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Andy Allen
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Printable, mirror-reversed moon map?
      #2464603 - 06/17/08 01:05 AM

Does anyone know of a printable moon map, reversed for use with a diagonal, that will label the maria, some well-known craters, etc? I'm lunar-illiterate so it doesn't need to have a lot of detail to entertain me.

Naively thinking this would be easy to find, I just spent about half an hour Googling and searching here on CN but to no avail.

Andy

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Re: Printable, mirror-reversed moon map? new [Re: Andy Allen]
      #2464893 - 06/17/08 08:15 AM

Andy, Sky & Telescope has a great one you can tryout.

http://shopatsky.com/prodinfo.asp?number=59295

I have one of the regular ones, and have had the mirror image version when I had a refractor. I can say it's a wonderful tool to have at the scope, and very durable too.


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Re: Printable, mirror-reversed moon map? new [Re: ................]
      #2465227 - 06/17/08 11:30 AM

Any FREE, printable, reverse image Moon maps?

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Re: Printable, mirror-reversed moon map? new [Re: rogerry]
      #2465608 - 06/17/08 02:24 PM

I broke down and bought the mirror-image laminated Rukl map from Amazon. Paid under $9 US for it.

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Re: Printable, mirror-reversed moon map? new [Re: rogerry]
      #2465705 - 06/17/08 03:15 PM

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Any FREE, printable, reverse image Moon maps?




Yes. Download a free copy of VMA and you can print out as many mirror reversed maps as you have paper to print with.

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Re: Printable, mirror-reversed moon map? new [Re: photonovore]
      #2466123 - 06/17/08 06:51 PM

Yes, that works, but honestly, the nine bucks for the S&T map is really worth it. You can spend a LOT more on less usefull accessories in this hobby!

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Re: Printable, mirror-reversed moon map? new [Re: Tim2723]
      #2466427 - 06/17/08 09:32 PM

I did both. I bought the map and downloaded VMA. By the way, the maps do not print out very big on VMA, mine only come out on 1/4 of a page. I see no way to increase to a full page using the configure window.

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Re: Printable, mirror-reversed moon map? new [Re: rogerry]
      #2466471 - 06/17/08 09:57 PM

I did try VMA before posting here, but after spending a few minutes with it, I didn't see an obvious way to get a map with the labels I want. I'm still hoping there is a jpeg or pdf out there on the web that will be what I need, and save me from having to learn a software package I might not use again.

Surprising that still nothing free has surfaced. Not like the moon is copyrighted or something! I think this would be a fun project.... One could make a set of maps corresponding to different positions of the terminator using their own whole-moon images from a series of nights.

Andy

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Re: Printable, mirror-reversed moon map? new [Re: Andy Allen]
      #2466788 - 06/18/08 01:09 AM

Andy,

If you aren't able to find what you're looking for ready-made, you might find the freeware Lunar Terminator Visualization Tool (LTVT) more suitable for your purpose than VMA. Whether it's as easy to use, I don't know; but it's certainly more flexible.

With LTVT you can use any of the textures provided with VMA, as well as many others freely available from the USGS Map-a-Planet service, as well as (as you suggest) actual photographs of the Moon taken by yourself or anyone else. The software will automatically supply the correct (and correctly spelled) labels, and with a little practice you should be able to produce quite professional looking results. I'm no expert on VMA, but LTVT gives you total flexibility over what features are labeled and with what font (including size and color). It also places dots unambiguously identifying what feature is being labeled, and (if you wish) can draw circles indicating the feature boundary.

The name and position information is stored in something called a "dot file", which is a simple text file that can be edited with any text processor, like Notepad or WordPad. One way to control what is labeled is to use a text processor to "flag" the items you want in the dot file (or in a spare copy of it). Setting the Size Threshold to -1 will then overlay (and label) just the features you've flagged. Another, and perhaps more educational way, is interactively choose which features should be labeled by pointing the mouse at whatever looks interesting to you, right-clicking and selecting "Identify nearest named feature." You can then, if you wish, right-click a second time and ask the software to "Label nearest dot," and the label will be automatically supplied. Hopefully you'll learn something about the feature names in the process. You can also manually add non-standard names (and their positions) to the dot file if you want those names to appear on your charts. And you can also add a longitude-latitude grid if you wish.

