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hallelujah
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NcSTAR Full Size Binocular
Model# BL2070G
20x70 Binocular/Blue/Green Lens
Weight 46.8 ozs.
Length 10 inches
Porro prism
Having owned a 20x80mm LightWeight giant astronomy binocular, and having replaced it with a Barska 30x80mm and an Orion 30x80mm, I was looking for something smaller than 80mm and something larger than 60mm, in a 20x.
Since purchasing an Orion 15x70mm LGII, I have become very fond of lightweight 70mm glass and was looking for an inexpensive 70mm bargain, in a higher magnification. The Orion Little Giant II was once also available in a 20x70mm, but, they are difficult to find and not in the inexpensive category.($100 and under)
Originally, I purchased a 30x70mm that I discovered at overstock.com, however, it was returned immediately, as I could not get it to merge the two images into one. Also, the 30x was too much magnification in a lightweight 70mm, for handholding.
After some recent positive postings, on CN, for a couple of NcSTAR binoculars, I went to their website and found the inexpensive 20x70mm advertised with either ruby coatings, or green coatings, I chose the green.
I placed my order with Optics Planet because of the price, $59.oo, and becuse they have an excellent return policy. It turned out that they were out-of-stock and I had to wait a week and a half for the back-order to arrive.
When it comes to ordering giant binoculars I found that shipping via "ground" isn't always the best way to go. I decided to spend the extra $9.75 and had them shipped Priority Mail, thru USPS, and received them within two days of shipping.
It arrived in perfect condition, yesterday afternoon.
At first I thought someone had made a mistake, the NcSTAR box looks like something from Nike or Addias running shoes. Inside the box was a kind of Styrofoam clamshell containing the binocular and accessories.
The carrying case is black cloth, and very soft, with a shoulder strap, but has a strong chemical odor. Also included is a shoestring neck strap and a tiny lens cloth.
The binocular comes with a very soft, and comfortable, pungent dark blue rubber armor. The prism housing rubber armor is ribbed on the front, sides, and back making it very grippy, and comfortable, for the fingers, hands, and thumbs.
The tubes are also covered with the same soft rubber armor, and I'm thinking that it will provide some degree of comfort and insulation during cold weather months.
The eyepieces have the very same soft rubber in the form of a rainguard, and it will stay in place as long as the IPD is opened up.
The front objective lenses also have caps of the same soft material, and hang down from the front of the binocular when removed. I found that I like this alot, as it makes adjusting the left and right tubes quick and easy, when making the necessary focus adjustment.
The center hinge is stiff but not overly so.
The focus wheel offers just enough resistance to be easy to move and yet permanent once it is set.
The right diopter also seems to have the correct amount of stiffness without being too loose or too tight.
I tried my Universal Astronomics L-shaped tripod adapter and found that, although it fit, it rubbed against the bottom covers of the prism housing, when adjusting the IPD, so, I switched over to my Pentax slim tripod adapter, and after adding an additional rubber washer, for spacing, it worked much better than the UA. (no more rubbing)
So far, my only 'major' complaint is the soft rubber folddown eyecups, which are toooo thick and make it difficult to fold them back, and after they are folded back you can see obvious stress showing through the dark blue colored rubber.
If a person was always wearing eyeglasses, it would probably be easier just to cut the eyecups down as the stress from folding them back would quickly take its toll.
The front objective lenses have a subdued greenish coating, but, at a certain angle to the light this stands out more prominently. In the bright sunlight this coating shows a secondary yellowish tint.
In the shade, or indoors, I can see my face very easily in the front objective lenses. (not good, but, not surprising)
The rear eyepiece lenses have a very nice blue color to them, with no white showing around the edges.
The coatings for both objective lenses and eyepiece lenses are evenly applied, with no obvious flaws.
The exit pupils, at a glance, appear perfectly round, however, upon closer inspection one can see the telltale signs of very faint prism cutoff, especially if the binocular is tilted to the left or to the right. If you watch the exit pupils, while slowly tilting the binocular from side to side, you can pick up the faint outline from the prisms.
Looking through the front lenses, down the tubes, with a small flashlight, it appears that the prisms are uncoated. The baffling seems acceptable enough at this price range.
Daytime use was a very pleasant experience, I was looking at birds, squirrels, airplanes, etc. Everything appeared bright and clear and sharp, and colors appeared natural with no obvious bias.
