Here's an article on observing the brighter globulars in M31 including G1 - complete with observing notes, object information and finder charts.

http://cloudynights.com/item.php?item_id=1559

I have seen G1 with a halo (showing hints of resolution) in a 20" scope using a collins I3 image intensified eyepiece, and it's definitely fuzzy in large scopes with a regular eyepiece.

It's an amazing object.

T

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