In addition, you can set the libration (the lon/lat of the map's center point) to (0, 0) -- which is the standard for lunar mapping, yet something I believe you will be unable to do with VMA.

To use actual photographs, rather global textures, you need only to correlate any two features visible on the photo with their long/lat positions on a standard texture. As with textures, LTVT can automatically re-map the photos to zero libration, although the results may not look as satisfying (because of an absence of data around certain parts of the limb). You can also automatically label images that have non-zero or even exaggerated libration to bring out details near the limb.

The size limitation mentioned by Roger might seem an especially serious show-stopper for LTVT since it draws only in a fixed 641x641 pixel window. However it has a precisely adjustable Zoom capability and an equally precise X-Y "Go to" capability which can set the center position in terms of fractions of the lunar radius. If, as a somewhat arbitrary example, you set the Zoom to 4, it will take exactly 4 of the on-screen windows to span the lunar diameter, meaning that the entire Moon will fit exactly in a 4x4 array of 16 tiles with a total width of 4x641 = 2564 pixels. The edges of these will be at the Moon's center, 0.5 of the radius and 1.0 of the radius; so the centers are at 0.25 and 0.75 of the radius. Thinking of this as a grid pattern, you can quite easily use the X-Y Go To function to correctly center the simulations to produce exactly the 16 tiles needed to cover the Moon. They will fit together seamlessly and can be easily butted together with Photoshop or the Gimp or nearly any other photo processing software. The process may sound overly complicated, but this is no harder than what imagers do to produce full disk mosaics. In fact it's much easier because the tiles fit perfectly.

You don't, of course, need to use a Zoom of 4 -- you can use whatever you need to get the final pixel width you want for the full lunar diameter. I should mention that there may be some problem with labels that span tile boundaries, but this can be solved by generating tiles that overlap. Again, the overlaps will mesh perfectly, so aligning them to make a multi-megapixel mosaic is quite trivial.

I don't realistically expect anyone to follow through on this -- buying the S&T Field Map is easier and more efficient -- but if you want something with custom labels, the capability is certainly there.

-- Jim

P.S.: you'll find image inversion (left-right and/or up-down mirror inversion) under Tools...Cartographic options...

P.P.S.: if you use LTVT to make a useful set of printable images, and they're under 10 MB each, you might consider posting them for download on the LTVT Wiki so that others won't face the problem you did.


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Re: Printable, mirror-reversed moon map? new [Re: Jim Mosher]
      #2588247 - 08/18/08 11:35 AM

Something I just did was to use PowerStrip to set my screen resolution to 3000x2000 (no, I don't have an ultra-high resolution monitor; the display driver handled this by scrolling the desktop), and then I could get a rather high resolution (about 3000x3000) map of the moon with VMA just by scrolling, exporting to bmp, and then putting the bmp images together (in the Gimp).

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Home-made 68mm F/5.3 achro (typically used as finder on 13.1")
Skymaster 15x70
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Re: Printable, mirror-reversed moon map? new [Re: arpruss]
      #2588301 - 08/18/08 11:59 AM

how much it cost
is it easy to go back
what he can do for a hold compaq portable eva n400c low end

or it is only for performor cpu

I try somtime this kind of soft and difficult to remouve after

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Re: Printable, mirror-reversed moon map? new [Re: jack savard]
      #2588311 - 08/18/08 12:05 PM

I used the free (shareware) version of Powerstrip. I haven't had trouble uninstalling Powerstrip in the past. I don't know if it works with your display card.

