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Erix
Toad Lily
   
Reged: 12/25/04
Posts: 20449
Loc: Ohio, USA
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Welcome to the Cloudy Nights Sketching/Imaging Contest!
Over the years, we’ve noticed we have some exceptional talent in our forums, and we’ve decided that we would like to show it off. Each month our readers will choose an overall winner, and that photographers image will be displayed on the front of CN for a month. The winner will also be awarded an official Cloudy Nights t-shirt courtesy of Astronomics.
How to enter:
Please visit our forums and submit an image/sketch in the appropriate forum, each forum will have a "sticky" thread called "Imaging Contest Submissions".
Images may be submitted to the contest threads in the following galleries:
Beginning Imaging Film Astrophotography DSLR and Digital Camera Astro Imaging and Processing CCD Imaging and Processing Solar System Imaging and Processing Sketching
Moderators are listed by the forum name, and additionally their name or handle appears in green. Please contact them if you have any questions.
Each month, 6 images will be chosen from each gallery for the readers of that gallery to vote on, with the exception of the sketching forum where each entry will be included in the sketching forum poll. The winner will be placed in a site wide poll for our users to determine which is an overall winner.
See the individual forums and moderators for additional details and questions.
Rules are subject to change without notice. Contest Rules:
1. Images submitted in a particular forum must reflect the focus of that particular forum.
Specifically:- Entries in the DSLR forum must be images captured with a Digital SLR or digital camera
- Entries in the CCD forum must have been captured with a dedicated astronomical CCD camera
- Entries in the Film Astrophotograpy forum must have been captured with a film camera
- Entries in the Solar System forum must be of subjects within our solar system
- Entries in the Sketching forum must be an image of a sketch
- Entries in the Beginning Imaging can be of any astronomical subject as long as they are captured with a camera of some sort and do not violate any other rules.
2. In order to provide a level playing field and to encourage participation by novice imagers, entrants in the Beginning Imaging forum who win the semi-finals poll in the CN Imaging Contest a total of three (3) times - or who win in the finals regardless of the number of times they have won the semifinals - will have demonstrated sufficient proficiency at astrophotography to no longer be considered a "beginning imager". Such an imager will be considered to be a "graduate" of the Beginning Imaging Forum, and are encouraged to compete in the other imaging or sketching forums. The exception to this rule will be in the case of an entrant who wins the semi finals poll in Beginning Imaging as an uncontested entrant. An uncontested winner in the semi-finals will not have their win count toward their "graduation" as a beginning imager unless they also win the overall contest.
3. Entrants may submit an image for consideration in only one forum participating in the CN Imaging Contest. Entrants submitting images in more than one forum must choose a single forum to enter in or else all submissions from the entrant will be subject to disqualification.
4. All entries must be captured within the same season as the contest. For example, if the subject was Orion Nebula, than any photo captured during this particular winter (or period that it was visible) would qualify for the contest.
5. Please include the equipment used to take the image. Scope/Mount/Camera/Focal reducers/Barlows, Sketch media...whatever, as well as your name, the time / date and your location.
6. Entries are limited to absolute maximums of 100,000 bytes in file size and 800 pixels in width. Entries that do not meet this criteria will be disqualified.
6. There will be a separate sticky thread for Contest entries. Please do not post comments in the entries thread its just for these wonderful images you all will be submitting.
7. The equipment must be yours. Doesn't matter what it is. 20" RC, ETX70, 2" Tasco or an 8" TMB.
9. You must be the owner or co-owner and operator. You must setup, align, take the exposures and process them yourself. No pay by the hour rent-a-scope images will be allowed.
10. A given user can only win in the finals once every 3 months.
11. Voting for the individual polls posted in the forums will be no later than the 5th day of the month. Forum voting takes place from the 5-8, finalist pictures / poll is posted no later than the 10th, and voting takes place from the 10-15. Finally winners are posted to the front page on the 16th of each month.
-------------------- Erika
10" LX200 Classic, ETX70-AT, DS Maxscope 60mm, 12" Truss Dob, Orion ED80, WO Binoviewers, 10x50's and 7x50's Binoculars, Rebel XT 350
Having Fun in the Sun!
More solar fun: 2007 July - tracking NOAA10963
Support bacteria. It's the only culture some people have.
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Jeff Young
Post Laureate
   
