lalana
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Hello all,
I'm a newbie who has just received his first purchase....
*Orion Resolux 15*70mm
*Orion Paragon-P mount + tripod 
Love the bino's and the tripod seems nice and solid but
I've got a PROBLEM  with my MOUNT!!!!
Pic 1 shows how the mount adaptor fits snugly to a friends'
7*50 Bino's.....
Pic 2 shows how the adaptor is WAAAY to big for my Resolux's
and are digging into the rubber frame.As well,because they
cannot screw in fully they are not tight,but quite loose!!
Pic's 3/4/5...show me attaching the adaptor that was
supplied with the bino's.They are a perfect fit,BUT the
altitude range of movement is rendered as good as useless
so it's not practical.Sorry folks,maybe I'm missing something here and not attaching it correctly,but I can't
see how this adaptor can be attached differently 
The pic showing the close-up underside view of the bino
adaptor attached to the L-bracket...gives an indication,
I think, of how the Bino adaptor needs to be fitted in the
location where the 2 allen screws are!!!!
Pic. 6 shows me taking the L-bracket off!!
Pic 7 shows how it would be GREAT if the other adaptor
could be attached(because it's the one I need)!!
Pic 8 shows my dilemma in thinking of attaching this
adaptor 
I'm HOPING  somebody out there has bought this model
Mount/Tripod with 15*70 Bino's and has an answer to my
problem.Maybe I just need to seek out a "Handyman" who's
got the tools+skills to attach the good adaptor to my Mount,
in some way 
Sorry folks if some feedback here tells me I should have
done more substantive research BEFORE purchasing......
I made the mistake thinking that since both bino + mount
were from the same manufacturer they would SURELY be
compatible...the Orion website said that the mount was
compatible with bino's of up to 80mm,but as a newbie I
failed to forsee this "connection problem"
I'll finish off now,and apologies if this post has been a
bit looooong....it's just that I'm in a bit of a quandry
and don't know what to do....
MANY THANKS,
DAVID.........
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lalana
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Sorry folks,
not sure how to multi-load pics and made a bit of a mess there 
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lalana
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This pic is of the small 7*50's which fit sweetly on to
the mount...unlike my previous pic where my 15*70's are
way too big
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bbriggs
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Hello David,
There is an adapter that will screw in to the center hole in your second picture. It is like a post and has a place on the bottom to attach to a tripod or P mount. The one I got is stainless steel and has a button that you screw in to the hole in the hinge of the binos and quick releases to the stem. I will try to find the manufacturer and post it.
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lalana
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This is my Bino adaptor attached to the L-bracket...it's
a perfect fit(For the bino's)..BUT... they need to be
FITTED TO WHERE THE 2 ALLEN SCREWS ARE to be functional or
practically usable...maybe I need a handyman to attach it
to this area IN SOME WAY...I'm confused to be honest
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bbriggs
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The mount I referred to is a FAR-Sight binocular mount. Check out Scope City.com
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lalana
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Here's my bino adaptor sitting where I've taken my
L-bracket off...it's the one that is perfect for my Bino,
BUT,..the first picture I sent here in this post shows that
could be a bit tricky......
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lalana
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Thanks a lot for the reply and help bbriggs...I had a look
at the Scope City website ,as you can see,at the product.
I'm a newbie,so excuse my slowness on the pick-up  ....
I would like to obviously keep my mount,but the pic here
shows the bino with "Tripod-only"........
then I read it was designed to be compatible with "most'
tripod + mount HEADS***...SO that leaves me wondering
would it be at all "compatible/suitable" with my
MOUNT HEAD(as seen in my 1st pic on this post  )...but
however it turns out,it's at least 1 option I now have as
a possibility,so that's encouraging.......maybe I should
just ring Scope City 
If anyone else also has any pearls of wisdom on this issue
that'd be GREEAAAT!!!....I DON'T WANT to attach these
Bino's to the over-sized adaptor and damage them.........
BUT I'm like a hyper-active kid here...I'm just sooo keen
to get these bino's sturdily mounted and get with the
program.........
THANKS FOR ANY HELP + ADVICE FOLKS.....
Edited by EdZ (05/09/08 12:11 PM)
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BobinKy
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David--
I suggest you send an e-mail to Garrett Optical. Be sure to reference the links in this thread so he can have a better idea of your problem. I think he sells the same binocular (or similar), as well as the Orion Paragon Plus mount and tripod (and other parallelogram mounts).