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Coulter Odyssey 8"
Home-made 7.8" F/4 dobsonian travel scope
Home-made 68mm F/5.3 achro (typically used as finder on 13.1")
Skymaster 15x70
BPTs4 8x30
32mm Plossl, 30mm Rini, 27mm Kellner, 13mm Hyperion, 6mm TMB/BO Planetary, Owl 2X Barlow
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Re: Printable, mirror-reversed moon map? new [Re: arpruss]
      #2590110 - 08/19/08 08:40 AM

Another option would be to recompile LTVT with a much bigger viewing window. But I have to confess that when I tried to compile LTVT, I failed (I am not a Delphi programmer, though).

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Coulter Odyssey 13.1" split-tube
Coulter Odyssey 8"
Home-made 7.8" F/4 dobsonian travel scope
Home-made 68mm F/5.3 achro (typically used as finder on 13.1")
Skymaster 15x70
BPTs4 8x30
32mm Plossl, 30mm Rini, 27mm Kellner, 13mm Hyperion, 6mm TMB/BO Planetary, Owl 2X Barlow
Palm TX with AstroInfo and RescoViewer


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Re: Printable, mirror-reversed moon map? new [Re: arpruss]
      #2688385 - 10/09/08 01:36 AM

I made a little script to generate moon maps out of orthographic projections plus a feature list. It needs PerlMagick, and I am not ready to release. I ran it on a projection of one of the USGS color-coded altitude maps, and generated a couple of pretty simple maps. They get crowded in places, but might be somewhat usable:
http://pruss.homeip.net/alex/moon.html
This includes 1500x1500 and 1800x1800 versions, in both upright, Newtonian and star-diagonal orientations. (Some may not be up yet--if not, try in 5 minutes.)

I was using an early version loaded on a pda today while observing.

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Coulter Odyssey 13.1" split-tube
Coulter Odyssey 8"
Home-made 7.8" F/4 dobsonian travel scope
Home-made 68mm F/5.3 achro (typically used as finder on 13.1")
Skymaster 15x70
BPTs4 8x30
32mm Plossl, 30mm Rini, 27mm Kellner, 13mm Hyperion, 6mm TMB/BO Planetary, Owl 2X Barlow
Palm TX with AstroInfo and RescoViewer


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Re: Printable, mirror-reversed moon map? new [Re: arpruss]
      #2688836 - 10/09/08 10:49 AM

I've now generated 1500x1500, 1800x1800 and 2000x2000 versions, both USGS grayscale-relief and color-coded, in upright, Newtonian and star-diagonal orientations, for a total of 18 maps. I'm not entirely happy with the grayscale-relief color scheme--the yellow labels don't stand out nearly as nicely as I wish they did (maybe I need to darken the shadows behind them? or switch to a different color?) I've also moved this off my home server to a proper host:
http://pruss.mobi/moon.html

You may notice that the actual files have more pixels than, say, "1500x1500" indicates. That's because the "1500x1500" refers to the moon image itself, but labels stick out past it.

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Coulter Odyssey 13.1" split-tube
Coulter Odyssey 8"
Home-made 7.8" F/4 dobsonian travel scope
Home-made 68mm F/5.3 achro (typically used as finder on 13.1")
Skymaster 15x70
BPTs4 8x30
32mm Plossl, 30mm Rini, 27mm Kellner, 13mm Hyperion, 6mm TMB/BO Planetary, Owl 2X Barlow
Palm TX with AstroInfo and RescoViewer


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Re: Printable, mirror-reversed moon map? new [Re: arpruss]
      #2689305 - 10/09/08 02:39 PM

Pretty cool

Thanks for all the effort and work you have devoted into this - and thanks for sharing

Be well!

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Re: Printable, mirror-reversed moon map? new [Re: Mare Nectaris]
      #2689458 - 10/09/08 03:53 PM

If there are objects I should include but which I didn't include, let me know. I've included only objects of diameter 40km and up, and limited it to craters, seas and mountains. Limits are really needed, or else the map gets unreadably cluttered, both with the circles and with the names, but if there is a small number of features I should add, I can do that. It's all generated automatically, and I have a big database of lunar features that the scripts are choosing from, so it's easy to make modifications. Being a newbie, I don't exactly know what's useful.

