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RRaubach
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Astronomy magazine content.
      #2498268 - 07/03/08 09:03 PM

As a sidebar to Rod Mollise's article on the astronomy magazines:

Sometimes the content is there, but important information is "Tombstoned," and unless one reads carefully, doesn't receive the attention that it should.

On the other hand, sensationalism (very speculative) reigns.

Case in point, July issue of Astronomy; article: "Are we looking for life in the right places?" I really get tired of this question, and the usual hand waving that it generates. The astrobiologists need to ask this question of some of the top tier organic and inorganic chemists for their answers. Much of the speculation would vanish, since CHEMISTRY RULES in this arena. Silicon chemistry is very difficult to perform under lab conditions, and temperature problems tend to be minimized in these discussions (or maybe the laws of thermodynamics temporarily suspended).

Then, in the same issue, a two sentence report of the discovery of aminoacetonitrile in a gas cloud near the galactic center! Sentence 2: "Scientists think the molecule is a direct precursor to the amino acid glycine." There is no "think" about it; it IS a direct precursor to glycine. Aminoacetonitrile and (gasp!) WATER (2 moles of water, to be exact) yield a mole of glycine, and a mole of ammonia. To me, this is a very significant discovery. Nitriles are a general intermediate in the synthesis of carboxylic acids; I predict that in a relatively short time, other nitriles will be discovered that will be the chemical precursors to alanine, leucine, valine , and others.

I prefer to focus on real science, and not speculation. I seldom buy Astronomy or Sky 'n' 'Scope anymore. This has only happened recently. I do like to have bathroom reading material, tho'.

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David Knisely
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Re: Astronomy magazine content. new [Re: RRaubach]
      #2498598 - 07/04/08 01:10 AM

Quote:

As a sidebar to Rod Mollise's article on the astronomy magazines:

Sometimes the content is there, but important information is "Tombstoned," and unless one reads carefully, doesn't receive the attention that it should.

On the other hand, sensationalism (very speculative) reigns.

Case in point, July issue of Astronomy; article: "Are we looking for life in the right places?" I really get tired of this question, and the usual hand waving that it generates. The astrobiologists need to ask this question of some of the top tier organic and inorganic chemists for their answers. Much of the speculation would vanish, since CHEMISTRY RULES in this arena. Silicon chemistry is very difficult to perform under lab conditions, and temperature problems tend to be minimized in these discussions (or maybe the laws of thermodynamics temporarily suspended).

Then, in the same issue, a two sentence report of the discovery of aminoacetonitrile in a gas cloud near the galactic center! Sentence 2: "Scientists think the molecule is a direct precursor to the amino acid glycine." There is no "think" about it; it IS a direct precursor to glycine. Aminoacetonitrile and (gasp!) WATER (2 moles of water, to be exact) yield a mole of glycine, and a mole of ammonia. To me, this is a very significant discovery. Nitriles are a general intermediate in the synthesis of carboxylic acids; I predict that in a relatively short time, other nitriles will be discovered that will be the chemical precursors to alanine, leucine, valine , and others.

I prefer to focus on real science, and not speculation. I seldom buy Astronomy or Sky 'n' 'Scope anymore. This has only happened recently. I do like to have bathroom reading material, tho'.




I think ASTRONOMY magazine has almost always included some more "speculative" material. I recall getting one of the very first issues when the magazine started up, and one of the main articles was, "The Zeta Reticuli Incident" (Dec. 1974 issue). Sky and Telescope has tended to stay away from that level of "journalism", although it is wavering a bit with some of the current issues. Face it, their job is to sell magazines and not necessarily to "sell scientific astronomy". Clear skies to you.

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Re: Astronomy magazine content. new [Re: David Knisely]
      #2498664 - 07/04/08 02:04 AM

This thread would be a better fit in Stellar Media.

So there it will go.

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Re: Astronomy magazine content. new [Re: llanitedave]
      #2500037 - 07/04/08 09:26 PM

I see these threads poke up from time to time, and I've given it a lot of thought myself. There are a few basic problems with these "good ole' days" ideas.

