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InkDark
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WOW! Is the picture showing Phoenix hanging from its parachute?
Can you imagine what it would be like standing on Mars and seeing the arrival of Phoenix?
-------------------- Jimmy
"Rarely Have So Many Understood So Little About So Much" - Palle Yourgrau
"...since that time, I have not complained about the weather one single time. I’m glad there is weather." – Alan Bean, Apollo 12
What do you mean by “Saving the Earth”? The Earth is not in danger! Don’t worry about the planet it will be here long after we are extinct...
Edited by InkDark (05/26/08 04:34 PM)
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varmint
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WOW! Is the picture showing Phoenix hanging from its parachute?
Can you imagine what it would be like standing on Mars and seeing the arrival of Phoenix?
I know that question was rhetorical, but man, that's a cool shot anyway. And a lot of emotions went through me yesterday watching all the tension and anticipation of the EDL team as they basically just sat there and watched what happened 10 minutes before, for me it was like the first time I watched the Columbia launch on TV in 1981. I can't imagine what they must've really felt.
I'm also enjoying all the recaps being shown on the Science Channel of the recent Mars Missions (Rovers, MRO, etc.).
I would've loved to see some footage from the ground of the retrorockets firing and the lander descending for touchdown. I pretty certain the NASA animations are somewhat close to what really happens, but seeing the real thing would've been awesome. Except that it would be a waste of load weight (not to mention $$) to have a "landing camera" jettisoned down to capture ahead of time to capture the descent and landing.
I'm hoping they can start digging soon (I know it's all in due time). I'm excited about the prospects of what they may uncover. And a part of me hopes that somehow this lander will survive the winter and power up again somehow...
-------------------- Clear Skies,
Jim
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"Do, or do not. There is no try."-Jedi Master Yoda
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Shadowalker
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This is quite an image. Phoenix on Mars.
How come we can't get similar resolution on the Apollo landing sites?
-------------------- Tom Nicolaides
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trever
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We probably could if there was an orbiter there with this kind of capability.
-------------------- Trever
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David Knisely
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This is quite an image. Phoenix on Mars.
How come we can't get similar resolution on the Apollo landing sites?
Well, we got nearly that resolution with some of the Lunar Orbiter photos. One showed the Surveyor 1 spacecraft on the moon, while another showed the impact crater from one of the Ranger missions. We also got detailed high-res images during the Apollo missions with the ITEK Panoramic camera on board the service module during the Apollo 15, 16, and 17 missions. Indeed, there are at least two images I know of which show the lunar module on the surface taken from lunar orbit. Of course, since there is no similar camera with that resolution currently in orbit around the moon, we can't get that fine detail. However, there *is* a spacecraft due to be launched later this year which will have sub-meter surface resolution: the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter:
http://lunar.gsfc.nasa.gov/index.html
Clear skies to you.
-------------------- David W. Knisely
Hyde Memorial Observatory
http://www.hydeobservatory.info
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SkyArcher
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Why didn't they make the lander mobile like the Rovers.
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David Knisely
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Why didn't they make the lander mobile like the Rovers.
Because the design of the lander used hardware from a previous canceled mission that was never intended to move (just land in one spot). At the time when the new Scout-class missions were developed ("Better, faster, cheaper"), several options were considered for landing spacecraft on Mars. The ones that had worked previously were the Viking 1 and 2 landers, so naturally, two of the landers (Mars Polar Lander and Mars Surveyor Lander) were to use that already established landing technique (parachute, followed by a final descent using landing thrusters and three landing legs for support). Like the Vikings, the two landers were never intended to move but just give us more information about single sites, since rovers had not been in the cards at that point. The "wild card" at the time was the sort of "engineering" demonstration project using air bags, named "Pathfinder". It carried a small short-range experimental remote-controlled rover (Sojourner) as a sort of "bonus", but overall, the project was more an engineering test to see if this new landing technique actually would work. Thus, the science payload was kept to a modest amount, and the project was also given a go to try. Of course, no one knew whether the air bag system would work for a Martian landing, so the already established parachute/descent thruster method would be used for other two landers in case the airbags didn't work. Well, they did and the Mars Polar Lander didn't, although that was not necessarily because there was anything wrong with the landing method. However, the 2nd lander (Mars Surveyor) was canceled after the dual failures of Mars Polar Lander and Mars Climate Explorer, so the hardware for the Mars Surveyor Lander hardware sat unused until a proposal was made to put a new science payload on the lander portion and send it to the northern polar region. This could be done for a cost that was less than that of a new dedicated polar landing probe, and thus, the Mars Phoenix mission was born. Putting wheels and motors on the lander would have added weight, complexity, cost, and design time to the mission, so it was decided to just use the existing hardware and put up with the more limited reach to get back to Mars soon and save some money in the process. Someday, we will probably have some rovers land in the polar regions, but for now, we should get good science from our little "one shot" foray into the Martian arctic landscape. Clear skies to you.
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jupiterzkool
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Why didn't they make the lander mobile like the Rovers.
You'll have to wait for the Mars Science Laboratory. It is the Hummer of all rovers.
-S
-------------------- Scott G. Edgington, Planetary Scientist
Cassini-Huygens: Mission to Saturn & Titan
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LivingNDixie
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Why didn't they make the lander mobile like the Rovers.
You'll have to wait for the Mars Science Laboratory. It is the Hummer of all rovers.
-S
But they are only building one.....
-------------------- Preston
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Uranut
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Why didn't they make the lander mobile like the Rovers.
Besides the 'historical' reasons mentioned above there are considerations of cost-effectiveness.
The selected landing region is quite homogeneous. Driving around to see 'more of the same' was considered unnecessary.
Also, the seasonal climate variations are extreme in that area. The lander is not expected to remain functional long enough to travel any meaningful distance.
-------------------- Michael
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llanitedave
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Why didn't they make the lander mobile like the Rovers.
You'll have to wait for the Mars Science Laboratory. It is the Hummer of all rovers.
-S
But they are only building one.....
In my fantasies, I see a fleet of MER-class rovers, slightly updated, more powerful, but not necessarily as big and heavy as the MSL.
Send them to numerous promising locations -- and equip their solar panels with wiper blades!
Solar panels that can be tilted to track the sun, and wiper blades to clean off the dust, would be major power-enhancing features, with relatively little size and weight penalty.
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