For me what's nice about these maps is that (a) they're free, and (b) I can put them on my PDA.

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Coulter Odyssey 13.1" split-tube
Coulter Odyssey 8"
Home-made 7.8" F/4 dobsonian travel scope
Home-made 68mm F/5.3 achro (typically used as finder on 13.1")
Skymaster 15x70
BPTs4 8x30
32mm Plossl, 30mm Rini, 27mm Kellner, 13mm Hyperion, 6mm TMB/BO Planetary, Owl 2X Barlow
Palm TX with AstroInfo and RescoViewer


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Re: Printable, mirror-reversed moon map? new [Re: arpruss]
      #2691431 - 10/10/08 04:18 PM

Hello Alexander

I have downloaded your images - they are very good indeed
thanks for your efforts.
I have a small request to make.
Is it possible to make available the same range of maps but with no markings on at all.
What I want to do is to print off the quadrants and laminate them to use by the scope.

I especially like your color versions you have done.

Regards Martin


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Re: Printable, mirror-reversed moon map? new [Re: Martin Farmer]
      #2691470 - 10/10/08 04:34 PM

like this the map look like the market one

I used a set of normal and reverse quarter map laminated from commerce about 14 inch side very good tool

jack 47'N71'W

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Re: Printable, mirror-reversed moon map? new [Re: Martin Farmer]
      #2691506 - 10/10/08 04:47 PM

Thanks for your work providing the lunar maps!! I have the Sky&*Tele laminated maps which are excellent, but this is great. These are some of the best maps I've seen.

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Re: Printable, mirror-reversed moon map? new [Re: JerryK]
      #2691836 - 10/10/08 08:39 PM

The unmarked maps are now up. I also added lakes (down to 40km). And I darkened the shadows behind the labels on the color versions. http://pruss.mobi/moon.html

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Coulter Odyssey 13.1" split-tube
Coulter Odyssey 8"
Home-made 7.8" F/4 dobsonian travel scope
Home-made 68mm F/5.3 achro (typically used as finder on 13.1")
Skymaster 15x70
BPTs4 8x30
32mm Plossl, 30mm Rini, 27mm Kellner, 13mm Hyperion, 6mm TMB/BO Planetary, Owl 2X Barlow
Palm TX with AstroInfo and RescoViewer


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Re: Printable, mirror-reversed moon map? new [Re: arpruss]
      #2692334 - 10/11/08 04:21 AM

Thanks for posting the plain maps.

But how did you manage to generate these superb maps Alexander?
I looked on the site you referenced and the data is shown in a rectangular format

Regards Martin


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Re: Printable, mirror-reversed moon map? new [Re: Martin Farmer]
      #2692560 - 10/11/08 09:47 AM

I do the initial projection from rectangular to ortho with Matthew's Map Software: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~arcus/mmps/ (Linux only, unfortunately). I then use a PerlMagick script to add the labels and circles.

I am working on a new version that labels features down to 20km (16km for 2000x2000 and up), but only when the labels won't bump into other labels, so hopefully readability will not be impacted.

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Coulter Odyssey 13.1" split-tube
Coulter Odyssey 8"
Home-made 7.8" F/4 dobsonian travel scope
Home-made 68mm F/5.3 achro (typically used as finder on 13.1")
Skymaster 15x70
BPTs4 8x30
32mm Plossl, 30mm Rini, 27mm Kellner, 13mm Hyperion, 6mm TMB/BO Planetary, Owl 2X Barlow
Palm TX with AstroInfo and RescoViewer


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Re: Printable, mirror-reversed moon map? new [Re: arpruss]
      #2692651 - 10/11/08 10:43 AM

New maps are now up. Two new features:
- labeling of smaller craters (when the labels fit)
- color maps have a color-elevation key in the lower right corner

The coverage is:
- includes all craters, mountains, seas and lakes whose diameter is 40km or bigger, and whose center is on earthside
- includes additional craters and mountains down to 20km (1500 and 1800 resolution) or 16km (2000 or 2500 resolution), when the labels for these can be made to fit without overlapping other labels

By the way, how does the detail level of these maps compare to the laminated S&T ones? Should I bother getting one of the S&T ones, or do I have all the detail I could want in these maps?

