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Darren
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Observing Log 11/21/03 new
      #23198 - 11/25/03 05:26 PM

Observing Report 11/21/03
Equipment: Heep ('umble 4.5" DS Newtonian on EQ mount, 900mm, f/8)
Eyepieces: 20mm, 10mm, 6.7mm Meade Plossls
Location: Goodwood, Ont. (approx. 44n, 79w)
Time: 0230 - 0730 UT
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The York Simcoe Amateur Astronomers observing session was at a farm owned by one of the members. There were seven of us altogether, although there were only five scopes. Two were Meade 8" SCT's on fork mounts, one a Megrez-80 on a simple camera tripod, an 8" Orion dob, and 'umble Heep. A new member, also was on hand with his 10x50 bino's. He had wisely decided to defer the purchase of a scope until after having done some comparative observing.

My planned target list included some pretty obscure and challenging objects, at least for a 4.5" scope: I wanted to get NGC 7331 before Pegasus disappeared for the year; also M74 and M77, both of which, I've heard, are pretty faint. Also wanted to try for M76. M74 and M77 are getting close to the western horizon by 9:00 PM local (0200 UT), and M76 is pretty near the zenith by that time. I have trouble viewing near the zenith, it gets difficult to point the scope.

So much for plans: intermittent high clouds hampered the viewing; was forced to view between the holes. Besides, by the time I got there, Pisces and Cetus were already speeding towards the western horizon, and the clouds didn't clear out until 0400 or so.

So most of my targets were in the south and east this night. I wasn't complaining; there are so many beautiful objects in winter. I started with M37 in Auriga. What a gorgeous sight from a dark location! I had seen it from my light-strewn front yard, but it look like little more than a smudge. Here, I was able to discern at least two dozen stars in a hazy background; almost like a miniature M11.

Saturn was my next stop ... I showed it to Jamie (the new member), who had never seen it in a scope before. You can guess his reaction. If your first view of Saturn doesn't blow you away, check your pulse.

Spent much of the evening being struck dumb by M42, which from a dark site is beyond description. (So much so that I forgot to check out M36 and M38.) It nearly filled the EP at 90x, and the hints of colour that had mere suggestions before were clearly discernable, a greenish-turquoise at the centre and a deeper blue along the edges. M42 was particularly stunning using a friend's Meade 6.7 UWA ... it was like looking out a porthole in a spaceship. I could literally get the entire sword in the EP. I gotta get me one of these!

Later in the evening, I used a buddy's 32mm to hit the Pleiades, always a beautiful sight. (Gotta get me one of these, too!) Used the same EP to good effect on M35, which is another of my favourite clusters. But I still couldn't locate NGC2158, its small companion. Had made plans to view the Clown Face nebula in Gemini ... It's supposed to be the brightest planetary out there ... but forgot. The clouds began to roll in again by 0600, so I didn't get more than three hours at the eyepiece. I might have remembered if I'd stayed up longer.

Later in the evening, I wanted to check out M33, but again, couldn't locate it. But I did locate the cluster Messier forgot: NGC 752. What a gem in a low-power EP. Dozens of stars resolved. Easily the equal of M35. By this time Sirius was high in the southeast, so I made an attempt at M41, which I had tried to find last winter from my front yard, but couldn't. This time I just pointed the scope about 5 degrees due south of Sirius, and there it was ... quite a bright cluster, showing about three dozen fairly bright stars in a loose configuration.

But the highlight of the evening was M1. Had tried to find it last April; no luck. This time I used the method suggested in Turn Left; lined up Zeta Tauri at the top right corner of the finder, and it was sitting in the middle of the EP, an elongated, shapeless glow. Not much to look at, but so far, the only supernova remnant I've seen.

Now, I just hope it doesn't take a year to find M2 ...

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Darren


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Charles
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Re: Observing Log 11/21/03 new [Re: Darren]
      #23259 - 11/25/03 08:33 PM

Great report Darren, I just posted a picture of M77 and other galaxies I took last night in the photo gallery. I counted five galaxies in the photo.