Handholding this 20x70mm did not prove to be a problem for me, whether I was sitting or standing. It seemed to be nicely balanced in my hands. For those who enjoy chasing airplanes, with binoculars, this definitely produces some very pleasing views at 20x & 70mm.
I was wearing eyeglasses with the eyecups both up and down. Although the Field Of View is smaller with the eyecups up, the central image is still viewable when looking at smaller animals and aircraft at a distance. (obviously I like the freedom of not wearing my eyeglasses, but, I can't get as sharp a focus without them, nonetheless, I enjoy viewing w/o my eyeglasses just as much)
I went out this morning, at 5:00 a.m., because it was cloudy last night. Looking at Jupiter I noticed some ghosting on the planet due to the multi-coated optics, as well as the probable absence of coatings on the prisms. Brighter stars did show more coma, but, overall I do not regret having made the purchase.
Due to a lack of leaves on the trees, at this time of year, I was dealing with more interference from streetlights, and the sunrise started around 5:30 a.m., so the sky was not at its very best for viewing.
From my brief experience with this NcSTAR 20x70mm I'm thinking that the views are clear out to around 65-70%, when stargazing.
I'd recommend this binocular for those people who are always looking for a "reasonable" bargain. Those who ordered the Zhumell 20x80mm for $69, and were happy with their purchase, probably will enjoy the NcSTAR binoculars as well.
If you asked me, "How do they manufacture them so cheap?", I would say that it is more than likely made possible by the use of plastics. I don't think that there is as much metal in these, as in the higher dollar binos.
My Barska 30x80mm X-Trail lightweight giant binocular was my first "JUST FOR GRINS" purchase, but now, I'm thinking that the NcSTAR 20x70mm may very well takes its place, BECAUSE it is lighter, shorter, smaller, and has a better close focus distance (around 60'-65'?).
p.s. I almost forgot, it also has a nifty little compass.
NcSTAR 9x63
Edited by hallelujah (04/08/08 07:42 AM)
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viperbob
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Great report. Can you put up a photo? VB
-------------------- VB
40 25'N 74 11'W
LX-90 8"SCT
8x40 Nikon Action
Nikon 12x50 AE's
Nagler 7mm Type 1
Nagler 12mm Type 2
Nagler 16mm type 2
Nagler 20mm Type 2
Orion Epic ED-2 22mm
Televue Plossl's 25mm,32mm
Panoptic 27mm
GSO SuperView 30mm & 42mm
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hallelujah
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Try this: http://www.atafa.com/sports/popup_image.php?pID=149954
-------------------- Pentax 12x50mm PCF WP II asph FMC/WP/FP
Pentax 16x60mm PCF WP asph FMC/WP/FP
Pentax 20x60mm PCF WP II asph FMC/WP/FP
Orion 15x70mm Little Giant II FMC/Japan
Orion 16x80mm Giant FMC/Japan
Orion 30x80mm MEGAView FMC/Japan
Barska 30x80mm X-Trail LW FC
Burgess Optical Series II 20x90mm FMC/WP/FP
Handel's Messiah**Hallelujah! For the LORD God Omnipotent Reigneth
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viperbob
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Thanks, looks nice. Boy do you have some collection of bino's. Good luck with the new ones. VB
-------------------- VB
40 25'N 74 11'W
LX-90 8"SCT
8x40 Nikon Action
Nikon 12x50 AE's
Nagler 7mm Type 1
Nagler 12mm Type 2
Nagler 16mm type 2
Nagler 20mm Type 2
Orion Epic ED-2 22mm
Televue Plossl's 25mm,32mm
Panoptic 27mm
GSO SuperView 30mm & 42mm
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hallelujah
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Quote:
Boy do you have some collection of bino's.
VB
Thanks, I told my wife  that it's my only? hobby/vice.