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Coulter Odyssey 13.1" split-tube
Coulter Odyssey 8"
Home-made 7.8" F/4 dobsonian travel scope
Home-made 68mm F/5.3 achro (typically used as finder on 13.1")
Skymaster 15x70
BPTs4 8x30
32mm Plossl, 30mm Rini, 27mm Kellner, 13mm Hyperion, 6mm TMB/BO Planetary, Owl 2X Barlow
Palm TX with AstroInfo and RescoViewer

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Re: Printable, mirror-reversed moon map? new [Re: arpruss]
      #2694169 - 10/12/08 03:37 AM

Excellent work, sir!

Many thanks.

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Re: Printable, mirror-reversed moon map? new [Re: arpruss]
      #2694725 - 10/12/08 12:24 PM

Quote:

how does the detail level of these maps compare to the laminated S&T ones?




You can see a piece of the Sky and Telescope Field Map of the Moon on the LPOD from April 16, 2006.

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Re: Printable, mirror-reversed moon map? new [Re: Jim Mosher]
      #2695297 - 10/12/08 07:02 PM

Jim:

Thanks. They did a nice job. There is only so much I can do with completely automated labeling, based on the center of the feature and the diameter.

Everybody:

I increased the size of the smallest labels by 20%. This makes things a bit more crowded, but also more readable.

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Coulter Odyssey 13.1" split-tube
Coulter Odyssey 8"
Home-made 7.8" F/4 dobsonian travel scope
Home-made 68mm F/5.3 achro (typically used as finder on 13.1")
Skymaster 15x70
BPTs4 8x30
32mm Plossl, 30mm Rini, 27mm Kellner, 13mm Hyperion, 6mm TMB/BO Planetary, Owl 2X Barlow
Palm TX with AstroInfo and RescoViewer


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Re: Printable, mirror-reversed moon map? new [Re: arpruss]
      #2699869 - 10/15/08 01:26 AM

I added versions with coordinate grids. I am not too happy with how the numbering on the grids looks. As before, http://pruss.mobi/moon.html

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Coulter Odyssey 13.1" split-tube
Coulter Odyssey 8"
Home-made 7.8" F/4 dobsonian travel scope
Home-made 68mm F/5.3 achro (typically used as finder on 13.1")
Skymaster 15x70
BPTs4 8x30
32mm Plossl, 30mm Rini, 27mm Kellner, 13mm Hyperion, 6mm TMB/BO Planetary, Owl 2X Barlow
Palm TX with AstroInfo and RescoViewer


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Re: Printable, mirror-reversed moon map? new [Re: arpruss]
      #2700546 - 10/15/08 01:07 PM

Hello Alexander

Any chance of the moon-grid-2000-nl-up.jpg without the text on but having the grid lines.

I printed it off on quadrants and laminated it at work its now 2 foot diameter

Thanks

Martin


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Re: Printable, mirror-reversed moon map? new [Re: Martin Farmer]
      #2700990 - 10/15/08 05:41 PM

Martin,

PM me your email address, and I'll send you one. I don't want to add any more variants to the site, unless other people request it.

Alex

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Coulter Odyssey 13.1" split-tube
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Re: Printable, mirror-reversed moon map? new [Re: arpruss]
      #2702030 - 10/16/08 10:08 AM

Hello Alexander,

You deserve a Medal of Lunar Honor for you efforts and then sharing your stunning results with us!

Thank You!

I'm only wondering if I can print it all out and laminate, or should I take it to Kinkos and have them do it?

Kind Regards,

Jerry

Edited by JerryK (10/16/08 10:20 AM)


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