Reged: 08/04/05
Posts: 3169
Loc: Ireland
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Here's a member of the Leo Trio, perhaps feeling a bit lonely on its own. (But that's life with a narrow-field instrument.)
The sketch was executed Mar 26 under quite favorable conditions (Pickering 7 seeing; NELM 6 transparency with a SQM reading of 20.7). This is one of the last three sketches I did with my previous instrument -- a Meade 16" SCT OTA mounted on an AP1200GTO.
HB pencil on white cartridge paper with lots of blending stump work. Dark lane executed primarily with a kneadable eraser ("gum rubber" on this side of the pond) and the afore-mentioned blending stump.
Sketch scanned into Photoshop, scanning artifacts cleaned up, and then inverted.
-------------------- Nikon 18x70s / UA Millennium Colorado:
Solarscope SF70 / TV Pronto / AP400QMD Coronado SolarMax40 DS / Bogen 055+3130
APM MC1610 / Tak FC-100 / AP1200GTO Tak Mewlon 250 / AP600EGTO
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darkstar528
Post Laureate
   
Reged: 03/06/07
Posts: 4759
Loc: Hodgenville, Kentucky, USA
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Cinco De Mayo was just one in a long series of spectacular viewing days.
Equipment used: Coronado PST CEMAX Barlow 2x VIXEN 8-24mm white 20# copy paper black and red fine pt pens black towel to block light :-)
This was sketched very early in the morning.
A new sunspot, #993, as well as some very prominent prominences were visible.
-------------------- Blue skies,
Stephen "Darkstar" Ames
PST, VIXEN 8-24mm,CEMAX 2x Barlow, Thousand Oaks White Light Filter and a Meade Elec EP
CFI, CFII, MEI, working on EIEIO!
BAA Member
My solar site:
http://seemysunspot.com
Live solarcams from around the world:
http://www.seemysunspot.com/live_sun.html
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cildarith
Carpal Tunnel
   
Reged: 08/26/04
Posts: 2122
Loc: San Diego, CA
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C/2007 W1 (Boattini) Parks Astrolight EQ6 - 6" f/6 Newtonian Reflector 15mm Parks Gold Series Plossl - 60x 4 May 2008 - 03:30 to 04:30 UT Sketched from Oakzanita Springs, San Diego County, California, USA NELM ~6.4; Pickering 5-6 North is up; west is right
Sketched with #2 pencil, blending stump, on 100# index card; processed with Microsoft Picture It!
-------------------- Eric
6" f/6 Parks Newtonian
10x50 Bushnell Binocs
CN Sketch Gallery
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Sol Robbins
Carpal Tunnel
   
Reged: 12/01/03
Posts: 1540
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April 9, 2008 Scanned Pencil Sketch of Jupiter. 6" Skywatcher Refractor, Chromacor II, Burgess Optical Nebula Filter, 5mm BO/TMB Planetary Eyepiece @ 224x.
-------------------- Sol Robbins
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atoptics
Pooh-Bah
Reged: 08/10/06
Posts: 1389
Loc: UK
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May 7th was CN’s “1st Int. Day of the Sun”. H-alpha observers imaged/sketched a selected prominence every 30 minutes on the hour and half-hour. We wanted to get an extended sequence showing prom evolution and to truly compare different imaging techniques. Proms change fast and images made more than a few minutes apart often cannot be validly compared. Early on 7th Pete Lawrence selected the prom - It was one of the ugliest and fastest changing we had come across!
The main proportions started to be put in 5 minutes before the mark. Then finer and finer details were added, not in any order, just wherever good seeing happened to show them. This soon brought the time to the mark and then the whole view was assessed for accuracy. It was changing so fast! Finally 3-5 minutes after the mark were spent getting the relative intensities right and generally tidying up.
Equipment: Solarmax60, 5 and 8mm TV Radian eyepieces. Manual altazimuth Vixen Portamount. Hood, one side reflective one side black. Derwent Studio and Drawing pencils on black A4 Canford paper, two sketches/sheet. Flipped horizontally, aligned and captioned in Adobe Elements and Fireworks. Location, Eastern England. The lower synchronised images were by Peter Lawrence 150 miles to the south with a 70mm Solarscope, but see his originals to appreciate their superlative quality. (permission was given by Pete for the use of his images)
-------------------- Les
Atmospheric Optics
TiltingSun
Edited by Erix (06/01/08 08:07 AM)
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Erix
Toad Lily
   
