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Crossen
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Re: Binocular Astronomy, Second Edition new [Re: Joe Ogiba]
      #2592635 - 08/20/08 10:07 AM

Joe,
That's a great photo. Thanks. You placed the binocs just right to obscure how bad that cover really looks. I've always been a little ashamed of the cover (even though I had nothing to do with designing it beyond suggesting that they use the summer Milky Way). It makes the book look so--well--junior high school. And I have indeed seen many criticisms, here on CN and elsewhere, of the look of the cover.
Having said that, however, I will add that I think Willmann-Bell did do a good job in every other aspect on the original Binocular Astronomy. My problems with them did not begin until 1999.
Thanks again.

Craig Crossen


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Re: Binocular Astronomy, Second Edition new [Re: Crossen]
      #2592948 - 08/20/08 12:43 PM

Hi all,

I'd also like to add my thanks to the praise for Craig's original Binocular Astronomy book. It's a marvellous book and meticulously researched.

I also purchased the 2nd edition recently and have been following the comments about the new release closely. A couple of nights ago I decided to briefly check the 1st/2nd editions to see what was different.

Well, for starters the page numbers in the index of the 2nd edition are wrong and seem to be out of step by 2 pages with what page a topic is actually on. Annoying more than anything else.

I checked the sub-topic on the Coma-Virgo cluster and found that it was mostly word-for-word the same as the first edition. The section was extended slightly in the 2nd edition to briefly mention the fact that the Coma-Virgo galaxies described were larger blurs of light in giant binoculars.

I also had a look at the entry on M22 and it was little-changed from the 1st edition. I would have thought the person rewriting the book in place of Craig would have at least extended the description of this globular in giant instruments a bit more.

I won't say what I read was disappointing, more that it was a cop out on the part of the publisher to claim the book described how objects looked in larger binoculars, yet in reality statements were inserted that did nothing to enhance an already excellent 1st edition.

Just my 2 cents worth,

John


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Re: Binocular Astronomy, Second Edition new [Re: John Flannery]
      #2593704 - 08/20/08 06:15 PM

I too was disappointed to discover that page numbers referenced in the index didn't match the entry locations.
Very sloppy on the part of the publisher.
This was noticed even before I saw this thread here and discovered problems with the authenticity of the second addition...too bad...the book in an updated second addition looked to be a definite purchase for binocular astronomy fans.

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Gardner

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Re: Binocular Astronomy, Second Edition new [Re: GardnerPacificCA]
      #2602224 - 08/25/08 10:01 AM

I appreciate the report by John Flannery on--what shall we call it?--the pseudo-2nd edition of "Binocular Astronomy." I'm sorry he had to buy to book to report on it. He confirms what I suspected what was true of the book when EdZ contacted me about it last June: it is a hastily produced retread of the original, with little new and much of it badly out-of-date. I wish I could have informed the astronomy public about this book earlier, but of course I couldn't assume that Willmann-Bell would really carry through on their threat to publish a 2nd edition with or without me: I had to wait until they really did.
I hope that all those who are reading this thread and have unknowingly purchased the pseudo-2nd edition of Binoc Astro will send the book back to Willmann-Bell and demand a full refund. You will find the wait for the authorized 2nd edition to have been worth it!

Craig Crossen


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Re: Binocular Astronomy, Second Edition new [Re: Crossen]
      #2656198 - 09/22/08 10:03 AM

I've been thinking over this thread for about a month, and there are a couple points I would like to add to what I said earlier. This discussion does not deal simply with the dispute between an individual author and a single publisher. It involves larger problems which directly affect the quality of the books and magazine articles which are presently available to amateur astronomers.

I think that it would come as a surprise to most amateurs (and in fact to most book-buyers in general) how little control an author has over his or her texts and royalties. An author sends manuscripts to publishers believing, or hoping, that the publishers will not show the text to a rival author. But this is only an act of faith. In my case, I sent the manuscript of a Milky Way book to a publisher (who shall remain nameless: at the moment I have enough troubles with the pseudo-2nd edition of "Binocular Astronomy"), who, without my knowledge and consent, not only showed it to a rival author, but encouraged him to rewrite it! Now, this writer's specialty was computers and telescopes, so, not unexpectedly, he did an awful job on his rewrite of my text. I pointed out all the errors this fellow made to the publisher, but the publisher brushed me off. I appealed to one of the senior astrophysicists at the University of Minnesota, a man who taught Galactic astronomy. He confirmed my criticisms. But the publisher blew him off too, and continued to attempt to force me to be the unpaid editor and corrector for the pirating of my own book.

