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Mihai
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Binocular Astronomy, Second Edition
      #2418519 - 05/25/08 11:59 AM

I went to WillBell site today to order my first binocular book "Binocular Astronomy" by Crossen and Tirion,and I just noticed that they intend to release a second edition of the book.What shold I do?..whait till 30 June,or order now?..Will the second edition be just a cosmetic change of the first one?...Thanks

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Re: Binocular Astronomy, Second Edition new [Re: Mihai]
      #2418535 - 05/25/08 12:07 PM

This is good news indeed.

The page count increases from 184 (1st edition) to 224 (2nd edition)--that's an increase of 40 pages (21.7%).

Maybe we will hear more about ancient constellations and star names--the research which took author Craig Crossen to Vienna, according to the back cover of the 1st edition.

And the big question--
    What binocular models will be recommended in the text?


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Wes James
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Re: Binocular Astronomy, Second Edition new [Re: BobinKy]
      #2418680 - 05/25/08 01:31 PM

Whoooo, boy- another book! Placed my name on the wait list for it...

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Mihai
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Re: Binocular Astronomy, Second Edition new [Re: Mihai]
      #2418915 - 05/25/08 03:48 PM

Mister Tirion was kind enough to reply to an email I have wroted to him:

"Binocular Astronomy is not a book I have written. I only did the
illustrations. Craig Crossen is the writer.
For the second edition all the star maps have been re-done on the
computer. I know that there are changes in the text, but I do not know
exactly how different the text is from the first edition. You better
aks the publisher,Willmann-Bell (Richmond Virginia, USA).

Best wishes,

Wil Tirion"


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Re: Binocular Astronomy, Second Edition new [Re: Mihai]
      #2420106 - 05/26/08 05:59 AM

Thanks for the info, I love this book (the first edition)it's totally responsible for me falling back into astronomy after many years when I took it to crete with some 15 x 70's.

I don't think that owning both will do any damage at all!

G

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Re: Binocular Astronomy, Second Edition new [Re: SkyG]
      #2420129 - 05/26/08 06:27 AM

.....wait ...or order now?

I would suggest waiting-the 2nd addition should be better or at least more up to day AND the first edition should also be cheaper (or maybe the 2nd will be more expensive).

this is the most extensive binocular telescope book that I know

edj

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Re: Binocular Astronomy, Second Edition new [Re: edwincjones]
      #2422751 - 05/27/08 02:35 PM


I bought the 1st edition a few years ago and it blew the doors of binocular observing wide open for me. Before, I used to just half-hazzardly scan the sky but with its wealth of info on bino objects, the book was awesome. Looking forward to the 2nd edition. Mr Q

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Re: Binocular Astronomy, Second Edition new [Re: Mr Q]
      #2422776 - 05/27/08 02:52 PM

FYI,

this is a re-release of the first Binocular Astronomy. What specific edits or updated information it will contain I cannot say. (Stephen Tokin's book released Nov 2006 by Springer Verlag, London, is also called Binocular Astronomy, adding to some confusion).

The edits for the second edition were completed several years ago. Craig states; "Its text has been updated (badly needed: I wrote much of the book in the mid-1980s) and expanded (more objects; and more on constellation history); there are more photos by Robert Reeves; and Wil has made more charts for it....The observing I did for those two books (Binocular Astronomy and Sky Vistas) are among the most pleasant experiences of my life, and it's nice to know that my books are giving readers the same pleasure in discovery that I felt.
Yours gratefully,
Craig Crossen"

However, I'm a bit confused over this release. I've been having discussions for about a year now with Craig Crossen, the author of the original Binocular Astronomy by Crossen and Tirion. Based on some of those discussions, I'm not sure this release by Wilmann Bell is the authorized release of the second edition edits of this book. Unless there are some developments that I am not aware of, (and that may very well be the case, our last correspondence was some time ago), I would think this would not be the authorized version.

I've emailed Craig to see if I can clear up any confusion.


edz


Quote:

What binocular models will be recommended in the text?



AFAIK, Craig doesn't make binocular model recommendations. He may however include some binocular size recommendations.

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Re: Binocular Astronomy, Second Edition new [Re: EdZ]
      #2423423 - 05/27/08 07:43 PM

As fate would have it I ordered this book from the publisher May 19th and received it the May 23rd. (You can laugh.) I could not believe I had just missed the new edition announcement. I was ready to ship it back today and called Willmann-Bell to see if they would accept a return. Mr. Willmann answered the phone and talked to me at length about the changes in this book. He could not have been nicer. He told me that they decided to print a new edition because they were running low on copies. Rather than reprint the old edition, he asked the author (Crossen) to review the content for improvements. He said he also gave him a very heavy, large aperture WWII warship binoculars. Much of the new information centers around use of those binoculars. The cover and some of the pictures have been changed, but essentially the content of the book is the same. They decided not to do a major overhaul of the book since it has received such good reviews. They were fearful that a major re-write could ruin it.

He would have been happy for me to return the book, but his personal opinion was that I would not have any advantages with the new edition. He promised me that if I looked at the new edition and was sorry I had not returned mine, he would take it any time in the future and make the exchange. So, I'm taking him at his word and keeping the one I have.

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Re: Binocular Astronomy, Second Edition new [Re: rookie]
      #2423604 - 05/27/08 09:23 PM

"a very heavy, large aperture WW11 warship binoculars"



like my 25x150 fujis? --this is reason enough for me to get the 2nd addition to add to my 1st edition copy.