Reged: 12/25/04
Posts: 20449
Loc: Ohio, USA
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Thanks for participating everyone. We'll have the poll up in the next day or so.
-------------------- Erika
10" LX200 Classic, ETX70-AT, DS Maxscope 60mm, 12" Truss Dob, Orion ED80, WO Binoviewers, 10x50's and 7x50's Binoculars, Rebel XT 350
Having Fun in the Sun!
More solar fun: 2007 July - tracking NOAA10963
Support bacteria. It's the only culture some people have.
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Erix
Toad Lily
   
Reged: 12/25/04
Posts: 20449
Loc: Ohio, USA
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After much discussion with Les, the moderators and administrators, I'm afraid we are not able to accept Les' excellent entry as it includes images. This in no way reflects poorly on Les nor his amazing sketches and dedication for solar observing and sketching.
"Les,
After discussing it with the other moderators and administrators, the original request for providing a cropped version and a revised description still stands.
As with most guidelines and rules, it is impossible to write up these documents covering every possibility, therefore the interpretation of the rules lay with the administrators of those that run the contest.
Astronomical sketching comes in many forms. There is realism, impressionism, and astronomical art, and dare I say everything in between. Impressionism created at the eyepiece can be just as effective because it invokes the "feel" of the object as seen in the observer's eyes. Of course those that do realism strive for the accuracy of the object itself. Some create sketches digitally based on their pencil sketches and notes.
Sometimes the distinction on what constitutes an observation sketch or what constitutes astro art isn't always clear, especially if people re-sketch their observation sketch. And with regards to the contest, clearly impressionism would be just as valid as realism if it were an observation sketch and is the object as seen through the observer's eyes.
So with this in mind, validity for a sketcher's work should be on their work alone for the contest. There will be no comparisons with images to validate their work in the contest as it currently stands. You may, however, feel free to compare your sketches to images for discussions of accuracy in the regular sketching forum threads, as long as you include in the post that you have permission from the imager to use his/her images. 
If you are no longer able to edit your post in the contest thread, let me know what you'd like to do as I would be able to edit it for you.
Thank you for your suggestions, Les.
All the best, Erika "
-------------------- Erika
10" LX200 Classic, ETX70-AT, DS Maxscope 60mm, 12" Truss Dob, Orion ED80, WO Binoviewers, 10x50's and 7x50's Binoculars, Rebel XT 350
Having Fun in the Sun!
More solar fun: 2007 July - tracking NOAA10963
Support bacteria. It's the only culture some people have.
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atoptics
Pooh-Bah
Reged: 08/10/06
Posts: 1389
Loc: UK
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The rejected entry showed four sketches of solar prominences made at 30 minute intervals. The occasion was unique because Solar Forum members had agreed to make time synchronised observations to crosscheck the accuracy of different observing techniques. Many prominences change so fast that comparison of sketches and images made only minutes apart usually tells little of the accuracy of the former.
It seemed a wonderful opportunity to allow other astronomers to judge the accuracy, validity and therefore credibility of astronomical sketching as a worthwhile complement to electronic imaging. Not because the sketches were especially accurate, there were some glaring errors! But because the subject of accuracy was directly addressed.
In many ways we are sometimes seen as poor relations and not taken too seriously. It seemed an opportunity to let viewers to see and, importantly, vote on, what we sketchers can achieve - and what we fail to achieve - in accurately portraying astronomical objects. That was why it was submitted.
To allow the judgement of accuracy (and the inaccuracies!), small comparison photographs by Pete Lawrence were put at the base. For a fast changing sun there is really no other way to demonstrate and judge accuracy. I said that Pete had independently made the images. I could have added that the sketches were published on CN an hour or so before any images - but that seemed an unnecessary and perhaps distasteful protest of honesty. Erika, as Moderator, and I have had wholly friendly exchanges about the disallowal and she has consulted other Moderators and Administartors. I’m very grateful indeed for her patience and forbearance and that the issues were treated seriously and that time was given to them. Sketchers - We cannot wish for a better moderator. This note is not in any way a questionings or criticism of the collective judgement to reject. Not at all. I hope that the above statements are seen as purely factual, that’s the intention. The discussions have raised issues about the nature