Mattbtn
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All I have to say about this new card is Holy Dung!!
With the old card, Windows began taking "minutes" to fully load, and even then things were bogged down. I never realized that a faulty driver or defective video card could affect the performance of so many other devices, especially my hard drives.
Since the install, Windows now boots up in 20 seconds, and is fully loaded in maybe 15-20 more after I enter my PW. Not to mention, things just run buttery smooth. I'm a happy camper! 
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Rusty
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That DFI mobo hit the discount list (instant $40 off) so is on its way...
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Rusty
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I have installed five Raidcore RAID boards in various systems of mine and they are wonderful -- highly recommended, five stars! No other RAID solution I've found has the performance and value of Raidcore.
You and I apparently aren't the only ones: Here. Now, Tom's Hardware Guide, IMHO, tends to operate on the fringe, but even a blind hog gets an acorn now and then...typically, THG doesn't tell the full story, but it makes a case for the RaidCore implementation.
BTW, I started the physical build of the new PC today, and found the HSF won't fit with the DFI mobo, due to the BTX config of the case....oh, well, I have plenty of time...at least the PS is safely ensconced...(PCP&C Silencer 750 - at this stage, definitely SILENT... )
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Mattbtn
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Rusty, did you have plenty of room to mount that huge NB heatsink alongside your CPU heatsink?
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Rusty
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Yeah, that wouldn't have been a problem, due to the elevation (above the mobo) of the C12P. If it is, and I doubt it due to the orientation (long axis horizontal) I'll have to put the U12P into, I'll go with a Noctua chipset cooler. I will have to reverse the side case and rear fans, so that the rear extracts and the side intakes, due to the orientation of the U12P HSF. I nearly bought the Zalman CNPS 9700 NT (this is my first excursion away from Zalman in many years) but the U12P is much quieter and more effective.
I do have a gripe with Lian-Li on this case (as opposed to any of the many others I've built around - mostly the PC-60 and offspring) is that there are NO filters on the intake fans. None! I'll install 'em, but what were they thinking?
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Rusty
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The Core 2 Duo E8500 hit the discount list (from Intel), and it dropped on Newegg from $289 to 199.95, shipping included...so it's on its way.
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BTW, the E8400 only dropped $20, $189 to $169.
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Figures, after I buy it they slash the price. 
I got the E8400 last month and I'm loving it...so you should be please with the E8500!
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I have a peecee I built years ago that's perfectly serviceable for most of what I use it for. But it's still a P4 2.6 OCed to 3.2GHz. Processing astrophotos, it bogs down. I should be able to get somewhere around 3.8 GHz overclocking the E8500. I've been haunting websites for specials and rebates for this one's build, and so far that's saved around $400. Obviously, I'm in no hurry, and all that's left to acquire are 3 HDDs for the RAID 5 array.
Actually, you should be able to hit 3.6-3.7 GHz with modest OCing on your E8400. I always overclock, as to me, it's just getting all the performance paid for - since the Olde Days and the Celeron 300 that would do 450 MHz with little fuss - and that's what I built my peecee business (since sold) on: Overclocking.
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I had tried overclocking for a little while with my P4 2.4 up to 2.9 or so, but despite putting in all these fancy fans the case would just heat up too much, and that computer always had a rather unstable system so I would constantly get crashes. I finally gave up tinkering around with it and let it run normally. If I get a different fan to replace the stock cpu one I might consider overclocking on this new one, but its not a high priority for the moment.
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I built custom peecees for many years (read: overclocked). The HSF on the CPU was important, but where I found my niche was in case cooling, which seemed to be overlooked by competitors. I've sent PCs out with as many as 13 fans, all running slowly to hold down the noise.
The airflow in the case is more important (IMHO) than the effectiveness of the CPU HSF. Core logic cooling was also important, and was (less so), keeping RAM comfortable.
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I built custom peecees for many years (read: overclocked). The HSF on the CPU was important, but where I found my niche was in case cooling, which seemed to be overlooked by competitors. I've sent PCs out with as many as 13 fans, all running slowly to hold down the noise.
The airflow in the case is more important (IMHO) than the effectiveness of the CPU HSF. Core logic cooling was also important, and was (less so), keeping RAM comfortable.
13 fans?! That must have been an impressive sight! 
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The customer dictates, and I, a mere Pawn in the Hands of Customers, do what's necessary. That unit was long ago, in the days before 92mm fans, much less 120 and 140mm fans. Nevertheless, that particular PC has never come back. Actually, one of my specs was that if someone wanted a PC overclocked to that extreme, I made him acknowledge that noise wan't an issue. Actually, that one with 13 fans was pretty quiet, although it took me some "messing with" to get that result for noise as well as decent airflow. To be honest, that one was actually a PITA, but it did work very well, and the customer was happy.
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Flight Simulator X utilizes all four cores of my 6600 using XP on my computer, running all four close to 100% at times. So it seems it can be done....somehow.
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Well, I finally ordered the three 500GB NS Seagate drives, becoming resigned that they would NEVER go on sale (since they're commercial ["enterprise"] drives)...the New PeeCee will be physically built in the next week. Less certain is how long it'll take me to rebuild the software....for those not involved in the PC repair/upgrade realm, slapping together a new Box is nothing...the labor is in configuring the software (treat your Local PC Guy with some delicacy, huh?). In my case, around 30 hours...
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That's a compelling reason to keep installed software on it's own drive. Most software will run from a copied directory, leaving you to only make filetype associations. At least that would save a lot of time on the software that doesn't require a "proper" install.
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q9300 it's every power efficient and runs cool. The old Quad was a little devil!
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That's a compelling reason to keep installed software on it's own drive. Most software will run from a copied directory, leaving you to only make filetype associations. At least that would save a lot of time on the software that doesn't require a "proper" install.
dave
I always do that, and typically partition a hard drive into 5 logical drives. OS on C:, Utils and drivers on D:, Comms (email, etc.) and images on E:, games on F:, and "whatever" on G:, etc.
Even so, most Windoze software needs reinstallation to make the appropriate registry entries, and that's what it took (30 hours) to config my new laptop....but that includes partitioning and formatting the drives, and so forth. I used to be able to do it in about 20, but I've just loaded more stuff onto the desktop. I just don't trust MS's transfer routines, so do all of it manually.
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Here is a machine I built about a year ago. I went dual core, because the quads were at the time too expensive, but I will upgrade this fall to DDR3 memory and a quad Core. I'm running Vista Ultima. No problems with the system and it does heat up my computer room. It caused me to ditch my two 21 inch monitors for a single 26 inch HD flat screen to reduce overall heat output in the room. The Graphics Card is an EVGA 8800 GTS. I also plan on buying a second one and bridging them.
Charlie
BTW, Ron ...I thought you were always an Apple Person? What are you doing with a Dell?
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Charlie, Three Mile Island called. They want their cooling tower back.
That looks a lot like my MB there... Gigabyte?
And that 8800? I just killed off Crysis, and even with a single card I was getting 20+ FPS after hacking the game to allow ultra graphics settings in XP. Impressive vid rig, that.
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