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RichD
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Reged: 11/08/07
Posts: 160
Loc: Derbyshire, UK
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Hello all, after a pretty good night last night under the stars from a reasonably dark site (for this part of the world at this time of year!) i've put together a few thoughts and first impressions of these binos when used for astronomy. I hope you find this completely subjective non-scientific review to be of some value!
I have owned and used the old style (yellow trim) 16x70 fmt-sx for a while now and always wanted to try the 10x50 to use as a milkyway sweeping/large open cluster instrument. Many reviews on this site (notably those from Ron Harper) convinced me i wouldn't be disappointed with them. These sell for 612 UKP over here (around 1150 USD) so i decided to go with company7 and got a pair for 720 USD delivered + import duty and vat. Even with these extras, i saved around 175 pounds. First impressions are that this is a very mechanically sound bino. Chunky but still nice in the hand (i have large hands) and quite weighty at around 3 lbs.The cosmetics are quite different from the old style FMT and i must admit to a real fondness for the old yellow trim FMT's.The 10x50 FMT-SX come with a very sturdy nylon hard case, good strap,snug fitting objective covers and eyepiece guard. Superficially at least, the coatings on the newer version seem to reflect less light than the older version. Taking both outside i found that reflections of my face in full sunlight to show slightly more detail in the older coatings than the newer. I also noticed that the older coatings have a bluish cast to them, whereas the new shows green with very subtle purple (I warned you this would be non-scientific!). I have a relatively narrow IPD of 61mm, so with the 16x70 i unscrew the rubber eyecups just to give me a little extra nose-space.I found at the same IPD with the 10x50 this was unnecessary and could see the entire FOV with the eyecups folded down. I was very pleased with this and after using them for a while found the 10x50 to fit my face better than the 16x70. The eyepiece glass surface on the 10x50 is slightly wider than the 16x70 too.
Under the stars, the 10x50 is everything i had hoped for,a wide TFOV of 6 deg 30' (actually measured as 6 deg 45' by edz) and an AFOV of 70 deg is superb for sweeping the summer milkyway. What really impresses though is the sharpness and edge correction of these binoculars. On bright stars on axis there is very little flare, no false colour and this is the case 90% + out toward the edge. Fainter stars seem to be pin points at both the centre and the extreme edge.This aspect is where the 10x50 betters the 16x70. Stars focus down tighter and the field shows sharper stars further out from the centre. Contrast is also excellent, I managed to glimpse M51 last night with the half moon well up and in bright skies due to the long day length at this latitude. Star colours are also very noticeable, perhaps even more so then the 16x70. I thought Mu cephei showed marginally deeper red in the 10x50 - this though is very personal to each observer i believe.
Probably the surprise of the evening however was spotting NGC 7000 (north America nebula)just barely discernible, but there. Given the conditions last night i consider that to be astonishing. 
As the moon rose higher to spoil the party, i decided to test for false colour by placing the moon at various points in the FOV. On axis i saw none, and the only colour i saw at any point was when i placed the moon at the extreme top or bottom or side of the FOV where i noticed a very slight greenish yellow edge to the moon. Overall I would say these binos show negligible false colour. The contrast on the moon itself was excellent with some larger features being visible even at 10x braced.
I can wholeheartedly recommend the Fujinon 10x50 FMT-SX and I hope this review has been of some interest to you. I would also like to thank the members of this forum who have posted regarding these binos and helped me make the decision.
-------------------- Clear skies
Rich
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Wes James
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Reged: 04/12/06
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Thanks for the report, Rich.. and congratulations on the new addition! Glad you are as happy with yours as I am with mine.. they're truly a fine instrument.
-------------------- Wes
Atlantic Beach, FL
Some bino’s from Miyauchi 5x32 Binon's up through Garrett 20x110 Signature's,
Some telescopes from a Stellarvue 80mm NHNG up through a couple of 8” reflectors…
And a wonderful 4.25" Delmarva Shiefspiegler!