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Patrick
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I discovered I have the same problem with my Obie 15x70 Ultras'. I think the Farpoint adapter is one solution, but a very expensive one. I emailed Kevin at Big Binoculars and am waiting for a response from him for solutions. I'll let you know what he says.
Patrick
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lalana
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Hey Patrick,
Sorry to hear you've got similar problems,but reassuring that I'm not alone,if you know what I mean  I would really appreciate and look forward to any feedback you do eventually get!!Do you also have the Paragon Mount??
I'm a bit surprised/disappointed that there's a lack of "Compatability" with my gear though.If my Bino's were Garret's or Obie's I could kinda forgive it as the mount is from a different manufacturer,..BUT..I can't believe that the Orion 15*70mm's are TOO SMALL for the L-Bracket and that the slimline bracket that came with the Bino's can't,it seems, be fitted without without some major DIY work  ...I thought Orion would have covered their tracks on this one 
Maybe the only solution would be that DIY route and get a new L-Bracket or Mount Head made...but I haven't got the skillsets for that task and going to a mechanical workshop and getting stuff made...well, it could get very messy
Anyway,hopefully we'll talk soon Patrick and whatever happens,good luck with your searching on your Bino/mount quest,..........
DAVID..
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Patrick
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Hi David,
Regarding the compatibility issue, Orion is not a manufacturer but a retailer. I don't think there is any way that they could have foreseen the problem you're facing.
Okay, that said, I did get an email back from Kevin at Big Binoculars stating that the Oberwerk Heavy-Duty L adapter ($19.95) is narrow enough to fit the 15x70 binoculars. Kevin suggested that a washer could be added between the screw hole and the adapter, providing the bolt is long enough to reach the hole which could help you use the adapter that fits the mount.
I'm still thinking about going with the FarPoint setup because of the extra features it gives.
Patrick
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Celestron C6S-GT SCT
Denk Binoviewers
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Wes James
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David-
I'm having a bit of difficulty following your pictures, or should I say- intrepreting them properly. In pic 2 & 3, it appears you're showing a binocular adapter (we'll call it adaptor #1) that is poorly designed, in that it is so wide as to cause problems fitting the bino attachment area. While it might work with a few, it will not work with many bino's due to its large width, as you note. The 4th picture shows a better design bino adaptor (we'll call this adaptor #2), in that it is narrow enough to fit all your binoculars properly. The 5th picture, however, appears that you're trying to mount the 2nd bino adaptor to the 1st bino adaptor, which won't work! If indeed you are trying to utilize both adaptors, that won't work. One or the other. The FarSight mount is a good mount, expensive as noted, (I own one) but is really simply a fancy version of your adaptor #2. It mounts the same way to your tripod/parallelogram mount head- or whatever you're mounting it to. So purchasing a Far Sight mount won't give you any mounting option you don't currently have. You should use adaptor #2 to mount your bino's to your P-mount. I don't see you needing adaptor #1. It appears that is what Orion provided, and is poorly designed in that it is too wide. I would contact Orion, and forward them your pictures as well. I initially thought you needed to turn the bino's 90 degrees, so they pointed perpendicular to the parallelogram arms, but went to the Orion site and looked at the mount and see that with their parallelogram, they indeed do show the bino pointing in line with the arms... so you need to somehow be able to mount bracket/adaptor #2 to your mount instead of #1. Picture 5 looks like what you want to end up with, only you need to turn it 180 degrees, so the threads are pointing in the other direction.
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Atlantic Beach, FL
Some bino’s from Miyauchi 5x32 Binon's up through Garrett 20x110 Signature's,
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Some good friends, made here on C/N.
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Anyone want a cat???? :-O
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Edited by Wes James (05/09/08 09:11 AM)
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EdZ
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The problem he is having here is this.
a typical tripod shoe has the screw that screws into the underside of the L adapter. That is not the case here.
the Pgram mount head shown has female screw thread holes and is designed to "accept" screws that are inserted down thru the top of the L adapter.
there is no way to insert screws thru the top of the premium thin profile L adapter. It has only one 1/4x20 female screw hole and it is made to be attached from underneath.
that has always been an issue with the "Virgo Skymount Style" Orion parallelogram mount.
