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jcjr
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I bought Arowana's CPC 1100, and Joey said that it is customary to post a first-light report.
Joey had expertly accessorized the scope. Am impressed how 'brand-new' condition the thing is in. I'm not intentionally careless, but find it practically impossible to keep things as 'mint' as Joey had his 1100.
Here is his ad description:
18 month old CPC 1100 with Starbright XLT coating's Fully flocked interior tube Astro-physics 2" Visual Back ADM Counterweight system with two weights ADM guidescope upper rail Feathertouch Micro Focuser Astrozap Flexible Soft and Black Hard Dew Sheilds Cosmic One Cat Cooler 120v Wall plug and 12v cord Starzonia Piggyback Power Supply Nexremote Software 2 Sets of Bob's Knobs secondary collimation thumbscrews 9x50 RA finder with bracket New Telrad- used once
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I had got feet wet with a C102 SLT six months ago. Experimented on it a lot with modifications and enhancements. Have enjoyed the C102 and got good performance considering the price. But there are limits to what a 4" scope can pick out of the backyard light pollution.
Looked like a C11's size would reach the upper limits of my masochism. Decided a GEM mount would be too much hassle to polar align every session. For one thing, half of the year I can't even see Polaris thru the back woods. So the alt-az CPC 1100 looks close to an ideal spec.
The C102 SLT mount works nicely, but is somewhat wobbly even on the heavier stand I made. Trip over a tripod leg in the dark, realignment had to be re-done. Adjust focus, then wait several seconds for the scope to quit shaking.
The CPC 1100 seems remarkably steady. Very unlikely to get disturbed by a bump. Very little shake, even at high power.
From experience with the SLT, I had assumed that because the little SLT mount had been designed just barely strong enough to avoid falling down-- Had expected that the bigger Celestron mounts would be (obviously) stronger, but still designed according to a 'minimally adequate' engineering mindset. But the CPC 1100 tripod and mount seem very stiff-- Built to a much higher spec than 'minimally adequate to avoid falling down'.
Did a three-star alignment and it tracked great for 5 hours. A few times I'd center on a known object and click 'align' to let it replace one of the reference stars and automatically update the alignment. That is a nice feature. It seemed to keep the alignment 'spot on' over the night, but perhaps would have worked just as good without occasionally freshening the alignment.
The GOTO on the C102 SLT was pretty good, but the CPC GOTO seems more accurate. The CPC object database is much larger too. The sparser object database in the SLT is probably well matched to that smaller telescope-- Even with the stripped-down database, there are plenty of objects in the SLT database that the scope just can't see (at least in my light pollution).
Had not found many fuzzies with the C102. GOTO a messier, and study the field carefully, and see exactly... nothing.
The back yard doesn't have too many trees. It just has too little sky. Anyway, of the deepsky objects not obstructed by trees, every GOTO yielded something recognizable.
The sky must have been pretty steady. Views were not real 'wavy'. The 1100 was tolerating pretty high magnification. Was watching M3 awhile at 560X, which was a pretty clear view filling the AFOV. Never even saw M3 in the C102. Not even a smudge.
I expected perhaps 300X before the view falls apart. Seeing a 'non-annoying' view above 500X was surprising. Maybe it was beginners luck, and will have to wait a long time for a repeat performance of air that steady?
-------------------- CPC 1100, C102SLT, SV F80, Meade 70 & 60 AZT
Q70 38mm, Pan24, Meade 5K 18mm UW, Axiom LX 15mm, 10mm, 7mm, Nagler 13T6, Expanse 20mm, 9mm, 6mm, BO/TMB 5mm, 2.5mm
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JShrum
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Congratulations on the new scope and welcome to the CPC / Nexstar club! Sounds like an excellent first light and I hope you get skies that steady often. Here it is a rare night to push 500x.
Clear Skies...
-------------------- Jeff Shrum
Bay City, MI
CPC 1100 XLT
WO 2" Crayford 2-speed Focuser
OPT 2" Dielectric Diagonal
Sunset Astronomical Society
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Psyire
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You got a great scope there, glad it's working out for ya. I'm envious of your sky conditions, usually it's a treat if I can pull much more than 200x where I'm at.