Some good friends, made here on C/N.
Oh- several cats and a wonderful wife!
Anyone want a cat???? :-O
"When your work speaks for itself- Don't Interrupt" -Gamble Rogers
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KennyJ
   
Reged: 04/27/03
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Loc: Lancashire UK
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Rich ,
Congratulaations on what I believe to be your first serious stab at a full - blown binocular review to this forum !
Congratulations also on having chosen a binocular so much to your liking , and for " successfully defeating " the overpricing system which continues to rule the roost in this country for binocular lovers .
I was particularly impressed by your seeing the outline of the North American nebula , especially at this time of year , when it never gets really dark .
I'm beginning to think that particular object is one of those like some used in those " brain teasers " that some people just cannot see no matter what ! :-)
In other words -- no matter when , where , what I look through or for how long -- it is simply something I just haven't EVER managed to see :-(
I would like to hear a little bit about how these binoculars perform in the daytime .
Kind Regards Kenny
-------------------- Two eyes and a preference to use both
Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera
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RichD
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Reged: 11/08/07
Posts: 160
Loc: Derbyshire, UK
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Hi Kenny,it's not much of a review i know! although a scientist by profession i know very little about optics except what i've managed to glean from this site.I'm always surprised by how un-scientific my posts read!
As for the North America nebula, well it was just barely detectable. Having seen it before in 16x70's made knowing exactly where and how to look easier I think. And although the moon was rising and we are near the solstice, it was very transparent air last night. I find any humidity in the air kills your chances of seeing this object.
As for daytime, they are wonderful binoculars. Probably should have mentioned in my review how well they perform by day. To me they appear very very sharp across the entire field. I think a bino that shows stars the way that it does (point like out to 90% + of the field) will appear almost perfect during the day, and so it is with these.At dusk last night i had some wonderful views across the peak district (near Parwich if you're interested), very bright, with good detail recognition given the low light.
There doesn't seem to be any false colour, and eye relief seems good - i know that is important for you Kenny. I'm fortunate to be able to disregard eye relief really as i don't wear glasses and i prefer to make contact with the binocular.Shoving my eyes into the oculars makes me feel more connected with the sky somehow.I saw no ghost images of the moon either no matter where i looked, but perhaps some sensitivity to stray light.
And i'm the same with those brain teasers - just can't see 'em!
-------------------- Clear skies
Rich
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ronharper
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Reged: 02/14/06
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Rich,
Thanks for the nice review, and glad you like the new 10x50. I was kinda holding my breath since if you didn't, it would have been my fault! I agree with your observations.
I think Fujinon coatings have been through several iterations since the original 95% transmitting FMT-SX was introduced.
I have what must be a really old 7x50, and all the coatings, including the prisms, are a simple green color. I wonder if those are the oldest.
I also have a new style 16x70, with bluish coatings that are similar, from your descriptions, to those on your old-style 16x70. I have read that sometimes makers update their coatings without advertisement, which catches up later(with Fujinon maybe never). On my 16x70, the eyepieces are green, similar to my old 7x50. And most puzzling and annoying, the coatings on the prisms don't look very good at all. They appear more reflective in the light over the shoulder test than those on my 7x50 by an obvious margin. What's up with that? Oh well, it's the views that count!
My 10x50 has the best looking coatings of the batch. Apparently you described the objectives, and I agree. The prisms show a dim rosy reflection. And the eyepieces show deep red. I like to think that the coatings are tailored to the different glass types as they ought to be for best performance, and thus appear different colors. They are all extremely dark and nonreflective looking, at least. If my old 7x50 really transmits 95%, what must the 10x50, with coatings that look a lot better, transmit?
This is all pretty trivial stuff I guess, but beautiful coatings are the closest thing to jewelry that I own!
Ron
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KennyJ
   
Reged: 04/27/03
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Loc: Lancashire UK
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Thanks for responding Rich .