-------------------- Pentax 12x50mm PCF WP II asph FMC/WP/FP
Pentax 16x60mm PCF WP asph FMC/WP/FP
Pentax 20x60mm PCF WP II asph FMC/WP/FP
Orion 15x70mm Little Giant II FMC/Japan
Orion 16x80mm Giant FMC/Japan
Orion 30x80mm MEGAView FMC/Japan
Barska 30x80mm X-Trail LW FC
Burgess Optical Series II 20x90mm FMC/WP/FP
Handel's Messiah**Hallelujah! For the LORD God Omnipotent Reigneth
Edited by hallelujah (04/06/08 07:15 PM)
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viperbob
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Yeah!!! Good luck with that one.  VB
-------------------- VB
40 25'N 74 11'W
LX-90 8"SCT
8x40 Nikon Action
Nikon 12x50 AE's
Nagler 7mm Type 1
Nagler 12mm Type 2
Nagler 16mm type 2
Nagler 20mm Type 2
Orion Epic ED-2 22mm
Televue Plossl's 25mm,32mm
Panoptic 27mm
GSO SuperView 30mm & 42mm
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richard7
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I never like to refer to it as a "vise". I refer to it as a useful recreational endeavor. Much better than watching TV. RT
-------------------- Richard Trost
Orion 130st
Ioptron e/r80
Meade 10x50
Konusvue 20x80
Zhumell Tachiyon 25x100
Coffee thermos
coffee cup
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hallelujah
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A "vice" is sometimes defined as an act of self-indulgence.
A "vise" is what we use in the garage on the workbench.
In any case, I wholeheartedly AGREE with you about the "useful recreational endeavor".
Edited by hallelujah (04/06/08 06:46 PM)
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Robert A.
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Hallelujah, I have enjoyed this too! I have looked at many binoculars! Yes, it helps me cherish life, to be thankful for the beautiful world!
Hallelujah, I do enjoy your posts! You try to research things as you comment on them! You bring interesting things to the conversation.
My last binocular purchase was in march, a Nikon Action extreme 12x50. It was startling clear, enjoyable! I will enjoy comparing it to other binoculars I have! Daytime views show it to have good depth perception in the views! Thanks Ed Z for talking about it!
I bought it from an Ebay vendor that turned out to have spotty feedback. 99.2% positive I thought it was good, but it turns out that the seller had 48 negative this month. I was trying to save 30 dollars but I spent too much time worrying about it. It turned out well, but I wouldn't do it again...
-------------------- Oberwerk 11x56, Nikon 12x50se, Fujinon 16x70, Stellarvue 20x85, Oberwerk 25/40 45degree 100mm
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hallelujah
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Quote:
Hallelujah, I do enjoy your posts! You try to research things as you comment on them! You bring interesting things to the conversation.
Robert,
If I can be a help or a blessing to even one person it is all worth it.
I have enjoyed learning about binoculars over the past couple of years, and it has been alot of fun. Although my viewing experience, and knowledge of binoculars, is very limited, I hope that I have made an occasional valuable contribution. 
Unfortunately I will never know as much as EdZ, BillC, KennyJ, and others. (too many things to do and not enough time to do them all)
I appreciate your positive comments.
-------------------- Pentax 12x50mm PCF WP II asph FMC/WP/FP
Pentax 16x60mm PCF WP asph FMC/WP/FP
Pentax 20x60mm PCF WP II asph FMC/WP/FP
Orion 15x70mm Little Giant II FMC/Japan
Orion 16x80mm Giant FMC/Japan
Orion 30x80mm MEGAView FMC/Japan
Barska 30x80mm X-Trail LW FC
Burgess Optical Series II 20x90mm FMC/WP/FP
Handel's Messiah**Hallelujah! For the LORD God Omnipotent Reigneth
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eklf
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If I can be a help or a blessing to even one person it is all worth it.
Although my viewing experience, and knowledge of binoculars, is very limited, I hope that I have made an occasional valuable contribution.
I absolutely echo Robert's comments. You have (as have so many other members of this forum) always been very encouraging with your suggestions and comments, and have always been willing to offer your experience.
-------------------- 7X35,10X50,12X60,20X80
8” Dob
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hallelujah
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Thanks Kumar, it has been a privilege sharing things with you and I have benefited from your honesty as well.
-------------------- Pentax 12x50mm PCF WP II asph FMC/WP/FP
Pentax 16x60mm PCF WP asph FMC/WP/FP
Pentax 20x60mm PCF WP II asph FMC/WP/FP
Orion 15x70mm Little Giant II FMC/Japan
Orion 16x80mm Giant FMC/Japan
Orion 30x80mm MEGAView FMC/Japan
Barska 30x80mm X-Trail LW FC
Burgess Optical Series II 20x90mm FMC/WP/FP
Handel's Messiah**Hallelujah! For the LORD God Omnipotent Reigneth
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hallelujah
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Using the NcSTAR 20x70mm, tonight, on the full moon shows internal reflections, I seem to notice much less of these reflections when wearing my eyeglasses, with anti-reflective coatings. (does that make sense?)
There is some CA, depending upon how well the IPD is adjusted.