-------------------- Celestron CPC 1100 XLT, Sky-Watcher Equinox 80ED
TV 31T5-Nagler, 8&13mm-Ethos
EarthWin Binoviewers w/ 24mm Panoptics
Elusive Photons.com
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jcjr
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Thanks
No need to envy my sky, though. Smoky Mtn haze and more trees than sky. Guess I just got really lucky with steady air on the first time out. The CPC 1100 shows a lot of stars from the back yard, but very few are visible to the naked eye. Milky Way visible to the naked eye? No way! Never.
-------------------- CPC 1100, C102SLT, SV F80, Meade 70 & 60 AZT
Q70 38mm, Pan24, Meade 5K 18mm UW, Axiom LX 15mm, 10mm, 7mm, Nagler 13T6, Expanse 20mm, 9mm, 6mm, BO/TMB 5mm, 2.5mm
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WNCAGC
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I like jcjr living in the mountains of NC will see a bunch of haze! The mountains are known for it's foggy almost "Smokey" like appearance in the air.
jcjr...........which part of TN are you in? I am just north of Asheville and want to head up to Mt. Pisgah one night when my 1100 gets here to get some nice views I hope.
Just drop me a line if your near.
-------------------- CPC 1100 XLT "The Big Monster"
Power Tank 17
NexImager
2" Smart Astronomy 10:1 dual speed Crayford focuser
2" Smart Astronomy Dielectric diagonal
2" Smart Astronomy 2x Barlow
2" Baader SCOPOS 35 mm prototype EP
Baader Hyperion zoom EP 8-24mm
Celestron dew shield
Bob's Knobs
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jcjr
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Hi Mike
I'm in Chattanooga, possibly the ankle of the foothills, if the toes are down in NE Georgia somewhere (grin). Smokies have some of the prettiest scenery IMO.
Could find fairly dark skies without travelling too far from here. Just a matter of overcoming lazyness to do it.
As a joke I told the wife I was gonna cut a big hole in the roof and build a dome up there, to see over the trees. But had to stop the joke prematurely before she had a seizure (grin).
But an elevated deck coming off the second floor, she kinda likes that idea. So eventually that might open up a little more sky. Ain't gonna chainsaw any trees.
-------------------- CPC 1100, C102SLT, SV F80, Meade 70 & 60 AZT
Q70 38mm, Pan24, Meade 5K 18mm UW, Axiom LX 15mm, 10mm, 7mm, Nagler 13T6, Expanse 20mm, 9mm, 6mm, BO/TMB 5mm, 2.5mm
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WNCAGC
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I hear you. I either go on my side deck overlooking the valley or in my front drive to get views on the other side of my house.
Mt. Pisgah is definitely on my list since I believe the local astronomy club goes up there.
Good luck with the observatory ie. second floor deck! 
Oh yeah...............clear skys!
-------------------- CPC 1100 XLT "The Big Monster"
Power Tank 17
NexImager
2" Smart Astronomy 10:1 dual speed Crayford focuser
2" Smart Astronomy Dielectric diagonal
2" Smart Astronomy 2x Barlow
2" Baader SCOPOS 35 mm prototype EP
Baader Hyperion zoom EP 8-24mm
Celestron dew shield
Bob's Knobs
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Your next First Light will be from a dark sky site. Things you can't see now (possibly M110) or just barely (M51) will suddenly pop into view. I found M110 to still be a challenge but M51 brought out details in the arms. M42 - huge!
You have an extremely well thought out kit there. I suspect an eye piece in the 23-28mm range will be your bread and butter but when the seeing is great you could dip into something around 8mm.
You need a chair and a tarp/ground cloth - unless you have already scored on them. Small camp tray to hold a wee bit of gear. Drag the wife out for Jupiter (might be too late for Saturn but that is a sure fire smile getter).