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Re: Binocular Astronomy, Second Edition new [Re: rookie]
      #2424087 - 05/28/08 06:51 AM

Quote:

As fate would have it I ordered this book from the publisher May 19th and received it the May 23rd. (You can laugh.) I could not believe I had just missed the new edition announcement. I was ready to ship it back today and called Willmann-Bell to see if they would accept a return. Mr. Willmann answered the phone and talked to me at length about the changes in this book. He could not have been nicer. He told me that they decided to print a new edition because they were running low on copies. Rather than reprint the old edition, he asked the author (Crossen) to review the content for improvements. He said he also gave him a very heavy, large aperture WWII warship binoculars. Much of the new information centers around use of those binoculars. The cover and some of the pictures have been changed, but essentially the content of the book is the same. They decided not to do a major overhaul of the book since it has received such good reviews. They were fearful that a major re-write could ruin it.

He would have been happy for me to return the book, but his personal opinion was that I would not have any advantages with the new edition. He promised me that if I looked at the new edition and was sorry I had not returned mine, he would take it any time in the future and make the exchange. So, I'm taking him at his word and keeping the one I have.




This information seems to conflict with what I've been told by the author.

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Re: Binocular Astronomy, Second Edition new [Re: EdZ]
      #2424351 - 05/28/08 10:32 AM

I've just received a correspondence from the original author Craig Crossen.
I will limit information provided here until I get full permission for discussion, but I can tell you this,

this is not an original author authorized publication of a second edition of this book.

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Re: Binocular Astronomy, Second Edition new [Re: EdZ]
      #2425133 - 05/28/08 04:53 PM

Quote:

I've just received a correspondence from the original author Craig Crossen.
I will limit information provided here until I get full permission for discussion, but I can tell you this,

this is not an original author authorized publication of a second edition of this book.

edz





this raises a lot of questions. hope that you get permission for a more detailed followup.

edj

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Re: Binocular Astronomy, Second Edition new [Re: EdZ]
      #2425199 - 05/28/08 05:24 PM

Quote:

this is not an original author authorized publication of a second edition of this book.

edz




Thanks for the word... was enough for me to write and cancel my "pre-order" on the book until we hear more.
Wes


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Re: Binocular Astronomy, Second Edition new [Re: Wes James]
      #2437160 - 06/03/08 12:49 PM

I have received extensive correspondence from the original author, Craig Crossen. At the risk of not getting all the facts precisely as they may have occured, I will be brief in what I will say on this topic.

Binocular Astronomy had been considered for a rewrite for nearly a decade. Quite a few years ago (early 2000s), several manuscripts, some pertaining to this book, were delivered. However, for much of the last several years there has been some disputes over materials, editing, royalties and contracts.

The status for much of the last several years has been such that there does not appear to be an amicable agreement between author and publisher. Several manuscripts, not only for this book update, but also for other work, tip in the balance. With no contract agreement to publish the manuscripts or without any arrangement to return them to the author, it would seem there are a few issues at stake.

It may be possible the publisher is employing a third party to facilitate the update of this book. I cannot know for certain. The original author is currently not engaged in updating this book, nor has he been in the last several years. There is also a question of whether or not any other author was willing to engage in re-writing someone else's work. So it is indeed possible, if the publisher does release this so-called second edition, it may be based on update manuscripts provided by the original author quite a number of years ago or it may be rewritten by someone else.

As to the remark about the large Russian binoculars. Craig did receive from Perry Remaklus (Willmann-Bell) a large pair of 15x100 Russian binoculars. He received those binoculars in 1998-99, and by his recollection, there was no agreement to use observations from those binoculars as material for a book.

Craig Crossen does not have a current agreement with the publisher, Willmann-Bell, to release a second edition of Binocular Astronomy.

If you enjoy Craig Crossen's work, search out his most recent book that we have discussed here on this forum over the past year. You will find it an excellent read.
"Sky Vistas: Astronomy for Binoculars and Richest-Field Telescopes" by Craig Crossen and Gerald Rhemann. Springer-Verlag/Wien, New York; 1st edition (January 27, 2004), printed in Austria.

Craig is currently working on a book about the ancient Babylonian constellations. He has also begun work on a book about the Milky Way.

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Re: Binocular Astronomy, Second Edition new [Re: EdZ]
      #2437231 - 06/03/08 01:34 PM

Is it legal for another author to come along and update someone elses work without the original author's express permission??? I would think (unless copyright privelages have run out) that would be a case for a lawsuit.
Wes


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Re: Binocular Astronomy, Second Edition new [Re: Wes James]
      #2437236 - 06/03/08 01:37 PM

I won't even speculate.

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Re: Binocular Astronomy, Second Edition new [Re: EdZ]
      #2437522 - 06/03/08 03:50 PM

Thank you for this update and clarification , Ed.

In addition to being an outstanding writer , with a tremendous knowledge of astronomy ,the author Craig Crossen comes across as being a most honest , honourable and likeable gentleman .

I sincerely hope that readers choose to buy publications written and authorised by the man himself , rather than any publication of spurious origin .

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Re: Binocular Astronomy, Second Edition new [Re: KennyJ]
      #2437589 - 06/03/08 04:19 PM

Kenny-
I agree with you 100%. I don't believe in supporting anything in any form that has any semblence of infringement of the originators rights.
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Re: Binocular Astronomy, Second Edition new [Re: Wes James]
      #2438147 - 06/03/08 08:51 PM

I guess that I can put up my credit card for now-and wait for the 2nd edition to appear at the local bookstore to decide.

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