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Large binoculars for distant terrestrial objects new
      #11656 - 09/24/03 05:17 PM

Do the critical specs/features to look for when buying large binoculars change when the dominant usage will be distant terrestrial viewing, or do the same factors apply as for astronomical observing?

I am now fortunate to have a marine and mountain view from my house. Orcas 1/4 mile offshore, Paul Allen's yacht and aircraft carriers (not that much different in size) 5 to 40 miles out, and mountain peaks 60 miles away; all waiting to be observed more closely.

I've learned from your extremely informative reviews that I will need a wide fov, center focusing, long eye relief for my glasses, and a sturdy tripod mount. My budget caps at around $300, but if a binocular exists that will satisfy my needs for $75 I'd find good use for the extra $225.

Unless you advise me otherwise, I've narrowed the search down to 5 binoculars in 2 size/price ranges. First, either 15x70 Celestron Skymasters or 15x70 Oberwerks (is there $75 worth of difference between them for my application?). Second, larger 100mm Apogees, Skymasters, or APMs (would terrestrial use favor one of these brands over the others?)

I can't afford to make a big mistake, so your assistance would be appreciated. I don't suppose any of you have an extra pair of the above you might part with?


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Re: Large binoculars for distant terrestrial objects new [Re: ]
      #11769 - 09/25/03 04:50 PM

Doc ,

Your "appeal" for advice caught my attention because your proposed viewing "desires" are not unlike those that I enjoy most -- i.e medium to long range terrestrial /shoreline viewing .

I've been privately searching for this "holy grail" for getting on 40 years now , since I was bought a 35x60 spotting scope for my 13th birthday in fact !

My advice is several fold and hard to squeeze down into an answer of few words but I'll try :

1. Quality is more important than SIZE , but costs much more money than you are currently prepared to pay.

2. You need not ONE but TWO instruments , a binocular in the 8x to 15x range with as wide a field as possible and a spotting scope with built -in correct image with a zoom lens ranging from 20x to 75x.

3.15x70 20x80 and even 25x100 binos will NOT give you sufficient power to provide you with a "wow" factor when looking at objects 60 miles away. The mighty Fujinon 40 x150mm beasties MIGHT indeed probably WOULD--but they cost around £10,000 UK !

4. This may sound a strange piece of advice after saying what I've just said , but if I had to settle for just $300 worth of any of my equipment for YOUR proposed usage, I would settle for my Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50 binos with 7 degree TFOV. The relative brightness , wider field of view , ease of use and steady image makes the experience of using them so much more enjoyable than my 15 x 70s.

Then start saving for a Zeiss 85mm diascope with 20-60s zoom lens !

Hope this helps .--Kindest regards - Kenny .

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Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera


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Re: Large binoculars for distant terrestrial objects new [Re: KennyJ]
      #11882 - 09/26/03 03:26 PM

Dear Kenny,

Your detailed comments and advice are appreciated. Sometimes reality is difficult to face.

Thanks, DocS


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Re: Large binoculars for distant terrestrial objects new [Re: ]
      #11923 - 09/26/03 11:34 PM

Doc,
Your situation and binocular needs sound similar to my own. Though I am far from any ocean, I live quite close to the fabulous Beartooth Mountains of southern Montana. I needed binoculars to view these mountains and the expansive foothills leading up to them. I went to Oberwerk.com and ordered the 15x70 Oberwerks, the cheaper Manfrotto tripod, and the large adaptor. With shipping, the setup cost only a little over $300. I could not be happier with my purchase. I get great looks at the mountains about 25 miles away, and I have been amazed at the details in distant hills.


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Re: Large binoculars for distant terrestrial objects new [Re: ]
      #11926 - 09/26/03 11:45 PM

Doc,
The "3-dimensional" effect of using binoculars as opposed to a scope seems to make for more enjoyable viewing. Atmospheric conditions will make high magnifications unusable on many days, too. I thought about saving up bigger money to get a German spotting scope, but I have not regretted my decision. The other day I watched a herd of cows in some hills that my map later showed to be at least 10 miles away. Unbelievable! Good luck on your choice.
Mkelley


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Re: Large binoculars for distant terrestrial objects new [Re: ]
      #11950 - 09/27/03 03:52 AM

I would have thought that the 20x80 standard Oberwerk's should be on your list. They are scaled up 15x70's and would perhaps be better if you intend to mostly tripod view. The 15x70's are great if you want to take them around with you and are hand holdable/monopod friendly.