Charles


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Re: Observing Log 11/21/03 new [Re: Charles]
      #23291 - 11/25/03 11:32 PM

Darren,
Thanks for the report. I needed a fix! I haven't seen the night sky in a while. I keep forgetting to check out M1. I get sidetracked with waiting for Orion this time of year. Did you freeze your hind end off out there? Winter in Ontario, BRRRR!

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Darren
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Re: Observing Log 11/21/03 new [Re: Echo]
      #23372 - 11/26/03 10:29 AM

Hi Guys, and thanks for your comments. Yes, it was a good night. And after the miserable weather we've been getting, it was certainly welcome. I'm getting, on average, one good night out of every ten. Been that way since the middle of October.

Charles: Nice shot of the M77 region. I could only make out four galaxies, and a couple of them were pretty tough. M77 itself though, looks like there are a couple of satellite galaxies or maybe globulars, on the northern and western tips of the spiral arms. They could be faint local stars superimposed on the galaxy in the background, but I don't think so. They look too nebulous.

Echo: Yeah, it was far from warm, that's for sure. But I was prepared. I had a parka, a heavy sweater, long johns and two pairs of socks. So I didn't really start to notice the cold until later on. And frankly, it'd have to get an awful lot colder to stop me from getting out on a good, clear night, since they've been scarcer than a hen's teeth around these parts.

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Darren


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Re: Observing Log 11/21/03 new [Re: Darren]
      #23691 - 11/27/03 06:58 PM

Darren, look at the fullsize instead of the medium loaded by default. there're at least 6 galaxies, with a few other smudges that're maybes.

on the full size they're at: 380,280 30,950 390,1130 1675,315 1085,870 1375,875

my maybe's are: 730,115 288,617 1327,364 1511,212


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Re: Observing Log 11/21/03 new [Re: ]
      #23693 - 11/27/03 07:23 PM

Hmmm wish I'd bookmarked the URL of the webstarchart I came across that included the PGC catalog. With just the NGC/IC catalogs I can only ID 3 in the field.

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Darren
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Re: Observing Log 11/21/03 new [Re: ]
      #23819 - 11/28/03 11:52 AM

You know what, Dan ... I did look at the full-size image when I posted originally, and still couldn't detect more than four definite galaxies ... maybe I wasn't looking carefully enough, or my eyes aren't as good as I thought they were!

But if Charles says there's five, that's good enough for me. It would be nice to have a powerful instrument with good light grasp (say a 12" or better Dob with really good optics) so I could see clusters of galaxies like this ... my 4.5" Newt can get the brightest ones. Probably only M77 would be visible in my scope.

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Darren

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Darren
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Re: Observing Log 11/21/03 new [Re: Darren]
      #23824 - 11/28/03 12:00 PM

BTW Dan, how do you find using a fast (f/5) 6" Newt? I have heard that they need to be collimated frequently and suffer from chromatic abberations or coma (or something) more than long-focus 'scopes, and they're good for wide-field views and astrophotography, but not as good as long-focus 'scopes for visual use. You can get pretty good deals on short-tube EQ-mounted 5" and 6" Newts, and I've been thinking of maybe purchasing one. What's your experience?

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Darren


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Re: Observing Log 11/21/03 [Re: Darren]
      #23884 - 11/28/03 02:48 PM

It's my only scope, so I don't have a good baseline for comparison. That being said, I haven't noticed anything objectionable along the edge of field. It'd be coma, a cometlike smearing outward of light. Chromatic aberations are caused by an acro refractor not being able to bring all frequencies of light into a common focus.

As for colimation I've just been doing what I can with a homemade sight tube and included pinhole cap. I think I've got it fairly good, but foul weather's precluded my taking it to a star party to have someone who knows what they're doing take a look. I haven't checked to see how closely it holds. Since I observe from the backyard it's not subject to being rattled in a car between uses, and I just avoid whacking anything with it while carrying it to/from the house. If I ever get annother clear night (maybe 2nd half of the coming week) I'll do annother startest to see. the cap's not accurate enough to do final colimation with.


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