Olivier Biot
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Belgium is having fabulous weather since about May 2nd. High temps in the 70s-80s and very stable air masses at night. Thanks to a nice high pressure zone.
Transparency is not always on par though, but at least the weather is fantastic for an observing session on my urban balcony in Brussels. No need for a red LED flashlight though
This night I decided to set up the 8" TAL-200K on my balcony. I have access to the southwestern horizon.
During a 3 hour observing session with NELM 4.5 to 5.0 skies I observed the following objects, not without difficulty due to the lack of visible stars for star hopping.
The seeing was not perfect, around 7-8/10 at best. Not bad in an urban environment littered with poorly insulated buildings that radiate heat at night. I have to collimate the scope but could not find a decent star for a star test.
M3 - one of the nicest northern hemisphere globulars. Star hopped from Sigma Boo to Rho Boo, then moved in RA in the direction of barely visible Beta Com. NGC5466 was invisible. At first it was a very bright patch, which started to resolve in tens of individual stars when cranking up the power from 60x (32mm TV Plössl) to 105x (19mm Pan), to 133x (15mm Pan). the best views were in the 19mm and the 15mm. I played with the Nagler zoom 3-6mm but the image started falling apart quite rapidly. The granularity of M3 struck me!
M53 - star hopped from Beta Com to Alpha Com to find M53. A little bit less majestic than M3 but still one of the best for us 'northerners'. Observed M53 mainly with the 19mm and the 15mm Pan. Again no major problem to discover the granularity of this bright globular cluster in my urban skies. I could resolve some stars in M53 but less than in M3. Granularity appeared quite obviously though.
M81 and M82 - took me over 1 hour to get to both bright monster galaxies in UMa. Eventually I decided to get my 8x50 optical finder as I could barely see any stars for star hopping. I went from Alpha UMa towards the NCP until I saw 4 stars of 5m to 6m that form an arc (HIP53257, HIP52425, HIP52338 and HIP52577. I centered the scope on HIP52425 and then moved in decreasing RA until I hit M81, which has almost the same declination. The elongated cigar shape of M82 was pretty obvious, and I had the impression I could see a ragged "contour". The best view was with the 19mm Pan. I did not expect to see that much detail from my urban skies!
Both galaxies are almost within the same field of view when I use the 32mm Plössl. I could see the bright core but no features were visible. The shape of M81 was quite round, but the apparent size was smaller than M82. Again best views in the 19mm Pan. No other galaxies were visible in the vicinity, not even the brightest members in Markarian's chain (in Virgo).
M60 was the last galaxy of the night. The view was comparable to M81, although I had the impression M60 was a bit more "elliptical".
M13 was the night's last object. It's probably the best known northern globular as it can be seen with the unaided eye from a dark location. I could not see it in my 8x50 finder but it was pretty bright in the scope. Hundreds of stars were visible, right to the core. Granularity was very apparent. It was a good object to close the night
I tried quite some other objects but to no avail. I'm still trying to see M65 and M66 from urban skies in Belgium, and again they were totally hidden. I hope to do a tour in Leo and Virgo from a darker spot in the near future!
Cheers
Olivier
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Edited by Olivier Biot (05/14/08 03:50 PM)
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OldDeadOne
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I shoulda tried for M60 last night if I had thought of that one,was galaxy hunting with my classic last night,glad you had a nice night of viewing
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David Knisely
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Hi there. I think you got a couple of object labels turned around. M82 is the "cigar shaped" one and M81 is the galaxy that looks like a large fuzzy oval with a diffuse outer halo. Under light pollution, you may only have seen the core region of M81. It's easy to get these two mixed up when typing (I do that occasionally myself), as they are often mentioned together in a single observing report. Clear skies to you.
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Olivier Biot
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Thanks for correcting me David! I fixed it in the thread
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Hi there. I think you got a couple of object labels turned around. M82 is the "cigar shaped" one and M81 is the galaxy that looks like a large fuzzy oval with a diffuse outer halo.
For years I got these 2 mixed up, too.
A couple of years ago I was at a star party observing with the well-known astrophotographer Tony Hallas, and Tony shared his secret with me for remembering which one is which.
M-82 is cigar-shaped, and everyone has heard of a 10-cent cigar. Well, 8+2=10 and 8+1 does not. What could be easier to remember?
