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starbux
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Re: Best light pollution filters? new [Re: considerthestars]
      #2520453 - 07/15/08 01:28 PM

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Has anyone ever tried the Baader Planetarium Moon and Skyglow filter? Here's what the seller says about it: "The Baader Planetarium Moon & Skyglow (Neodymium) filter brings an entirely unique approach to contrast enhancement and light pollution reduction. Based on earlier research at Carl Zeiss, Baader has developed a new filter that uses Neodymium glass which filters out a few specific wavelengths from streetlights as well as skyglow from the Moon. The unique spectral characteristics of Neodymium also boost color contrasts by isolating the Red, Green, and Blue regions (so-called RGB enhancement). The result is a filter that leaves natural colors intact, but enhanced."




I have it, and to be honest, where it really shines is as a planet filter. It is marginally useful for deep sky viewing as it doesn't absorb alot of light, less than the broadband filters like the "Deep Sky". It does darken the sky background, so it could be useful for some deep sky viewing, but I usually use a narrowband filter on nebulae.

A couple of years ago I submitted this photo to a Cloudy Nights contest (I had no illusions of winning). It was mainly to demonstrate the effects of the M&S filter on the Pleiades that I experimented with shortly before.



I have other comparison images (not animated) using the Moon & Skyglow filter as well as the Celestron LPR filter HERE.


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calan
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Re: Best light pollution filters? new [Re: starbux]
      #2523413 - 07/16/08 10:27 PM

Wow... I see nowhere near that much change in contrast with my 1.25" M&SG filter. It makes a small difference, but not a lot.

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David Knisely
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Re: Best light pollution filters? new [Re: considerthestars]
      #2523524 - 07/16/08 11:36 PM

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Has anyone ever tried the Baader Planetarium Moon and Skyglow filter? Here's what the seller says about it: "The Baader Planetarium Moon & Skyglow (Neodymium) filter brings an entirely unique approach to contrast enhancement and light pollution reduction. Based on earlier research at Carl Zeiss, Baader has developed a new filter that uses Neodymium glass which filters out a few specific wavelengths from streetlights as well as skyglow from the Moon. The unique spectral characteristics of Neodymium also boost color contrasts by isolating the Red, Green, and Blue regions (so-called RGB enhancement). The result is a filter that leaves natural colors intact, but enhanced."




Well, quite frankly, this looks like a little too much dealer "hype". First, from the filter's transmission curve, the unit can reject the light pollution lines of Mercury Vapor fairly easily, but lets through much of the broad band of HP Sodium Vapor emission (roughly from 5400 to 6400 Angstroms). There is more and more city lighting which is being based on HP Sodium lighting, so the filter would not perform quite as well on rejecting that form of skyglow as a filter with a single broad "notch" like the Lumicon Deep-sky filter or the Astronomik CLS filter.

Second, moonlight is basically reflected sunlight over the entire visual spectrum, so there is no way any broad-band filter can effectively filter it out to allow deep-sky objects to be better seen. It may help *for* viewing the moon, but not for rejecting the scattered moonlight that is the bane of deep-sky observers. Clear skies to you.

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Re: Best light pollution filters? new [Re: David Knisely]
      #2525782 - 07/18/08 01:55 AM

David? I read a thread here at CN recently where someone mentioned that a broadband filter had become saturated after a certain point and became less effective. My thought was that they had interpreted the situation wrong - that the filter still filtered out the specified wavelengths, just that there was other LP involved that it didnt stop, much like your description of moon glow. Are there filters that saturate? Will you comment please?
Steve

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Re: Best light pollution filters? new [Re: stevek]
      #2525809 - 07/18/08 02:29 AM

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David? I read a thread here at CN recently where someone mentioned that a broadband filter had become saturated after a certain point and became less effective. My thought was that they had interpreted the situation wrong - that the filter still filtered out the specified wavelengths, just that there was other LP involved that it didnt stop, much like your description of moon glow. Are there filters that saturate? Will you comment please?
Steve




Yes, some broad-band filters do tend to "saturate" to some degree, usually under moderate to severe light pollution levels. The filter does reduce the skyglow level by rejecting some of the wavelengths associated with light pollution, but at some point, that reduction isn't enough to allow an object (especially a continuum emitter like a star cluster or a galaxy) to be easily visible. Light pollution is not only the narrow emission lines of Mercury and Sodium Vapor, but includes a huge range of wavelengths all across the visible spectrum from sources like incandescent lighting, halogen lighting, and the broader "side bands" of emission from High-Pressure (HP) Sodium lighting. If the filter isn't really narrow, much of this light will end up in the passband contaminating the view. With broadband filters, by design, they *must* let through a broad range of wavelengths, only targeting the narrower emission sources which again are not the only source of skyglow. Broad-band filters tend to be most effective at skyglow levels ranging from mild light pollution to a dark sky, but with enough skyglow, the levels of that light getting in the passbands of the filters may become high enough that the object may not be visible. This is the "saturation point". For narrow line emitters like emission nebulae, you *can* use narrow-band and line filters to reject more of this light, so they don't saturate nearly as easily as the broad-band filters. Clear skies to you.

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Re: Best light pollution filters? [Re: David Knisely]
      #2526439 - 07/18/08 12:16 PM

Thanks David (again). What I hadnt fully understood was what was meant by saturation. My 'mental picture' of this term was that the filter actually started letting in light at the blocked wavelengths - which seemed unlikely. Yer da man
Steve

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1958 Sears Discoverer 76mm Refractor
GSO SV 30mm 2",21mm Hyp,13mm Strat,BO/TMB ver2-6mm & 4mm
1.25"Filters: DGM-NPB, 25%ND
1.25" plossls: 25mm,20mm,15mm,9mm
Orion 2X Shorty Barlow
Garrett Gemini LW 11x56mm binocs
BTG-10 4.0mW green laser pointer



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