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PrestonE
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Re: 20 inch RC Robitic Build...a TEAM Effort.... new [Re: PrestonE]
      #2493882 - 07/01/08 05:23 PM Attachment (25 downloads)

Turn her around and start on the other end

with the 1.5 inch spade drill again...

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Re: 20 inch RC Robitic Build...a TEAM Effort.... new [Re: PrestonE]
      #2493892 - 07/01/08 05:26 PM Attachment (21 downloads)

Went from the 1.5 to 2.0 to 2.5 with the spade drills and then bored from 2.5" to 3.5 inches.

Here we face off the second end.

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Re: 20 inch RC Robitic Build...a TEAM Effort.... new [Re: PrestonE]
      #2493901 - 07/01/08 05:36 PM

Quote:

Went from the 1.5 to 2.0 to 2.5 with the spade drills and then bored from 2.5" to 3.5 inches.

Here we face off the second end.




Now Preston...is this light baffle going to be *coned* or simply a tube?

Sweet work by the way.....

I actually welded the cover for the upper bearing housing for my Mill project..I'm working on. 4 angular sides with 3 straight sides. It was fun. Finally primed it, and put it in place.

Gotta do some fine tuning, and then off to making the fork.

I am no way near the calibur of machinist you have demonstrated yourself to be..

Rob(I still use duct tape.... )well not really...but still....

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PrestonE
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Re: 20 inch RC Robitic Build...a TEAM Effort.... new [Re: PrestonE]
      #2493902 - 07/01/08 05:37 PM Attachment (24 downloads)

So we started out with a 5 inch diameter by 9 inch long piece...at about 18 pounds.

Drill and bore out the middle 3.5 inches and we remove just about 9 pounds.

Since we used a 4 jaw chuck and took our time setting it up on both ends, indicating it with the dial indicator within +/- 0.002 inches of being concentric with the chuck...

When the second side met the first side, we could just barely see the offset. Likely less than 0.005"...gooe enough for the ID of the Collimation Tube

Pic shot down the 3.5 inch bore.

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Re: 20 inch RC Robitic Build...a TEAM Effort.... new [Re: PrestonE]
      #2493915 - 07/01/08 05:45 PM Attachment (24 downloads)

Since we have about 8 inches still hanging out of the 4 jaw chuck, we are going to need to support the outer end somehow.

We will turn a plug that will fit into the 3.5 inch ID snugly.

In the pic, we have turned the 3.5 inch diameter and fit it to the outer end of the Collimation Tube. Before we removed it from the jaws, we drilled and reamed a through hole to allow us to align the part in the 4 jaw chuck easier and quicker.

We put a 0.500 inch drill rod in the tailstock drill chuck and slide that onto the reamed hole in the middle of the new tailstock plug.

Then gently tighten each or the 4 jaws carefully so that the part still rotates without binding...a quick check after tightening with the dial indicator and we are within .003 inches of concentric...ok for this piece.

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Re: 20 inch RC Robitic Build...a TEAM Effort.... new [Re: PrestonE]
      #2493934 - 07/01/08 05:52 PM Attachment (24 downloads)

Finally, we face off the outside of the plug.

Tomorrow I'll take a pic of the plug turned to the 4.1 inch diameter and the 20 TPI (thread per inch) threads that we will turn on the outer diameter of the plug...

After that, we will make the nut that will hold the mirror to the Collimation Tube. It will thread onto the 4.1 inch OD 20 TPI that we turned on the plug...the plug will act as the test gauge...so after the plug gets threaded, we will first move to complete the nut before getting on with the Collimation Tube...

With any luck, we should finish the threading and nut tomorrow...and Thursday be able to get back to the Collimation Tube...it's got lots of stepped diameters to fit some things and not touch others...

Enjoy and Regards,

Preston

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Re: 20 inch RC Robitic Build...a TEAM Effort.... new [Re: PrestonE]
      #2494799 - 07/02/08 07:33 AM

Preston
If you may excuse a slightly divergent comment...
From someone who tortures their drill press into doing things not in its job description (!), I am mesmerized watching you proceed with the fabrication of this instrument. While my own general mechanical ingenuity and skills keep me afloat, my “shop technology” tops out with a drill press and a MIG welder, and I have no real experience with mills or lathes. But your work here, which is simply fantastic, gets me dreaming of aspiring to a higher level of craftsmanship. Would it be possible to digress a bit and give a little background on how came to be proficient with these aspects of machining? I would love someday to add a small lathe and mill to my shop. Any advice or tips on how to move forward in this regard would be greatly appreciated.
Absolutely beautiful work.
Joe

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16" F5 Zambuto, front collimating, scope nearly complete - WSP here we come!
16" F5 Royce, conical blank, front collimating (Mirror Sold)
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Re: 20 inch RC Robitic Build...a TEAM Effort.... new [Re: jpcannavo]
      #2495728 - 07/02/08 04:28 PM

Hi Preston, still coming along nicely!
And yep, they didnt call it 'boring' for nothing, talk about a time waster..