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David Knisely
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This is a good thread too, because it prompted me to go over to those two galaxies a little before I closed up shop on a night of lunar observing. Even under moonlight, I could easily see both in my NexStar 9.25 inch SCT, and I could even seen M81 in my 8x50 finder. The first quarter moon was really killing the contrast, but at about 98x, I could get vague hints of the outer haze of M81 and maybe just a hint of some arc-like variations in the outer halo's brightness. M82 showed up somewhat better, and showed the main "chevron" perpendicular dust lane and a few hints of other spots. Clear skies to you.
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Muffin Research
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Yep Olivier we are pretty blessed with the weather this last week, everyday and everynight is pretty much cloudless.
Globulars have been a real treat. And i'm finally nailing them with just the Telrad and the C8. No RA/DEC which I often need from home.
and the temperature is also very nice to do late night observering.
Enjoy! as long as it lasts. I'm betting other Olivier has a blast with a newly arrived 18" and this weather for testing it.
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F.Meiresonne
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Yes it has been very clear. We were able to catch M83 with an almos half moon in the sky just over the border in the Netherlands, sundaynight Scope was a 300 mm F/4 And i could see M68 very well in my pan35 in the 18" Sky conditions like that are very rare in Belgium
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Nice report Olivier. Keep seeking M65 & 66. I, too, missed them until one clear Good Friday night several years ago, when at -6°C I spent several hours working the Leo Triplet and the Leo Trio far from city lights. I'm glad to hear that you've had a nice run of clear skies over Belgium. ~Phill
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Muffin Research
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Hmm our lucky streak ended. Back to cloudy nights. Hey it's thursday so this must be Belgium.
Anyway those were a nice two weeks. I've seen more objects and done more observing than in the past 5 months.
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Olivier Biot
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For me it was even more spectacular: I never saw so many objects in Belgium in this short time lapse. I'm quite happy!
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Hmm our lucky streak ended. Back to cloudy nights. Hey it's thursday so this must be Belgium.
Anyway those were a nice two weeks. I've seen more objects and done more observing than in the past 5 months.
Same here, we've had a good run just across the North Sea in England, too. Sadly the clouds are back, but as the moon is as well, that lessens the pain somewhat!
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Muffin Research
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Oh yes I hope it's like a green wave with traffic lights.
The past half year the cycle was cloudy nights no moon, clear nights Full moon.
If it's the other way around now I'm quite happy.
Although I like looking at the moon when it's not full.
Olivier i'm quite amazed you got those galaxies from Brussels. hmm
I'm having a hard time with galaxies from home.
Nebula & clusters & planets is ok and that big fat galaxy taking up too much space for my C8 to get nicely framed.
I hope I get the Genesis mounted by midsummer.
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F.Meiresonne
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For me it was even more spectacular: I never saw so many objects in Belgium in this short time lapse. I'm quite happy!
And that prooves that lightpollution is not the biggest culprit. We lack 'clean' skies, there is too much moisture,or dirt or whatever in our skies. And that has it's drawback on the lightpollution too. That 'moisture ' multiplies the lightpollution... At least that is my thinking...
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For me it was even more spectacular: I never saw so many objects in Belgium in this short time lapse. I'm quite happy!
And that prooves that lightpollution is not the biggest culprit. We lack 'clean' skies, there is too much moisture,or dirt or whatever in our skies. And that has it's drawback on the lightpollution too. That 'moisture ' multiplies the lightpollution... At least that is my thinking...
And I think you are right Freddy. All the moisture and particles here in northern Europe scatter the light (whether from the Moon or from man-made light pollution) and make it far worse. I saw this for myself in 1997; during a trip to Australia I observed at a dark site but during a full Moon (I was there for some weeks, so that did not matter, btw) and yet I could still observe deep sky objects more profitably than I ever can from the UK under a full Moon. This was due to the clean, dry air of the desert as opposed to our mucky, damp northern European air.
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Olivier Biot
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I agree. Water vapor and dust particles act as a powerful catalyst for light pollution.
But that does not stop me from observing in suboptimal skies 
Cheers!
Olivier
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But that does not stop me from observing in suboptimal skies 
Me neither! Us northern Europeans have no choice.
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olivier
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Nice report Olivier. Starhopping in Brussels is quite a challenge. Good job!
Did you already tour in Leo and Virgo in the mean time?
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I'm betting other Olivier has a blast with a newly arrived 18" and this weather for testing it.
Yep - did not had the time to post it until now. Made a separate threath in order not to hijack this one. How about you? Did you observe lately?
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While on M53 did you try for NGC5053? It's in the same field and with 200mm aperture, you might be able to pick it off in NELM 5 skies. It's neat to see both in the same view. Two for the price of one!
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