of astronomical sketching as we practice it, its credibility and how it might best be presented to and judged by other astronomers. I hope that these issues can be reasonably mentioned and discussed in this Forum. Astronomical sketching has a long and honourable history with Galileo and the 3rd Earl of Rosse being only two of many exemplars. The tradition has been predominantly one of careful and meticulous scientific striving for objectivity and accuracy at the eyepiece. The essence of science is that it is based on dispassionate observation and just as important, that others are able to judge independently the accuracy of those observations. In the 21st Century we have excellent means to do that via simultaneous digital imaging. Not to use such comparisons when we present some aspects our work is an omission. It could be interpreted that we are somehow afraid to do so, that we are not confident of our drawings, that we do not take accuracy seriously. That reduces our credibility and devalues our efforts, devalues astronomical sketching.
Such comparisons are permitted in ordinary postings within the Forum. Of course. But that is not the issue. When in Contests we place our work for judgement against other forums’ digital images or even other sketches in our own, why do we seem to put a low value on accuracy as a judgement criterion? Why do we not include, where appropriate and necessary, small comparisons that will allow voters to see that we care about accuracy and are prepared to stand up and be judged on it? The comparisons will not always reflect well on our sketchwork, but they will tell of our intentions and honesty. All the above assumes that we in the Forum, like Galileo and Rosse and others, continue to regard astronomical sketching primarily as a figurative, objective and science, as well as art, based pursuit.
In her careful comments on the Contest entry Erika has said:
“Astronomical sketching comes in many forms. There is realism, impressionism, and astronomical art, and dare I say everything in between. Impressionism created at the eyepiece can be just as effective because it invokes the "feel" of the object as seen in the observer's eyes. Of course those that do realism strive for the accuracy of the object itself. Some create sketches digitally based on their pencil sketches and notes.”
“And with regards to the contest, clearly impressionism would be just as valid as realism if it were an observation sketch and is the object as seen through the observer's eyes.”
“So with this in mind, validity for a sketcher's work should be on their work alone”
With due respect to Erika (and honestly Erika these comments are a discourse about the nature of astronomical sketching not criticism of individuals nor a criticism of forum Moderation), this interpretation is a relativist one. It sets little or no more store on objectivity, accuracy and external validation than does fantasy and space art. By those tenets ‘all is permitted’ and if all things are not equally ‘valid’ they are certainly much of a muchness and subject to individual whims.
How is another astronomer when seeing our sketches, particularly solar ones, to know whether it is a genuine attempt to figuratively record nature or a work of fiction or emotive interpretation when these are our proclaimed values? How can they take us seriously?
Of course other interpretations of astronomical subjects have a place in art. But in all humility, that place has to be well defined and viewers need to know where they, the artist and the forum stand when work is offered. We are an astronomical community. Astronomical sketching is astronomy. Astronomy is one of the physical sciences. Science is based on careful and dispassionate observation of nature - - Not fantasy, not space art, not impressionist or emotive interpretations. And specifying that they be made at an eyepiece does not change that. To treat astronomical sketching as other than objective striving for accurate portrayal and allowing validation by others against images is to devalue it, devalue astronomy and deny the long heritage of scientific drawing and recording that we belong to and are proud of.
To ask therefore what values we have for our astronomical sketching and contests - to ask what Galileo and the Earl of Rosse would think of us seem legitimate questions that we be should be permitted to put to ourselves and discuss within the Forum.
-------------------- Les
Atmospheric Optics
TiltingSun
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Erix
Toad Lily
   
Reged: 12/25/04
Posts: 20449
Loc: Ohio, USA
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Since there is a separate thread started for this discussion, this thread will now be closed so that we don't run the risk of having two threads going on the same topic.
-------------------- Erika
10" LX200 Classic, ETX70-AT, DS Maxscope 60mm, 12" Truss Dob, Orion ED80, WO Binoviewers, 10x50's and 7x50's Binoculars, Rebel XT 350
Having Fun in the Sun!
More solar fun: 2007 July - tracking NOAA10963
Support bacteria. It's the only culture some people have.
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