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rboe
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Fiske; I wonder if moisture going in and out had more to do with the bolts loosening up than the stresses. Finger nail polish or locktite should put and end to that straight away.
The chairs I've built used a mortise and tenon joint for that area - if that is a joint you want to try (I think your skill level is more than up to it).
-------------------- Ron
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Fiske
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GrayHound:
Seems like a good approach!
Ron:
Nope. It is definitely the torque from when I lean one way or another. I figure I need to come up with a stronger joint or use the SouthBeach diet solution...

I'm actually looking at building a different style chair. A lighter one based on BalticBirch plywood. I've seen some pictures of really nice versions of these (which I am going to borrow from liberally. ) You have probably seen the ones I'm referring to. Cat's Eye even offers a kit, I think.
Thanks for the vote of confidence on my fabrication ability. That is predicated, of course, on my ability to clean up my shop enough to actually work in it...
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Fiske Miles
Nikon 8x42 LX / 12x50 SE Binos
Mini Borg 60ED, TV-101, AT80Ach, XT-8, C11/CI-700, 22-Inch Dob
Way too many Nagler eyepieces
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jcjr
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How do you like that round seat? I've been thinking along those lines on my next chair - good to see you went and did it. 
Hi Ron
Have been accustomed to round conventional stools, and this one is about 12" diameter, like a lot of them. I figgered the round shape would 'feel about the same' if one were sitting at any angle thru a 180 degree arc on the stool. Maybe not that big a deal with a telescope seat, but possibly more useful as a general-duty shop seat which it might be good for as well.
Something not planned, but the column suffices not too bad as a 'semi reclining' back except when the seat is adjusted real high.
Wanted the column pretty narrow for the shop-use case, where a wide chair might be too hard to use. Also, I only had two old broomsticks, insufficient to make a wide seat frame (grin).
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If you go with a half lap or bridle joint at the top you can avoid the extra piece of wood. I think you could do with a smaller rear foot (strictly as weight savings) too unless you have real soft ground.
Thanks, will study on that.
New growth southern pine can be surprisingly light-weight, and it can be strong in big pieces. But I don't know enough about 'strength of materials' to skimp on such a relatively weak wood. New-growth pine is prone to split if it gets a mind to. Which is why the seat looks built like a tank. The seat isn't incredibly heavy, but didn't want to go to the bother of building just to have it break.
Initially planned a three-point support with no back foot. But after building it, I adjusted the seat to the top rung and intentionally played the fool leaning dangerously in all directions. Seemed risky not to support it wider in the back. If one made a sufficiently foolish maneuver with no back foot, the seat would be happy to dump the occupant. But a shorter back foot might work just as well as the wide one.
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Can you post more details on how the seat locks into the frame? Looks like something worth stealing. 
I was emulating other folks' removable-seat astro chairs, but hadn't found a good picture of what their locking mechanism looked like. So was copying what I imagined it must look like. A much better shape could probably be thunk up.
So here are details, and apologies if it is too lengthy painful detail. I don't know much about this stuff, so 'its all new to me' and I don't know what is or is not obvious.
Decided that a 24" front foot is as wide as would be convenient to tote out a 36" door. Looked up the height adjustment range of some commercial seats.
Used basic geometry to figure the depth of the chair to make a 24" equilateral triangle. Then solved another simple right-triangle problem to arrive at the length of the column pieces, to monkey-see-monkey-do the adjustment range of a commercial seat.
Cut the column pieces and tacked em together at the correct angle. Drew a line down the middle of the angled column piece. The seat main piece is doubled 2X4's, so laid a 2X4 on the angle column 'horizontal to the base'. Cut two little pieces of broomstick and drew X's thru them. Set the broomstick pieces on the center line on each side of the 2X4 and measured the distance between dowel centers. Then clamped both columns together and drilled all the holes that distance.