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Re: Large binoculars for distant terrestrial objects new [Re: ]
      #11952 - 09/27/03 04:11 AM

If you have a place for a fixed set -up then 20 x 80s on a tripod might do a job for you ,--the newish light weight model sounds a good bargain - but in spite of what others have said , DON'T get hold of a Zeiss diascope with their new wide -field zoom JUST to take a quick look --you will not want to go back to 20x as your maximum power :-)

Zooming in and out with these super lenses without ever getting that "tunnel vision " or lack of brightness feeling you get with every other zoom I've tried is the greatest fun of all.

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Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera


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Re: Large binoculars for distant terrestrial objects new [Re: KennyJ]
      #11994 - 09/27/03 04:12 PM

A way to have your cake and eat (at a price !) would be to look at astromeccanica's binocular telescopes. These lovely Italian enthusiasts bolt good quality refracting telescopes together , add a patented eyepiece assembly and you then have "binoculars" which will take as good eyepieces as you can afford to put in them and give you any magnification you like up to 200x plus. No problems having to screw one eye up !

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Re: Large binoculars for distant terrestrial objects new [Re: ]
      #11998 - 09/27/03 05:00 PM

Man! I'll bet that would be quite a view with those babies!

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Re: Large binoculars for distant terrestrial objects new [Re: ]
      #23078 - 11/25/03 12:18 AM

Hey Doc, here's what I would do. Go to www.heartlandamerica.com and get the Barska 15x70 binoculars for only $60!! Then get a nice 90mm spotting scope for around $200-$250. You're set!

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      #23197 - 11/25/03 05:22 PM

I,ve just puchased the Oberwerk 20x90s and they are brilliant for terrestial stuff. I reckon they're good value for the money as well.

Regards Alfie


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Re: Large binoculars for distant terrestrial objects new [Re: ]
      #23732 - 11/27/03 10:51 PM

Well, Doc, there are some interesting observations here....one thing to consider tho'...you mentioned looking across considerable expanses of land & water. In the daytime, frequently there is considerable heating or cooling of the air (what the meteorologists call heating-degree or cooling-degree minutes). This in turn causes thermal activity, which causes the kind of shimmering "funhouse effect" to the image that you see in the movies when a scene is filmed in the desert...the higher the magnification, the more pronounced it is. I currently have 4 hi-end binos and a premium scope and do a lot of birding by local lakes. I find that very seldom can I use the really hi-power eyepieces on the scope and often even the stronger binos don't work as well as the lower powered ones when there is several degrees difference between the air temp and that of the water surface, or between air temp at ground level and just up a few meters. Air has to very stable to have good seeing conditions if you're talking about looking at something much over 2-3 miles away and seeing it to best advantage. I can only use the highest power eyepiece on my scope (48x) very seldom and get the kind of image it's capable of producing...usually the lowest pwr ep (24x) will give a cleaner, more usable view with just as much detail, just a smaller image. This is one of the problems of terrestrial viewing vs cosmological....when stargazing you're looking thru much less dense air which isnt as susceptible to thermal currents, tho' there can be some. Now, having said that, your first-mentioned choices of a Celestron or Oberwerk 15x70 are really close to the mark. Haven't had a chance to try the Obie, but can tell you 1st hand that the Skymaster is one the absolute steals in hi-pwr optics out there. A friend just got one from Christopher's (Astronomics) and we gave it the acid test against the other stuff we had on hand, and it aquits itself very well, indeed....and for $89! The afov is 66*, which gives a true picture-window image, has enough eye relief with the cups down to use glasses with no vignetting, and with the supplied tripod adaptor on a good mount, will resolve car tags across a vacant field in a parking lot at a measured distance of almost 530 meters..about 1/3 of a mile. It's certainly not perfect (has a little field curvature and mild edge softness) but for the $, it's untouchable in that end of the bino power spectrum. Based on my experience with the Oberwerk 20x80, I doubt their 15x70 will perform as well as the Celestron but I could be mistaken. All in all, I think
you'd be very satisfied with the Celestron, plus wd have enuf left over out of yr $300 limit for a good 7-8x wide field glass (a B&L 8x40 Legacy or similar) to really give you viewing versatility. Later, if you find that in yr area the atmospheric thermal actvity isn't all that severe, you cd get a good scope and still not have a small fortune invested (you can get a very good one with a couple of fine ep's for around $750-800). My several cts worth, based on a lotta years of viewing thru a lot of glass...hope this will be useful in yr decision.


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Re: Large binoculars for distant terrestrial objects new [Re: ]
      #23767 - 11/28/03 02:42 AM

Wise word from Spyglass !

Agreed totally --but when the conditions ARE favourable isn't that high power ( 35x -60x ) something ELSE ?

Clear skies --Kenny.

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Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera


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Re: Large binoculars for distant terrestrial objects [Re: KennyJ]
      #24108 - 11/29/03 03:14 PM

Doc,
Whatever you get, make sure you get a tripod to hold 'em. it makes all the difference.

Good viewing, Roy


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