There is a slightly warmish, yellowish color bias, when viewing the full moon.
The sharpness, when viewing the full moon, is quite excellent for a binocular of this price range.
I tried it on Jupiter, early in the morning, but could not get a perfectly round sphere. There was some elongation/stretching of the planet.
I was able to see all four moons without any difficulty.
Looking at Saturn as it was setting in the west was not very impressive. It took a good deal of finicky, focusing adjustments to catch a reasonable shape of the planet.
Saturn is still toooo small thru this binocular, and I have a hunch that if EdZ were to spec it out, that the magnification would actually turn out to be less than 20x.
Stars have some coma, but fiddling around with fine tuning of the focuser and the right diopter, does improve things.
Overall, for stargazing, my Barska 30x80mm X-Trail is still the BETTER performer of the two, inexpensive, JUST FOR GRINS high magnification binoculars.
I think the NcSTAR 20x70mm will be a better daytime performer, than it is for nighttime usage.
Edited by hallelujah (05/20/08 06:09 PM)
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hallelujah
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Used this binocular, again, last night for stargazing, and compared it to my Orion 15x70mm Little Giant II & my Orion 16x80mm MEGAView.
Both Orion's with the Fully Multi-Coated optics and the larger exit pupils, 4.6mm/70mm & 5mm/80mm, did a better job of light transmission to my eyes.
The NcSTAR 20x70mm with an exit pupil of only 3.5 and only Multi-Coated optics was darker/dimmer than the other two. No surprise, especially against the 80mm, with its lower magnification.
Not surprising, the biggest disappointment with this inexpensive binocular has been trying to view plantets. Doesn't do well on those brighter bodies.
Still, overall, it is a FUN binocular to use, considering the price, expecially during the daytime. The only fault I noticed during the day was some very slight blackout if I tried to hold it too close to my eyes. Nighttime STARGAZING is enjoyable, even with its optical limitations.
The FUN part is the fact that it is EASY to handhold, for whatever reason(s), it seems pretty much the same as handholding my 15x/16x. It has good balance and weight, and fills up my hands nicely, allowing a comfortable and a steady grip.
Of course, it does even better when mounted on a lightweight tripod and solid head. (Mantrotto 3021BN tripod legs & 501 head)
-------------------- Pentax 12x50mm PCF WP II asph FMC/WP/FP
Pentax 16x60mm PCF WP asph FMC/WP/FP
Pentax 20x60mm PCF WP II asph FMC/WP/FP
Orion 15x70mm Little Giant II FMC/Japan
Orion 16x80mm Giant FMC/Japan
Orion 30x80mm MEGAView FMC/Japan
Barska 30x80mm X-Trail LW FC
Burgess Optical Series II 20x90mm FMC/WP/FP
Handel's Messiah**Hallelujah! For the LORD God Omnipotent Reigneth
Edited by hallelujah (05/25/08 07:50 PM)
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hallelujah
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Since I have to be at work by 4:30 a.m. I decided to take the 20x70mm along, to view the Pleiades, yesterday morning.
After viewing, I gave the NcSTAR to my Sprv., who is a hunter, and told him to take a look through it whenever he had the time.
I returned to work today and asked him if he had a chance to use it. He just smiled and said, "I took it home with me. You can't have it back."
He was very pleased with the 20x magnification, for daytime viewing. That was the last time I saw it.
I explained to him that it was an " el cheapo" Chinese binocular, and that it was NOT waterproof or fogproof, and it should be handled carefully, so as not to knock it out of alignment. After ALL the warnings, he was still planning on taking it to the range, to use it to assist him in sighting-in his rifle. He also plans on using it at long distances to look at elk.
Guess I'll start looking for another 20x70mm, perhaps, this time, I will try and find an Orion Little Giant II 20x70mm with better optics and better optical coatings.
-------------------- Pentax 12x50mm PCF WP II asph FMC/WP/FP
Pentax 16x60mm PCF WP asph FMC/WP/FP
Pentax 20x60mm PCF WP II asph FMC/WP/FP
Orion 15x70mm Little Giant II FMC/Japan
Orion 16x80mm Giant FMC/Japan
Orion 30x80mm MEGAView FMC/Japan
Barska 30x80mm X-Trail LW FC
Burgess Optical Series II 20x90mm FMC/WP/FP
Handel's Messiah**Hallelujah! For the LORD God Omnipotent Reigneth
Edited by hallelujah (07/24/08 01:40 PM)
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