After the frame was assembled, I cut the doubled 2X4 'core' for the seat, long enough to have space at the top-back for a 2X2 'stop piece' behind the top dowel, and long enough to extend out the front for 13" to make room for the 12" round seat. I just set a 2X4 in the gap, adjusted it until a 2X2 block would sit behind the top dowel, then measured 13" out from the front for the seat.
Then drew markings of where the seat 'core' would hit the bottom dowel. Cut a staight line with the bandsaw, with a radius on both ends of the cut, so the cut line would end right before the bottom dowel position. Wanted to leave the back at least 2" thick, because perhaps a lot of strain can happen back there after a feller who weighs an eighth of a ton sits on it (grin).
I cut 1X4 pieces angled to sit on both sides of the doubled-2X4 core, so they would bear on the frame and not put all the weight on the top and bottom dowels. Then laminated 2X2 'wings' on both sides of that, and cut it into a circle with a jigsaw. Routed the top edge with a 3/8" roundoff bit.
This is the part which failed due to the polyurethane glue, probably my fault somehow. So the 7 plugs on both sides, cover 3" counter-sunk screws reinforcing the repair joint of TiteBond III. Since the inside core pieces were also glued with polyurethane, that is why there are extra screws also visible on the lower part of the seat. I didn't bother to cover those with plugs. Hopefully the center pieces don't get as much stress and the polyurethane will hold, but no tellin.
Here are pics of the front, side, back of the seat.



Here is mating detail, side and top.


Apologies for such a long-winded message.
-------------------- CPC 1100, C102SLT, SV F80, Meade 70 & 60 AZT
Q70 38mm, Pan24, Meade 5K 18mm UW, Axiom LX 15mm, Nagler 13T6, Axiom LX 10mm, Expanse 20mm, 9mm, 6mm, BO/TMB 5mm, 2.5mm
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llanitedave
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That's a beautiful piece of work. Well, they all are!
I'll definitely have to build one based on these here, but I don't expect mine to look nearly as purty.
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Homebuilt 10" dob, old Coulter mirror.
16" Royce conical mirror: Construction on S.O.E. (Sauron's Other Eye) has officially begun!
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rboe
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I did this one a couple years ago. Similar but pretty different.
-------------------- Ron
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rboe
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You can see the interlocking teeth to lock the seat in height. You're is much easier to build! I'm finding I don't need nearly the adjustable freedom the teeth give me - if you get the sweet spot right in the first place.
My latest gets away from the ladder style and goes with a cross foot print not unlike an office chair - minus the wheels.
-------------------- Ron
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rboe
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Dave; I've been toying with the idea of a plywood based chair. I'd use something similar to the first posted chair to adjust the height (using a wavey pattern verses the half circles) but a foot print instead of the ladder or A frame that is popular. Mainly because I really like not having that rear leg swinging around.
I'd also like to find an old plastic stacking chair and use the plastic shell for the seat. Those are pretty comfortable!
-------------------- Ron
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Fiske
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Ron:
Nice! You built that yourself?? 
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Fiske Miles
Nikon 8x42 LX / 12x50 SE Binos
Mini Borg 60ED, TV-101, AT80Ach, XT-8, C11/CI-700, 22-Inch Dob
Way too many Nagler eyepieces
http://www.fiskemiles.blogspot.com/
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Fiske
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Have been accustomed to round conventional stools, and this one is about 12" diameter, like a lot of them.
This would also reduce the torque. I also like the idea of it doing double duty in the shop. "But Honey, this isn't an astronomy project. I need it for the shop so I can build our library bookcases...
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Fiske Miles
Nikon 8x42 LX / 12x50 SE Binos
Mini Borg 60ED, TV-101, AT80Ach, XT-8, C11/CI-700, 22-Inch Dob
Way too many Nagler eyepieces
http://www.fiskemiles.blogspot.com/
www.fiskemiles.com
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rboe
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Fiske; yup, turning these darn things into a niche. 