I had to do some 6" rings from solid not too long ago. Why can you never get pipe with the right OD and just the right wall thickness!

Jason


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Re: 20 inch RC Robitic Build...a TEAM Effort.... new [Re: jpcannavo]
      #2495911 - 07/02/08 05:50 PM Attachment (24 downloads)

Hi Joe, I'll give you a detailed answer over the weekend...Ok???

Rob, I never gave it much thought but Boring It Is!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok, on with the machine work...

Threading the OD of the plug at a diameter of 4.10 inches with a 20 TPI thread for a gage when doing the internal threads on the Collimation Tube Nut...

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Re: 20 inch RC Robitic Build...a TEAM Effort.... new [Re: PrestonE]
      #2495920 - 07/02/08 05:55 PM Attachment (25 downloads)

Plug to support the end of the Collimation Tube when turning down the steps in diameter and the threading gage are now finished.

Pictured is the 5 inch OD by 1/2 in thick slab to turn into the nut that will hold the mirror on to the Collimation Tube.

Here we are using a set of parallels with rubber bands through the central holes wrapped around the jaws to hold them in place while we center the disk in the 4 jaw check.

Gage indicates within +/- 0.003"

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Re: 20 inch RC Robitic Build...a TEAM Effort.... new [Re: PrestonE]
      #2495932 - 07/02/08 05:58 PM Attachment (21 downloads)

Facing the front side, then back side again using the parallels with rubber bands, then center drilling, drilling up to 1" and then boring to 4.014" before starting to thread the ID at 20 TPI

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Re: 20 inch RC Robitic Build...a TEAM Effort.... new [Re: PrestonE]
      #2495945 - 07/02/08 06:01 PM Attachment (22 downloads)

So, we have been threading the ID...and you can see to the very right side the ID threading bar moved away to see if the Threaded Test Gage that we made will began to fit.

Here it's on by a couple of threads...need to deepen the threads a couple of thou.

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Re: 20 inch RC Robitic Build...a TEAM Effort.... new [Re: PrestonE]
      #2495952 - 07/02/08 06:04 PM Attachment (19 downloads)

This is after just removing 0.001" more inch of depth in the thread.

It threads on about 1/2 inch, but starts to get tight...

Let's take anouther 1/2 a thou off and see if that does it?

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Re: 20 inch RC Robitic Build...a TEAM Effort.... new [Re: PrestonE]
      #2495955 - 07/02/08 06:07 PM Attachment (26 downloads)

That does it, the plug threads through the nut smoothly.

Tomorrow afternoon we might get to work on the Collimation Tube if we survive the dentist in the morning

If not it will be a 4th of July machine fest

Regards,

Preston

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Re: 20 inch RC Robitic Build...a TEAM Effort.... new [Re: rwiederrich]
      #2495968 - 07/02/08 06:11 PM

Hi Rob, This is not the Baffold, but the Collimation Tube.

It only extends about 3 inches in front of the mirror, the rest lays behind the mirror front surface...

I'll try to get a drawing cross section up perhaps tomorrow afternoon is I'm not wanting to machine after having the teeth worked on...

Regards,

Preston

ps... nice use of the mill base



Quote:

Quote:

Went from the 1.5 to 2.0 to 2.5 with the spade drills and then bored from 2.5" to 3.5 inches.

Here we face off the second end.




Now Preston...is this light baffle going to be *coned* or simply a tube?

Sweet work by the way.....

I actually welded the cover for the upper bearing housing for my Mill project..I'm working on. 4 angular sides with 3 straight sides. It was fun. Finally primed it, and put it in place.

Gotta do some fine tuning, and then off to making the fork.

I am no way near the calibur of machinist you have demonstrated yourself to be..

Rob(I still use duct tape.... )well not really...but still....




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Re: 20 inch RC Robitic Build...a TEAM Effort.... new [Re: PrestonE]
      #2496150 - 07/02/08 07:54 PM

Quote:


Here we are using a set of parallels with rubber bands through the central holes wrapped around the jaws to hold them in place while we center the disk in the 4 jaw check.

Gage indicates within +/- 0.003"




Oh, I needed this little trick about 6 years ago!
Great work!
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Re: 20 inch RC Robitic Build...a TEAM Effort.... new [Re: Pedestal]
      #2496492 - 07/02/08 10:37 PM

Hi Hubert, Thanks and next time you need the trick with the rubber bands, Please use it and think of me

Just hope it doesn't take another 6 years

Best Regards,

Preston

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Re: 20 inch RC Robitic Build...a TEAM Effort.... new [Re: PrestonE]
      #2496498 - 07/02/08 10:39 PM

That scope is turning out extremely nice! I wish I had the tools you have

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Re: 20 inch RC Robitic Build...a TEAM Effort.... new [Re: jpcannavo]
      #2497169 - 07/03/08 10:19 AM

To Joe and anyone else possibly interested in aquiring new tools and
and skills this write up is for you...