The wide, and sturdy L adapter provided by Orion has pretty much been the standard for a dozen years, is a very good L adapter and will fit probably 8 out of 10 binoculars. Few binoculars require a thin profile L adapter. I've got one thin profile adapter. I've got 8 or 10 wide L adapters.
The FarPoint Adapter would work, as it has two holes that would allow you to insert screws from top down into the Pgram (if the spread is the same). As mentioned, quite expensive.
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Wes James
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Unless the threads in the P-Mount are 1/4"-20, in which case he could get a stud (no head), approx. 3/4"-1" long and utilize to attach the two.
Wes
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I thought Orion sold a small adapter to solve this problem???
edz
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edwinh
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You mean this? (#07589)?
For mounting the vertical center-post (larger bino) kind on the p-mount rather than the L-type, I thought.
http://www.telescope.com/control/product/~category_id=adapters_and_cables/~pcategory=accessories/~product_id=07589
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It would accomodate this problem. And would be a much sturdier method of doing so than using another L bracket.
edz
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lalana
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Cheers one + all for the feedback I've had a look,Patrick, at the Oberwerk L-Bracket + I may be wrong but it looks uncannily similar to the slimline adapter that is shown in pics.1/4/5 of my post,and if so would not serve my purpose.
Indeed,posted again is my first pic, and the crux of my dilemma...as shown..in my left hand is the base of the slimline adapter which is "suitable/correct-fitting" BUT..
on the right is the Mount-Head base with the L-Bracket removed and hence my dilemma of fitting it???
Thanks Wes James for the feedback,as you rightly said the large L-Bracket is too large but I'm in a spot of bother as they say,in trying to figure how to fit the other one on My act of fitting the slimline adapter on top of the L-Bracket was my desperate act of looking at different configurations of solving the problem!!.
Also,thanks Edz,you're clearly familiar then with this potential-shortcoming on the Orion Mount, with a minority of Bino's that are too narrow to fit the wide L-Adapter!!...and the futility of hoping to fit the slimline adapter on for your reasons given!! Point taken about the "Farpoint" adapter,quite expensive,BUT it has 2 insert screws from top-down/same-type configuration....ONLY thing I have to find out/be careful of...IS THE SPREAD THE SAME??..as you rightly point out.Probably a "heads-up" to Patrick, as well about this,as he is thinking of getting it also
Yeah,Edwinh,had a look at your P-mount connector and I'm a little bit confused  (forgive me,I'm a newbie)..I think this adapter may only be suitable for different centre-mount bino's and not mine??..sorry here folks as I'm on a steep learning curve,with this being my first ever purchase'n all
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As I see it,I have 2 options at the moment,as it stands!!!!!
*1*-Do/order, some major DIY work involving the making of a new L-Bracket or Mount head.
*2*-Get one of these "Farpoint" adapters,but only if the "spread is the same" for the 2 screw openings.
If anyone else has any ideas from looking at this picture then "Go ahead punk,make my day !!!!"
I'm quickly learning that this Astronomy game can get a little bit complex and not all is what it seems....but have to say I'm delighted with my Bino's,tripod seems solid + if I can just get over this small hurdle with the mount connection I'll be sooo happy!!!
THANKS EVERYONE,
DAVID.....
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lalana
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 AAAAhh,the penny drops + the plot dilutes,I think I get you now guys + thanks for the help!!!Just to be sure here's a picture of what Edwinh kindly supplied!!
Am I correct in saying that my original L-Bracket is to be taken off and this adapter to be fitted on(I assume these 2
openings have the same spacing as the head).I then fit my slimline adapter base down on top of the screw as shown in the picture(once again assuming the base of my slimline adapter is compatible??)....IF SO, then this would be FANTASTIC and as Edz says,would accomodate my problem very nicely indeed as far as I can see!!!!
Thanks guys,I'll have to "find out/confirm" that it all fits,and if so then that's great!!
DAVID.........
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Wes James
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Another option would be to cut down/grind down the sides of the adaptor in pic #2 so it would fit like the other narrower one- if that would work. Good luck, I hope you come up with a solution- that's one of the great things about this forum- there's a wealth of help and experience out there just for the asking!