Going from 102 to 11" is going to be a revelation. I went from 70mm to 11" so I have an idea of the leap you made. 
Warning; going to 16" is not nearly so earth shattering.
-------------------- Ron
NS11GPS
Pronto
16" dob
15X70 Obies
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jcjr
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Perhaps the biggest priority is a case.
Before meeting the 1100 'in person', was hoping that it would fit in an old wheeled Anvil case which long ago I used for toting music keyboards. But that case turned out not quite big enough.
Have seen pictures of scope cases that look like accordion cases or sea trunks-- Where the scope lays prone encased in foam. But the 1100 is heavy enough that it wouldn't necessarily be ergonomic... Open a padded case and see Mr. 65 pound CPC reclining down at ground level waiting to be hoisted up. An old guy might fry a disk struggling the heavy scope upright from so low on the ground.
If the tripod spreader is loosened and rotated so that the tripod can fold, but the tripod is still standing vertical-- The height and footprint of the tripod is similar to the height and footprint of the 1100.
Possibly it would be useful to make a wheeled road case long and tall enough to hold both the 1100 and the collapsed tripod standing vertical, standing side-by-side? It could have anvil-style removable sides. Or perhaps two sides and the top would swing back on piano hinges.
Another common anvil design involves a shallow bottom-box which mates with a tall top-box (which lifts entirely off). That is pretty common ferinstance on guitar amp road cases. However, on a case big enough for the 1100, dunno if I'd routinely want to be lifting the top half of the box up high enough to clear the scope. Piano hinges sound pretty good right now.
Wheel the case into position and swing out the sides. Lift out the tripod and extend it, then do a clean jerk on the 1100 to get it up on the tripod? Might be convenient.
Have there been discussions on this forum about 'convenience' cases?
-------------------- CPC 1100, C102SLT, SV F80, Meade 70 & 60 AZT
Q70 38mm, Pan24, Meade 5K 18mm UW, Axiom LX 15mm, 10mm, 7mm, Nagler 13T6, Expanse 20mm, 9mm, 6mm, BO/TMB 5mm, 2.5mm
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Psyire
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I have the JMI case. It's a bit pricey, but worth every penny IMO.
-------------------- Celestron CPC 1100 XLT, Sky-Watcher Equinox 80ED
TV 31T5-Nagler, 8&13mm-Ethos
EarthWin Binoviewers w/ 24mm Panoptics
Elusive Photons.com
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rboe
   
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I just plunk the scope in the bottom half of the foam it was shipped in. Cheap, works - but only in my car.
-------------------- Ron
NS11GPS
Pronto
16" dob
15X70 Obies
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Congrats on first light!
I bought my JMI case used, much cheaper than new - it was a bit beat up already, but then that's what its there for, to take the abuse instead of the scope. Unfortunately I think it's hard to find these cases used unless as part of a scope-for-sale package.
-------------------- Astro-Tech AT111EDT f/7 - Celestron CGEM
NexStar 11 GPS
Orion SkyView Pro 8EQ (w/ Autostar mod)
15x70 Celestron SkyMasters
Orion 90mm Mak
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Barry C
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Quote:
I have the JMI case. It's a bit pricey, but worth every penny IMO.
Ditto on the JMI case. It makes the scope very easy to wheel around, with its soft pneumatic tires. Lifting it out is easier than it might seem - it goes straight from the case to the tripod. The case is quite rigid and sturdy.
Barry
-------------------- CPC 1100 XLT
Moonlite Dual Rate Focuser
TV 2" Everbrite Diagonal
31T5, 22T4, 17E, 13E
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jcjr
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Thanks
Those JMI cases look good. Especially if one travels with the scope a lot. For curiosity, does anyone know if the JMI soft tripod bag is big enough to hold the CPC tripod?
A travel kit might be 3 or 4 cases-- scope, tripod, and either one big case or two smaller cases for EP's, finder, battery, hand control, yadda yadda? No individual case would be incredibly heavy to schlep into the vehicle.
