WidowMaker
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Reged: 12/29/07
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Loc: Frankfort, Ky
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Thank you very much, Stan and Geoff.
Were all packed, ready to go. Hopefully well be back Wednesday if everything goes right.
Yeah John, I know what youre saying.
I didnt mean to imply its all but done now, we just had a pretty tough time with all those joints, leveling, and hole digging that walls and a roof sound pretty good after that. Im sure Ill come to regret those words, eh? 
Well thanks everyone and Ill let yall know how things are going as soon as I can.
Happy Memorial Day by the way! 
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Carpe Noctum
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I just picked up this posting this morning and I am amazed how well you and your wife have done. Congratulations are certainly in order! The two of you have determination!
Best wishes on the rest of your project. I'm sure that, in the end, you will be very pleased with the project! 
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WidowMaker
scholastic sledgehammer
Reged: 12/29/07
Posts: 815
Loc: Frankfort, Ky
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Hey Yall.
Were back.
Everything went pretty good, Josh had his surgery and they put some titanium where those three little bones use to be that mean so much to your hearing.
The doctor says he should get a great deal of his hearing back, but it will never be as good as when youre born.
Thank God for the success! 
I stopped and bought some liquid nail type stuff made for wood, and subfloors. Ive put it between every tongue and groove and am waiting on it to dry before I can seal it with the Thompsons wood sealer stuff.
Thank you whoever suggested that.
The guy at Lowe's said the flooring right beside the flooring I bought is waterproof and guaranteed for many years as well as termite free. I unfortunately grabbed the stuff beside it which is not.
Thank you whoever mentioned the Thompsons. It should do the trick and give me enough time to try to get a roof over it.
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THEPLOUGH
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Reged: 01/11/08
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Great news about Josh. Looking forward to the walls and roof going on your observatory now you have that ordeal over with...
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TeleTex
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Good news about the kiddo. Your welcome, I am glad the Thompson water seal is going to work for you. Are you going to use a pump up garden sprayer to put it on or brush it. Be sure and get it on heavy and let it soak in. Keep us posted.
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Stan
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John Fitzgerald
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I would not wait too long before drying in. A large tarp would be better than the water seal, which is only a very temporary solution for an untreated floor. Water will soak through the water seal after a couple of drenching rains.
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blatterjr
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Reged: 08/13/07
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Loc: Saint Petersburg Florida
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Don't let that OSB get wet... it may not warp immediately but the strength will be significantly reduced. I presume that is a subfloor and not the final floor material (OSB isn't designed to be the single supporter of a constant load).
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WidowMaker
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Reged: 12/29/07
Posts: 815
Loc: Frankfort, Ky
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Thanks for the nice words, yall. I appreciate the well wishes.
Dangit, John! Ya got me wodering if its thick enough now!
I thought about getting tarps, but the waterseal seemed like a better idea, even if it lasted about a month, and I could then put some back on.
I used two big ole cans soaking it. On the cat it says only one itty-bitty ole application will do it, but I wanted to see my reflection in it. 
Even after two cans, you cant really tell I did anything to it. it feels sticky to the touch, thats bout it.
I got one more can though. Hopefully I can get walls up and a roof before too long. I talked to my neighbor over the fence who does construction and when I asked him about it, he asked me If I had ever seen houses with walls up and no roof just sitting there. I said I had.
He said they dont use treated lumber and those floors and walls get soaked everytime It rains. He said as long as youre steadily working towards putting the roof on the rest of it will be okay. If you leave it sitting for months on end then you could have a problem, but on my way to Lowe's I saw a new subdivision being built with half finished walls, no roofs, etc...theyre not using anything but standard looking wood.
Dont regular houses go through this all the time being built? I mean, they dont put a roof on overnight, and those incomplete houses get rained on.
I hope to be okay.
I covered every edge, every post, and anything that could be reached with a roller or a paintbrush.
I gotta go be the bad guy since they got Indiana Jones toys in their darned burger meal.
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John Fitzgerald
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You are probably OK for the short term (month or so) with that much water seal. You won't have any constant load on the floor I presume, since the walls are to sit over the perimeter foundation and the scope sits on a thick slab of concrete. You might want to put down a finish floor of thin, smooth plywood when it's all dried in, but not absolutely necessary IMO. The wafer board (OSB) tends to produce splinters with wear. You'll probably carpet it with some kind of I/O carpet anyway.
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blatterjr
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Reged: 08/13/07
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Loc: Saint Petersburg Florida
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I've used sealed OSB as a finish floor over subflooring for aesthetics... its used as exterior roof decking and exterior sheathing, but never left exposed for long.
As an architect, my specifications (and I'm a realist here) call for immediate cover by final material or rainscreen as OSB starts disintegration and delamination immediately.
I'm sure you can find plenty a contractor that says its ok for an undetermined period of time, but "20-years of doing it wrong doesn't make it right."
If you've sealed it propertly (edge coverage included) I would still cover it to prevent ponding in low spots. Additionally, take John's advice and put something over it... if only another layer. I presume you didn't seal the bottom of the sheets; they are exposed to moisture under the structure and *will* disintegrate over time.
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Pedestal
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Cover it with some "Visqueen". This is a cheap plastic dropcloth type material, available at your home supply. It may not be 100% waterproof (edges, tears, etc.) , but it'll keep most of the moisture off until you get a roof on. It has the advantage of being -cheap- and when you are done, you can wad it up and stuff it in a garbage bag and be done with it. Be aware, if you leave the visqueen down during construction it can be very slippery to walk on, though.
