Dennis Sakva
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What do you think about this one? Similar to AHY8 but different body?
http://www.telescope.com/control/product/~category_id=astro-imaging_camera/~pcategory=astro-imaging/~product_id=52084
Edited by Dennis Sakva (05/19/08 11:07 AM)
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David Pavlich
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If this thing takes good images, it's going to set the imaging world on its ear!
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sheesh another
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DugDog
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Today, I was prepared to order the SSII mono, and right before I placed my order I saw this post...needless to say for good or bad...
I ORDERED IT! 
They told me its on backorder until the end of June. It will ship on June 30.
Of course, I know what will happen...the Mono version will appear tomorrow. 
DD
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Nocturnal
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Wow, excellent deal! Bummer it'll only work with Maxim. With the sensor being relatively cheap even if you buy a Nikon D50 body and throw everything but the chip away it was only a matter of time before someone decided the control electronics and case don't have to cost more than a few hundred $ to make. I assume this cooler is unregulated just like the QHY-8. There's really no need to regulate it anyway.
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yg1968
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The specs say that the camera is made in Canada. I wonder who makes it. Boy this is tempting. I saved my money for an Atlas mount. I have to get the Atlas first.
Meade better come up with something fast.
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kempo
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This is absolutely amazing! I was thinking of saving for the QHY8 this summer but it looks like Orion just blew that idea out of the water by $700. I hope this causes other companies to put up some competition with similar deals.
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ScottD
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DD, have you checked some of the other vendors that stock Orion equipment?
I had the same problem when I ordered my Orion autoguider about a month ago. Orion, OPT and others were showing it on back order. I lucked up with Skies Unlimited and got the last one they had.
Sometimes I guess it can pay off to check around.
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Rick J
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I can't say I'm impressed by the photos they show taken with it. A friend's QHY8 certainly caught a lot more photons on M101 in one hour than their shot in two did. Heck I caught far more on film in 2 hours at that image scale. Might be processing or a very small scope, no way to know.
How do they calculate it is a 1.8" format CCD? I get only 1.1" diagonal measurement. Even my STL-11K is only 1.72" diagonally and its a much larger chip.
I'm looking for an inexpensive large chip camera for a wide field SN/asteroid/comet hunting setup I'm putting together though mono is preferred for that. Still the price is right. I await more images.
Rick
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Ozy
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I just heard from a reliable source that the Orion camera is a relabeled QHY.
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DaemonGPF
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WOW! Thanks for posting this. I might wait around to see results from people who pioneer this new camera, but man, 6.1 Mpx for $1300... might me feel silly for buying my DSI II. This may be my next toy.
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skyler
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I can't believe the timing of this since I was just getting ready to pick up a QHY8.
I just hope Craig will support it with Neb. That could be a factor for me but... NSN.
S
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DugDog
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No, I didn't check around, I just went for the camera at the same place.
Well, because I went for the whole enchilada!
I bought the EON 120ED, and the Atlas EQ-G.
Along with a few other accessories…including the AutoGuider, and 80MM Guide Scope.
I had to tell the wife a little white lie about the cost. 
But I am so excited I can hardly sit and type!
DD
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Ozy
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Note that anyone interested in using this on a C8 Hyperstar that it will NOT work. The measured diameter is almost 6". Considerably larger than the older one. For a C8, this would result in too much light blockage. It would, however, work on a C11 or C14 hyperstar without issue.
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ccs_hello
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Most likely the same CCD (ICX453AQ) used and almost the same unit as QHY8.
Competition (even if it may come from the same mfg) is good  .
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Strgazr27
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I posted this over on the DSLR side of things also.
2 things pop into mind with this. Orion is notoriously stingy with drivers and support. I hope that Crag S. and/or others can open up the control software options.
I question if it can cool as deeply as the QHY can based on it's shape, fin surface area and the small size of the fan.
It's a definite option but my breathe is heavily baited till we see some more proof of use.
CS's
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jgraham
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Pretty spiffy. It's neat to watch how the technology continues to advance.
Now, I wonder when they're going to come out with an RC imaging StarBlast for their new camera! 
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Richard Scott
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Quote:
Of course, I know what will happen...the Mono version will appear tomorrow.
DD
This what I am looking for, a big mono chip at a price I can stay married with. I like the Original SSDSI, and it is good to see Orion keep raising the bar.
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skyler
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Quote:
I posted this over on the DSLR side of things also.