For mostly-home use, dunno if that is the most convenient. Using the C102 SLT, nothing in the kit was big or heavy, but it involved several trips from the basement to the backyard, carrying relatively small items on each trip. It might be more convenient to wheel one pretty big box out there, which contains everything.
-------------------- CPC 1100, C102SLT, SV F80, Meade 70 & 60 AZT
Q70 38mm, Pan24, Meade 5K 18mm UW, Axiom LX 15mm, 10mm, 7mm, Nagler 13T6, Expanse 20mm, 9mm, 6mm, BO/TMB 5mm, 2.5mm
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rlalum
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Yes it does hold the tripod, but not the spreader/accessory tray.
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Psyire
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There's a company that makes a tripod case for the CPC tripod that will hold the spreader as well. I forget the name off hand, but they also make soft cases for Celestron and Meade scopes.
-------------------- Celestron CPC 1100 XLT, Sky-Watcher Equinox 80ED
TV 31T5-Nagler, 8&13mm-Ethos
EarthWin Binoviewers w/ 24mm Panoptics
Elusive Photons.com
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Barry C
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Quote:
Those JMI cases look good. Especially if one travels with the scope a lot. For curiosity, does anyone know if the JMI soft tripod bag is big enough to hold the CPC tripod?
A travel kit might be 3 or 4 cases-- scope, tripod, and either one big case or two smaller cases for EP's, finder, battery, hand control, yadda yadda? No individual case would be incredibly heavy to schlep into the vehicle.
I use a padded tripod case from Pacific Design that is made for the CPC 1100 tripod. Look on casesandcovers.com
I end up with the JMI case, the tripod case, eyepiece case, battery, dew shield, Starbound chair, and a duffel bag with all the rest, including a roll-up camp table for gear.
Barry
-------------------- CPC 1100 XLT
Moonlite Dual Rate Focuser
TV 2" Everbrite Diagonal
31T5, 22T4, 17E, 13E
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jcjr
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Thanks for the good info.
I don't get out much, and maybe the shipping boxes would do for once or twice a year (Ron's solution).
The first priority is home convenience, and had been thinking maybe a big 'holds everything' wheeled case might be the solution.
But that JMI scope buggy looked promising, so last night I made something like it. Mine is pretty strong, but primitive. Perhaps it is a scope chariot or a scope buckboard (grin).
Will stain/poly after am more certain it is actually complete.
The legs are 2X4 #2 pine. The ends 60 degree cut, butted together and braced on the sides with little triangles of pine. Epoxy filler and 2.5" nailgun nails on all those internal joints. Then a top and bottom hub of 3/4" plywood with screws and TiteBond III. It doesn't seem likely to easily break.
The foot holders are two layers of 3/4" oak, cut on the bandsaw at a slight angle so that the feet kinda 'guide' down into the slots.

I bought some 1/2"X13 threaded rod and other hardware to make leveling screws, but haven't decided whether to add levelers.
In praise of simplicity, wanted to try two options first:
1. Maybe take the scope off the chariot for observing, and put it back on for the trip back into the basement.
2. Use 4X4 lift-blocks, to lift the thing just a quarter inch off the wheels, when observing.
After the thing was built and I could test, option 1 isn't practical except for King Kong. It is possible, but the fully-assembled CPC 1100 is just a little too heavy to routinely get it on and off the rollers without excessive risk of a tumble.
Haven't tried the lift-block idea yet. A meaningful test would be to see how it works in actual observing, and its cloudy tonite.
If lift-blocks would work, then that would be much faster than cranking down the levelers every time. My doors are not wide enough to make this thing any bigger, and levelers close to the wheels would have to be raised high enough to allow the wheels to swivel. No fun screwing the things several inches every time.
-------------------- CPC 1100, C102SLT, SV F80, Meade 70 & 60 AZT
Q70 38mm, Pan24, Meade 5K 18mm UW, Axiom LX 15mm, 10mm, 7mm, Nagler 13T6, Expanse 20mm, 9mm, 6mm, BO/TMB 5mm, 2.5mm
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