That particular episode did have something of a happy ending (though it cost me plenty of time): the pirated version, with all its inaccuracies and errors, never made it to the market; and I later adapted much of the text of my Milky Way book for "Sky Vistas." Nevertheless, there are in fact two book-length texts of mine which are illegally in print in America. I don't feel free to reveal where they are printed (as I said, I have enough other problems at the moment); but it further illustrates how little control an author actually has over his or her text. Thus in their turn book purchasers cannot really be one hundred percent sure that the book they are buying is really by the person whose name appears on the front cover or that the stated author has been able to check the printed text for accuracy. I know of at least two major authors--the Assyriologist Samuel Noah Kramer and the biographer Roger Lancelyn Green--whose publishers pushed semi-popular level books into print without giving those authors the chance to check the accuracy of material added by secondary co-authors. Kramer went so far as to publically condemn his publisher for this.

The only power an author has to enforce his or her rights is legal action. But this is the same as to have no power at all, because legal costs are so high. The same applies to royalties. An author signs a contract expecting (or, again, hoping) that the publisher will honor it. But if a publisher unilaterally decides not to honor the contract, few authors have the financial resources to force them to do so. The danger in this situation to buyers and readers is that, if an author's royalties are confiscated by a publisher willing to risk bad publicity, that writer will stop writing.

And basically this is what I have done in astronomy. During the past three years, since the first of my "Binoc Astro" royalty checks was withheld, I have concentrated on the editing and writing of books, articles, and lectures about the ancient and modern Near East. It is not fair to my wife, who works hard for our financial betterment, for me to continue writing texts that will merely line other people's pockets. (My recent article in "Astronomy" was not an exception: I wrote it at the request of my "Sky Vistas" co-author Gerald Rhemann, a man of great honor and integrity.) Moreover, my client list has grown to include the Oriental Institute of the University of Vienna, the Austrian Academy of Sciences, and even a former Austrian Ambassador to Iraq, the journalist Gudrun Harrer. It would be foolish for me to "continue kicking against the pricks" by writing for American publishers when I have such interesting alternative literary work.

Some interest was expressed in this thread about the constellation history book I have been working on. And I have indeed already published some of the results of my researches--but in a scholarly journal, not in, say, "Sky & Telescope," because, given my editing clientele, is in my best interest to publish in the academic, not the popular, press.

"Sky Vistas" itself is another example of what can happen to readers when author's rights are not respected. That book is published by one of the top academic publishers in Europe, Springer-Verlag, Vienna (who have been not merely honest with me, but generous). It is a high-quality, well-produced book that costs a great deal to ship to America. This cost is borne by the American buyer. The text in the book has material nowhere else available: if you really want to be informed about Milky Way astronomy, stellar associations, stellar evolution, and even local galaxy clustering, you need this book. But because the American publisher I had chosen for the original Milky Way book attempted to steal it, I had to publish this material abroad and American amateurs find themselves footing the bill for an American publisher's (actions).

I do hope to complete and publish both the contellation history book and the authentic 2nd edition of "Binocular Astronomy" sometime in the future. But whether or not these books are published in America, or in costly European editions, depends upon the publishing situation in America in the future.

Craig Crossen

Edited by EdZ (09/23/08 05:44 AM)


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Re: Binocular Astronomy, Second Edition new [Re: Crossen]
      #2656334 - 09/22/08 11:33 AM

Hi Craig,

I'd like to thank you for sharing what you've done so far (I'm extremely fond of your binocular astronomy book), but I also need to point out that we've got a policy about keeping disputes off the boards.

We'd appreciate it if you keep your comments astronomy oriented and not air your grievances here.

Thanks

Tom T.
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BobinKy
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Re: Binocular Astronomy, Second Edition new [Re: Crossen]
      #2656759 - 09/22/08 03:34 PM

Craig--

Thank you for providing your perspective on the publishing of amateur astronomy books.

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Bob
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