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lalana
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Yeah Wes,your proposal from picture #2 is also a good one!! The other side of that adapter also holds a metallic-type washer that's held by those 3 screws that you can see,BUT,that could also be ground down,I suppose.Thanks for the suggestion,and as you say,this forum's got a wealth of info. that can be tapped into + help us out!!
ALL THE BEST,
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you have figured it out.
Furture reference,
link to manufacturers photos perfectly fine
copying manufacturers photos, no no
see Rules pinned at top of Binoc forum
thanks for understanding
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I have the exact same binocs and mount. I too ran into this problem when I first got this setup about a month or so ago. I was pretty irritated at first, but quickly came up with a solution. I solved the problem by removing the circular metal plate that is attached by three screws to the L-bracket and using a smaller washer from my Nikon binocular tripod adapter. This smaller washer fits between the rubber while keeping the binocs off the L-bracket, and it mates up perfectly with the L-bracket where the circular plate used to be. A thick plastic washer from the hardware store might work just as well as long as its diameter is small enough to fit between the rubber and thick enough to mate up properly.
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tom r.
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Hi David,
I just had to do the exact same thing with my Paragon mount. The "flat" adapter replaces the Paragon "L" bracket. You may then place that original Paragon "L" bracket away for safe keeping. Then place the narrower binocular "tripod" ready adapter onto the "flat" adapter. Ready to rock and roll!
Tom
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lalana
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No problem Edz...silly me + never gave copyright infringement any consideration,so will know for again to just post a link!!
Thanks Dis,lucky for you that you had a Nikon bino adapter but it's not in my armoury however!!Your thick washer idea is not a bad alternative though,..take it you'd be just referring to sticking/attaching it on some way then,as I doubt I'd get a washer with such a 3-screw configuration???
With that in mind,I "might" go with this "Flat Adapter" option as it's the neater of the alternatives and would "seem" to be a failsafe solution!!! 
tom r.?????.......Do you yourself have the Orion 15*70 Resolux model or the Obie Ultra/Garret Optical etc... which I'm led to believe are all from the same "Batch" so to speak by this Chinese Kunming Company???
GREAT to hear that the 2 screw-holes on the flat adapter fit perfectly on to the head replacing the L-Bracket and I'm assuming?? that the screw-thread on this flat adapter fits into the base of my slimline adapter which is being held in my hand in this picture!!!
Speaking of rock 'n roll how have you guys been getting on using these size Bino's...I'm really looking forward to using mine and am enjoying reading the Books I've bought in anticipation of the pleasures to come 
TAKE CARE ALL,
DAVID......
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Randy Cordell
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I did not read this whole post thoroughly but I own the Paragon Plus and the L adapter you have. After I first got it I mounted a head off of a cheap, lightweight camera tripod that uses a 1/4"-20. I then put the "standard" L adapter on the shoe for that head and mounted my binoc there. I did this to get the other axes of movement and it was prior to receiving my binoculars. I actually have pictures of that posted somewhere on this site. I will try to find it and provide a link to that here.
Randy
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lalana
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Cheers Randy + should be interesting to see your pictures!! I'm just going to calm down for a day or two and think of all my options first before acting! My Bino's,I've been told, are good-quality + will give me much to views/study for years to come so I'm not worried about waiting a bit and spending the extra $$$ to get the right solution
I'm also glad + will NOT TRY to squeeze this large L-Bracket into my bino's anymore,for as you can see from the 2nd picture in my post,it has begun to mark/indent the rubber on them....I suppose this could be seen as only aesthetic damage,but I don't like marking my nice new bino;s like this
ALL THE BEST,
DAVID........
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David,
I am so sorry. I completely forgot I have the Orion #07589 adapter which is what you need, or something similar. I see it is mentioned above so this is no news for you. Here is what I did though:
You could make one out of a hunk of metal and a 1/4-20 bolt (stainless steel) from the hardware store and a drill (and you wouldn't need the head at all).
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Meade StarFinder 10" F/4.7 Dob, Telrad, Craford, Fans
Bogen 3040 and 3050 Tripods with Orion Paragon-Plus Parallelogram or 3047 head
Oberwerk Mariner 7x50
Pentax PCF WP 8x40
Garrett Optical Gemini 15x70 WP-IF
Laptop running Kubuntu and Stellarium 0.9.1
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