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THEPLOUGH
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Reged: 01/11/08
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Loc: Carlisle, Cumbria, ENGLAND
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Carry on as you are, that water sealer does exactly what it says on the CAN. It stops water penetration, and as long as you don't waste time getting walls and roof on their will not be a problem... 
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blatterjr
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Carry on as you are, that water sealer does exactly what it says on the CAN. It stops water penetration, and as long as you don't waste time getting walls and roof on their will not be a problem...
I read up and couldn't find where it said he sealed the back (correct me if its stated in the thread). That said, the visqueen will help with moisture until the walls and roof are on. 
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THEPLOUGH
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Carry on as you are, that water sealer does exactly what it says on the CAN. It stops water penetration, and as long as you don't waste time getting walls and roof on their will not be a problem...
I read up and couldn't find where it said he sealed the back (correct me if its stated in the thread). That said, the visqueen will help with moisture until the walls and roof are on.
Looking at the photos their appears to be a good ventilation gap around the base, this will keep the air moving and prevent a serious build up of moisture on the underneath of the boards...
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Geoff...
Nexstar 8SE -- 9X50 RACI Finder scope... 6.3 F/R.-- 13 & 17mm Hyperion EPs.. 25mm Celestron E- Lux EP.. 2X Celestron X-Cel Barlow----- Celestron solar filter + A few bits and pieces..
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NeoDinian
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Working in the construction industry, I can tell you that MANY houses go up with exposed OSB subfloors. Typically, when the build the floor, the rains come in droves... The house can sit for about 2 weeks before they finally get the walls up, and another week before the roof gets sheathed...
The point is you have to let it dry out well after you're finished. You'll have no problems with it with a little rain... At most, some seams may pucker a little.
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WidowMaker
scholastic sledgehammer
Reged: 12/29/07
Posts: 815
Loc: Frankfort, Ky
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Thanks alot everyone.
I went ahead and put that last can of Thompsons on it, all over every edge, post, and any wood i could reach with my brush.
Naw, Blatterjr, I wasnt wise enough to put waterseal on the underside of the flooring before I put it up.
Im still kicking myself for not buying the betterm waterproof stuff. If only I had known about it...
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You might want to put down a finish floor of thin, smooth plywood when it's all dried in,
What do they call that thin plywood flooring, John?
Is there some name I should be looking for?
I want to put something over the ugly particle board looking flooring I have now, is 'I/O carpet' indoor/outdoor?
Dean had carpet in his and it was nice. Perhaps thats the route to take.
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I've used sealed OSB as a finish floor over subflooring for aesthetics... its used as exterior roof decking and exterior sheathing, but never left exposed for long.
um.
When you say 'subfloor' what are we talking about exactly?
The only flooring I have is the tongue and groove (OSB?) flooring now? Is that the subfloor?
Sorry, Ive never done any of this and 'subfloor' is beyond me.
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I'm sure you can find plenty a contractor that says its ok for an undetermined period of time, but "20-years of doing it wrong doesn't make it right."
Lol, who am I to argue with an architect?
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Cover it with some "Visqueen"
Thanks, Hubert. Ill look into that. Would I just be better off with a tarp ya think? I just bought one big one that I was using to cover my pier slab before i put the floor on it, now its covering the riding mower. I could get another one and possibly cover it all.
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At most, some seams may pucker a little.
I put several tubes of wood sealant stuff made for sealing wood, decks, flooring to itself, and particle board type stuff in every joint and crack where the tongue and groove went together.
While we were in the hospital it rained the wife said, so Its already had one big dose of rain without any sealant or anything on it.
Yesterday and today was around 80° so im sure it dried pretty good before I treated it. Tommorrow is suppose to be nice, and then several more days of rain (of course it changes everytime I look), so Im hoping to go after the 2x4's I need to make walls.
Hopefully we can make a wall or two tommorrow night once the wife gets home and get right back on it.
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blatterjr
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Reged: 08/13/07
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Loc: Saint Petersburg Florida
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Georgia, Florida and New York have amendments to their building code (FBC + IBC respectively) eliminating OSB as a viable flooring material. This is due in part to how its being used and not necessarily the quality of the product.
I just don't want you to step through a single piece of material or have it sag significantly sometime in the future. By subfloor I am referring to the possibility of you putting on another layer to add strength. The other layer could be plywood, more OSB or a veneered homesote (helps with dropped lenses, etc.)
OSB is a lure at $5-6 per sheet as opposed to a 7/16" or 3/4" sheet of A-B plywood at $18-26... but they perform vastly different functions.
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Scott Horstman
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He used 3/4 T&G OSB. No one will be falling through it.
Man, you must hate TJIs 
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blatterjr
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He used 3/4 T&G OSB. No one will be falling through it.
Man, you must hate TJIs
Nah, I specify them frequently... for inside applications. In using them over basements (any moisture areas), plywood is substituted for the OSB. 
We typically use Weyerhaeuser products.
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Robert
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WidowMaker
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Reged: 12/29/07
Posts: 815
Loc: Frankfort, Ky
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Mornin, Yall.
Its a gloomy overcast day with a 40% chance of a thunderstorm. 
Im struggling trying to figure out how to tackle these walls.
My dimensions are 15'6"x11'6" and I cant decide if I should buy a 16' 2x4 for the walls, two 2x4x10's, a 2x4x12 and a 2x4x6, or what.
Im guessing that to run the length of the floor two 2x4x8's may be stronger than one 2x4x16. Anyone?
Would one really long board be better or stronger than two smaller boards butted up against each other?
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