2 things pop into mind with this. Orion is notoriously stingy with drivers and support. I hope that Crag S. and/or others can open up the control software options.
I question if it can cool as deeply as the QHY can based on it's shape, fin surface area and the small size of the fan.
It's a definite option but my breathe is heavily baited till we see some more proof of use.
CS's
This makes me wonder, has there ever been support from Craig on the SS series? I don't think I have seen it but I am not sure. Is Nebulosity supporting those cams? If not, then I guess I know the answer.
Has anyone used the full Cyanogen product for these cams or does the lite version that is "owned" by Orion the only option? I think I recall that Orion was given the lite version and also that meant their (Orion) support only.
Anyone know?
Thanks,
S
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Joe G
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My CCD Labs Q453 uses the Sony ICX453AQ chip. I believe the current Starlight Xpress and QHY8 cameras do as well. It seems from Orion's website that their new camera uses the older Sony ICX413AQ chip.
Not sure if there is much of a difference?
Competition is good.
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ccs_hello
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Joe,
Per its website description, it is also the progressive mode, which is ICX453AQ ('413 is interlaced).
It is type-1.8" which is the industry common way describing the size of imager "for the lens image circle coverage", not true diagonal size of 1.8".
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Joe G
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Thanks CCS. I googled it trying to find the difference and basically they are the same except as you noted. I wonder why the Orion site says "progressive scan imaging," but then on the Product Specs page refers to the 413.
Maybe a typo. Is it correct that you can only have electronic shutters with a progressive scan chip?
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skyler
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Is the Sony ICX413AQ the chip from the Nikon D70?
S
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ccs_hello
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See my earlier CN post.
D100: ICX413AQ (interline interlaced)
D70, 70s, 50, 40: ICX453AQ (interline progressive)
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skyward_eyes
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I was very interested in this camera but then found out that its near 6" diameter would kill my C-8 Hyperstar system so its back to the QHY8!
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DugDog
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Yesterday when I ordered this camera it was listed on Orion's main "Astro-Imaging" page here:
http://www.telescope.com/control/category/~category_id=astro-imaging_camera/~pcategory=astro-imaging
Today, the link to the "StarShoot Pro Deep Space CCD Color Imaging Camera" is missing!
Dennis' link he posted originally is still active:
http://www.telescope.com/control/product/~category_id=astro-imaging_camera/~pcategory=astro-imaging/~product_id=52084
I wonder why Orion is trying to hide this now? Did someone let the cat out of the bag too soon? 
Interesting.
DD
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skyward_eyes
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I am sure they are just re figuring the website for it.
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jgraham
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I was out looking at DSLRs today and one thing that struck me is that once you're looking in the $1,000-$1,500 range you have a lot of options. For example $900 will get you a Rebel XSi kit (body plus lens) with 14 bit data and 12 Mp plus some other nice features.
What a neat time to be an amateur astronomer.
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Keith
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the only bummer with these chips, is that the RGB bayer matrix has 2x the sensitivity to sodium light pollution, than it does to HA... the kodak color chips set the minimum gap in the sodium line an th HA is closer to the peak of the red pixels, similar to the RGB filters used in mono systems.
Still looks tempting for the price.
Keith
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Strgazr27
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Keith,
Welcome! Nice to see you here! My question is based on the charts Here and one for the Kodak chip Here . The QHY8 chart uses 1 as 60% efficient. As an info freak, where are the differences? I can see the almost 2X efficiency in the green but I also see an almost 2x better efficiency in the red for the Sony chip. Granted this comparison is for the QHY not the Orion but depending on what you read they may or may not share the same chip. Orion notes the 413 chip where the 8 uses the 435 chip. I used the ST11K as it seemed as close as match to the 8 with a Kodak chip. I might be wrong with this though. Like I said I'm learning all of this on the fly so any help is appreciated !
CS's
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Vixen R200SS
Orion ED-80
AT-111
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QHY-8
SSAG
YAHOO TMB 130SS Group
Edited by Strgazr27 (05/18/08 08:53 AM)
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ccs_hello
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ICX413AQ (interline interlaced)
ICX453AQ (interline progressive)
If Orion's is progressive mode, then it is '453.
Orion rep will know the fact soon.
Officially, '453 is a "factory" number reserved to be used by "N" thus it is a private label. A more fuzzier way to descibe it is to call it '413-like.
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