First, magazines are not and never were intended to be all things to all people. They stand in between the instantly-stale newspaper and the more permanent book. Their purpose is primarily to expose readers to a broader range of subjects than simply reading books would allow, and to do so in more depth than a daily newspaper column could. As such, they always have to balance the need to be current with the need to be timeless, while at the same time striking a balance between being too deep and too shallow, nor can they afford to be too narrow in a wide field such as astronomy.

It is all fine and good to complain about how things used to be better, but the world doesn't stay the same. New technologies change people. There are books about how Google makes people stupid - the average person can no longer read a complex argument without losing track. Early exposure to media makes multitasking more common and constant, and thus attention spans are down. Magazines have to fit into this new (admittedly worse) situation - they must reach the readers who are there.

Page count is probably the most deceptive measurement to use. The real measure would be pages of content vs. pages of advertising, and I'd bet the ratio is relatively unchanged from the "grand days" of the past. Advertising revenues are down for print media as more money gets caught up in online advertising. Whether such advertising is more effective is for the bean counters to consider, but the reality is that the 'Net is taking dollars away from what used to be the only real game in town for telescope companies.

Online delivery is, for the most part, a joke. Amateur Astronomy offers a $2 discount if you go online only. I find it hard to believe that printing and mailing of 4 issues costs just $0.50/issue. The RASC Journal is perhaps more honest, charging a hefty $20+ for printed pages compared to the online version.

The only real question to ask today is the same one that has always been asked: Are you getting value for your money? If the magazines have nothing to offer you, or what they offer you is so poor in comparison to the price, your decision is obvious. I have found that for topics that interest me, there are high-quality, recently published books that cover these subjects in far greater depth exist. I also find that in many cases, I would not have discovered an interest in these topics if not for those magazines that are supposedly so lacking. So the magazines fulfill their purpose by giving me exposure to many different aspects of the hobby.

I suspect that few who complain about the magazines have tried their hand even at creating a simple newsletter, and those that have realize that the task is far harder than it appears. Still, the difficulty in creating your own magazine today is vastly lower than what it was even a decade ago, and publishing online is a viable option to test-market a concept. Good luck to all who try.

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Re: Astronomy magazine content. new [Re: Scott Regener]
      #2501194 - 07/05/08 04:33 PM

you Know? I agree with this. Sure going "digital" is a great option and does good to the environment but then you compare the prices and really, you aren't saving anything. (moneywise)

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howard
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Re: Astronomy magazine content. new [Re: Magellan]
      #2501718 - 07/05/08 10:09 PM

I do not agree that creating one's own newsletter is a prerequisite to critiquing these magazines. No more than thinking my professional work can only be critiqued by others in my profession. The quality of S&T has noticeably declined over a relatively short period of time, both the quality of the physical construction of the mag and the quality (and quantity) of the content. In my opinion, this will hurt their sales more than raising prices, but I am sure they have the marketing gurus to prove me wrong.

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Re: Astronomy magazine content. new [Re: Magellan]
      #2506075 - 07/08/08 11:11 AM

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you Know? I agree with this. Sure going "digital" is a great option and does good to the environment but then you compare the prices and really, you aren't saving anything. (moneywise)




For me, it wouldn't be about saving money. It would be about saving space. I'm coming to a point past which the storage of old magazine issues will be more trouble than it's worth. PDF versions of the publications I enjoy reading would be a way around this.

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howard
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Re: Astronomy magazine content. new [Re: desertstars]
      #2508460 - 07/09/08 12:50 PM

I have been bashing the mags a bit, particularly S&T, so I feel compelled to mention two articles in S&T that I really enjoyed. One was on the historical research into when and where Caesar invaded England and the other was Patterson's article on microlensing and sudden brightening of a star first detected by amateurs. Both of these were well-written, educational, and to some degree involved amateurs and professionals working together. Neither were rife with speculation about things veering off into pseudoscience. Of course somebody at the ST website blogged about how irrelevant the Caesar story was, but I disagree as there was much basic astronomy in the article.

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