I'm afraid my advise on torque may not be so good as I'm a light weight if lanky fellow and have never had the torque issue. On the other hand I have had some rather big guys use my chairs and they all seemed to up to the task.
In the chair above the main armature slides into the base and is quite robust. Not seen in the first photo but the main armature there goes into a mortise and tenon joint with a rather massive glued up mahogany front foot.
Solid wood is all very nice looking but the darn things weight more than I'd like at times. So I'm looking at a smaller plywood unit with perhaps only three heights to it so I can use it as my grab and go chair in the back yard.
Both chairs pictured make for great sittin' chairs while shooting the bull as you wait for darkness. 
First chair - maple and mahogany, second chair is cherry.
-------------------- Ron
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jcjr
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Ron, the designs look very artistic, and the workmanship is impeccable! It is awesome you could make so many identical-looking linear teeth. I'd never finish... Get partway thru and completely screw it up, have to start over again on a new piece.
If you were mentioning solid-wood weight re the legs-- Hardwood is so strong, wonder if that would be a good place for maybe half-inch hardwood laminated on big blocks of foam? It would still have the massive attractive appearance, and maybe be plenty strong, but a lot lighter?
-------------------- CPC 1100, C102SLT, SV F80, Meade 70 & 60 AZT
Q70 38mm, Pan24, Meade 5K 18mm UW, Axiom LX 15mm, Nagler 13T6, Axiom LX 10mm, Expanse 20mm, 9mm, 6mm, BO/TMB 5mm, 2.5mm
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rboe
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A V-bit, router and a jig and one sore back later the teeth are pretty easy. Not so easy as I'd like so I'm looking for a better way - if only to avoid the sore back. 
Had not thought about a foam core for the feet. That's not a bad idea at all. I was not worried about the massive look but hey; good looks is what we're after most the time - right below comfort - so this is something to keep in mind.
Thanks!
-------------------- Ron
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marcink
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You guys have too fancy scrap material imo. This is a REAL scrap bin chair, poor man's solution.
-------------------- Homemade 8" f/5.9 newt on dobsonian mount
Currently converting it into a suitcase scope.
Edited by marcink (07/05/08 01:18 PM)
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rboe
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That is an interesting chair there. Just how in the heck is that seat built? Is it tippy when the seat gets low? How to you attach the lower strut brace to the leg? And finally; how to you remove the seat for storage or transport?
There is some scrap in my chairs, but not much.
-------------------- Ron
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marcink
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The seat is made out of 2x1, 12x1 and some 1x1s glued together and it just slides off the bottom for storage. It does get tippy when very low, but you can balance it, pressing your back against the chair. The strut brace is attached to the leg with just a screw and it's fastened with a bolt lock on the other side. I've been using it for two years now, so far so good
-------------------- Homemade 8" f/5.9 newt on dobsonian mount
Currently converting it into a suitcase scope.
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rboe
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Two years already?! You've been holding back!
-------------------- Ron
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jcjr
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Marcin, that is a slick elegantly simple design!
After using my chair a couple of times, it is a whole lot better than not having an adjustable chair.
Since mine wasn't intended to be fold-up portable, and it isn't likely to tip over, obvious convenience improvements would be a drink holder, and possibly an eyepiece rack somewhere on the side.
-------------------- CPC 1100, C102SLT, SV F80, Meade 70 & 60 AZT
Q70 38mm, Pan24, Meade 5K 18mm UW, Axiom LX 15mm, Nagler 13T6, Axiom LX 10mm, Expanse 20mm, 9mm, 6mm, BO/TMB 5mm, 2.5mm
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marcink
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Well, my design is for people with nerves of steel. Every time I sit on it, it makes a loud "crrreeeeek!" sound  Having an astrochair makes huge difference in observing. It is so comfortable now - saves your back and allows you to observe longer. Everyone should get/make one. Regards
-------------------- Homemade 8" f/5.9 newt on dobsonian mount
Currently converting it into a suitcase scope.
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