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Unusual Shadow in Lunar Crater new
      #2510175 - 07/10/08 09:31 AM Attachment (62 downloads)

While observing the Moon last night, I was looking at the northern part of the terminator and noticed a fairly large crater with a mostly shadow-filled floor... except for a narrow wedge of greyish light running across it's midsection. It was a most remarkable sight!
I'd been taking some images a few minutes earlier and unknowingly captured it in the one shown below. The crater is in the extreme upper left corner and the "thin grey wedge" can just be seen.
What crater is it?
Has anybody else here noticed this lighting effect before??
Thanks for your insights!

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Re: Unusual Shadow in Lunar Crater new [Re: Clive Gibbons]
      #2510178 - 07/10/08 09:32 AM Attachment (41 downloads)

A bit closer crop...

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Re: Unusual Shadow in Lunar Crater new [Re: Clive Gibbons]
      #2510280 - 07/10/08 10:28 AM

Im stumped on that,Clive.
If there was a bridge nearby I would tell you straight away.
It seems? to be in the Meton/Neison region. Hard to tell with these shadows isnt it.

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Re: Unusual Shadow in Lunar Crater new [Re: Clive Gibbons]
      #2510309 - 07/10/08 10:48 AM Attachment (18 downloads)

Hi Clive,
interesting phenomenon! I think it is Barrow.

- I calibrated your photo into Jim Mosher's Lunar Terminator Visualization Tool (assuming the time of shooting 10th July 2008 at 04.00 UT, colongitude being 353.917). Labelled some features there.

Barrow has distinctive formation, as can be seen from this Lunar orbiter pic of Barrow.

Hope this helps - sorry I cannot explain more of this! Anyhow, here's a link to a somewhat similar observation... and a link to LPOD May 13, 2008 with explanations by Chuck Wood and Jim Mosher...

Be well - and thanks for sharing this interesting pic with us!

EDIT: added the LPOD link info

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Edited by Mare Nectaris (07/10/08 11:13 AM)


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Re: Unusual Shadow in Lunar Crater new [Re: Mare Nectaris]
      #2510344 - 07/10/08 11:09 AM

Thanks very much, Timo!

Yes, it's Barrow crater.
Those links describe and illustrate the effect very well.

The shaft of grazing illumination across it's floor was most unusual to see. Very cool.

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Re: Unusual Shadow in Lunar Crater new [Re: Clive Gibbons]
      #2510557 - 07/10/08 12:52 PM

Barrow was my 3rd guess
Was I in the right hemisphere?

Barty.

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Re: Unusual Shadow in Lunar Crater new [Re: Mr Onions]
      #2510756 - 07/10/08 02:18 PM

Yes!
The northern hemisphere.


P.s., you're also currently in the northern hemisphere, but not the Moon's.
How's the Tyneside weather today?

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Re: Unusual Shadow in Lunar Crater new [Re: Clive Gibbons]
      #2512013 - 07/11/08 01:03 AM Attachment (24 downloads)

Clive,

A little after the time you were out photographing crater Barrow, I was sketching it. It really was a nice show with the six and half degrees of positive latitude libration. Note that crater Scorsby M a little further north also had a floor sunrise ray.

Frank


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Re: Unusual Shadow in Lunar Crater new [Re: frank5817]
      #2512146 - 07/11/08 04:05 AM

I've seen and imaged these sorts of sunrise rays a few times, they can look quite eerie, almost ghostly.

PS: great sketch Frank

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Re: Unusual Shadow in Lunar Crater new [Re: Stephen65]
      #2512192 - 07/11/08 05:43 AM

I was out last night viewing the moon, and saw it as well.

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Re: Unusual Shadow in Lunar Crater new [Re: frank5817]
      #2512369 - 07/11/08 09:06 AM

Lovely sketch, Frank!
That shows the effect very well.

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Re: Unusual Shadow in Lunar Crater new [Re: Clive Gibbons]
      #2512385 - 07/11/08 09:16 AM

Stephen, Fred and Clive,

Thank you for the kind words.

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Re: Unusual Shadow in Lunar Crater new [Re: frank5817]
      #2513083 - 07/11/08 03:13 PM

Frank - that is a beautiful sketch!

Thanks for sharing - be well!

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Re: Unusual Shadow in Lunar Crater new [Re: Mare Nectaris]
      #2513878 - 07/11/08 11:08 PM Attachment (14 downloads)

Here's a three-fingered ray in Meton D that I caught last year.
(17 October 2007, 1055UT)

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Edited by Stephen65 (07/11/08 11:09 PM)


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Re: Unusual Shadow in Lunar Crater new [Re: Stephen65]
      #2515136 - 07/12/08 04:12 PM

Very neat Clive.

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Re: Unusual Shadow in Lunar Crater [Re: LivingNDixie]
      #2515383 - 07/12/08 06:55 PM

Timo-- Thank you and you are welcome

Stephen--- Excellent image of the sun rays on Meton D. There is something about the sun rays on a crater floor that is mostly in darkness that really wakes me up.

Frank


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