The general question as I understand it is how did I gain the skills and
tools to be able to do what I am now doing with this project.

I have long been interested in designing things. But just designing
and then having to go and pay someone else to make the parts was
both expensive and time consuming...time consuming, as first I had
to generate the income, and second then had to wait for the part to
hopefully be completed correctly the first time...

Thus, I decided that if I were to ever be able to overcome these
obsticales...I should learn to do the work myself.

First, and this was before the availability of the internet...I purchased
several good beganing machining books and read everything about
the types of things that interested me in machining...Much of what
I read made Little since at the time, but over time became more and
more useful.

I started with the purchase of a round column mill/drill to be able to
drill and mill small parts. That was Ok for a start, but now I would
recommend a square column mill, as the collumn cannot rotate when
doing heavier cuts...

Oh, and a word to the wise...Don't think that once you have the
big machine like a mill of lathe that your home free dollar wise.

Over time, you will likely spend 2-3 times the price of the machine
on tooling, but again that is over time and you need purchase
only what you need to do a specific job or task at hand.

My second machine was a little combo lathe/mill that did not
have any threading capacity...Ok for about 6 months, but when
I could afford it, I purchased the Enco 12 x 36 lathe seen doing
the Collimation Tube...that was in 1992.

The size of the machine that you purchase depends on what
and where ones interest lays. If it is model airplane engines
the Shurline (sp?) lathes and mills are just fine...

I guess it also depends on the area you have to be able to
setup the machines and your budget...

I'll be the first to admit, of the machines in the machine part
of the shop, the Bridgeport Mill, Hardinge Toolroom lathe,
Harig surface grinder, and Hurco CNC mill, along with
countless accessories were purchased for pennies on the
dollar new prices on Ebay.

In the past few years, I'd keep a list of what tooling or machines
that I would like and how much they would be worth to me in
dollars that I would be willing to spend. Then I would wait
until the item at MY price point came along and try to buy it
then...

That's also when I learned about Skype, the Ebay servise
that allows one to place a bid that will be entered just seconds
before the end of bidding. I do not have to even watch the
auction process and thus do not up bid my item.

If it closes at 2 am my time, my bid goes in at the last seconds
and if I win Ok, if not, I have not spent more than I wanted and
will normally find the same thing maybe even cheaper the
next time....

As far a learning all the the skills that I use so far, they have
all be learned through reading or self taught through trial and
error. I'd say, that I progress with each and every project as
you build more and more confidence. Yes, sometimes you
ruin a part, but each time that happens, hopefully you learn
from the experiance...like, don't do complicated things late
in the afternoon when you are tired...

It's far better to wait until morning when one is fresh and
very clear headed to do the complicated task...but, again
this is something that is normally learned the hard way a
few times and from what I have seen, not taught well for
what ever reason.

I hope this helps those of you interested. If you have
further specific questions I'll try to answer them if possible.

By the way, Most of the nicer equipment machinery has only
been aquired in the past 5 years...

Thanks for all the nice comments.

Best Regards,

Preston

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Re: 20 inch RC Robitic Build...a TEAM Effort.... [Re: PrestonE]
      #2497319 - 07/03/08 11:33 AM

Quote:

Hi Rob, This is not the Baffold, but the Collimation Tube.

It only extends about 3 inches in front of the mirror, the rest lays behind the mirror front surface...

I'll try to get a drawing cross section up perhaps tomorrow afternoon is I'm not wanting to machine after having the teeth worked on...

Regards,

Preston

ps... nice use of the mill base



Quote:

Quote:

Went from the 1.5 to 2.0 to 2.5 with the spade drills and then bored from 2.5" to 3.5 inches.

Here we face off the second end.




Now Preston...is this light baffle going to be *coned* or simply a tube?

Sweet work by the way.....

I actually welded the cover for the upper bearing housing for my Mill project..I'm working on. 4 angular sides with 3 straight sides. It was fun. Finally primed it, and put it in place.

Gotta do some fine tuning, and then off to making the fork.

I am no way near the calibur of machinist you have demonstrated yourself to be..

Rob(I still use duct tape.... )well not really...but still....








OK...I understand. Yes..a drawing would put in all into perspective. I'm still very much inpressed. Even though I can't follow very well....

I finished welding the top plate cover for my mill pier. I'll get at some pics soon. KIds have the laptop in use.. Now I need to find some locking bolts for the RA shaft to secure the fork.

Rob

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