I've actually STOPPED wearing glasses with binoculars for the time being ! :-)
What was of more concern to me was the level of Chromatic Aberration visible by day ( the 16 x 70 is notoriously poor in that regard ) .
I'm assuming that as you didn't even mention it , it must not be an issue ! :-)
I just wish I could look at SOMETHING through binoculars this week ! --
-- All we have had is rain , rain and more rain here in Cumbria for the past four days :-(
Kind regards Kenny
-------------------- Two eyes and a preference to use both
Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera
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GlenM
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Reged: 05/20/07
Posts: 798
Loc: 53° 36'N 2° 06'W
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We had 4'' of rain this afternoon just after the new tripod and mount arrived 
Rich:I wish I had the brains to write a review like that,well done.
Clear Skies.(only in Derbyshire I suppose)
-------------------- Glen
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Rick
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Reged: 04/12/05
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Loc: Tokyo, Japan
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Quote:
Fainter stars seem to be pin points at both the centre and the extreme edge.This aspect is where the 10x50 betters the 16x70. Stars focus down tighter and the field shows sharper stars further out from the centre.
I have read countless variations about how sharp/flat the field is with the 10x50 forcing me once again to go look through the dealer samples, yet I still walk away with the impression of FAR MORE field curvature in the 10x50 than I can see in the 16x70.
Perhaps I am just more sensitive to this aberration and need to spend time with the bino under the stars to learn to accomodate it.
I know when I first looked through a Nikon 18x70 I also felt the field curvature was excessive, but after spending time with the several samples I've owned I no longer noticed it.
clear skies, Rick
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ronharper
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Rick, The field correction of the 10x50 FMT sure beats that of the 7x50. But compared to the 16x70, the two are so close it's hard for me to say. My eyes feel so cramped on the 16x70 that I really don't bother much with the edge anyhow! Ron
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RichD
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Reged: 11/08/07
Posts: 160
Loc: Derbyshire, UK
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Hi Rick, I'm surprised you see more field curvature in the 10x50, perhaps as you say you are more sensitive - i know i am not particularly sensitive to CA.But for me the large flat field and finer view was the most obvious thing to notice over the 16x70.
Ron - your observations of the coatings exactly match mine, very interesting to hear that your new 16x70 has the blue coatings of my old 16x70, i had assumed that they would be the same as the 10x50.They are clearly different from the 10x50 which to my eyes at least reflect less light.Also interesting that your 7x50 has another type of coating - i have never seen a 7x50 FMT. What are the reflections like from those?
It would seem strange not to use the updated coatings on the new model 16x70?
But like you say, only the views matter.And don't worry, i wouldn't blame you if they didn't suit me!
Thanks for the responses.
-------------------- Clear skies
Rich
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DJB
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Reged: 02/23/05
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Hi all,
I do have a FUJI 7x50 FMT-SX--purchased in 1984, as I recall.
The coatings on these are distinctly green with daylight reflections. Guess things change over time. However, one can never know what the 13+ layers of coatings that some companies use by just looking at the reflected light (as has been discussed on this forum). After all, the process is a company's secret formulation. Just my observations and thoughts.
Best regards, Dave.
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EdZ
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Regards curvature:
ALL of the aberration in the FMT-SX 10x50 is curvature. Most all of the aberration in the FMT-SX 16x70 is curvature.
But comparing these two is comparing two of the top ten best binoculars for LEAST total aberration of any type, and two of the top ten for least curvature. So whether or not the 10x50 has slightly more than the 16x70, both have very little when compared to any other of 40-50 binoculars. So saying the 10x50 may have more curvature than the 16x70 isn't really saying it has much at all.
edz
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DJB
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Hi EdZ,
Your explanation of the binoculars being in the top of the field will surely put the curvature "degree" into the correct perspective.
None is best but does not exist in the real world; however, little to (almost) none illustrates well what you point out here. Thanks--good one.
Best regards, Dave.
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RichD
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Reged: 11/08/07
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Loc: Derbyshire, UK
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Thanks edz
-------------------- Clear skies
Rich
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