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SanDiegoPaul
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Revisiting collimation for an SCT - Barlow OK ? new
      #2524742 - 07/17/08 03:40 PM

I know you need high power to collimate the SCT. My hightest power EP is my 13mm Nagler T6. In my scope's case, that's only 192 power and I'm not sure it's enough.

My Lx200 is great. The images however are not as good by a long shot, as when it was new 15 months ago.

Collimation with the knobs is easy and I have it close...probably very close. When I put my ST402 camera in the scope it displays good collimation outside of focus.

I got a Howie Glatter Laser Collimator tool and when I tried it, the reflection went right dead-center down the middle of the tool. That indicates great adjustment.

So can I use a barlow to double the power of my 13 Nag and perhaps get better adjustment? Or put it in front of the SBIG camera (dont know if it will focus) to try/

I'd love to get Lexie to show me the same quality she showed me in the beginning - and she's not even a year & half old.

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Mitty Evolution Wedge
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Re: Revisiting collimation for an SCT - Barlow OK ? new [Re: SanDiegoPaul]
      #2524948 - 07/17/08 05:40 PM

Quote:

I know you need high power to collimate the SCT. My hightest power EP is my 13mm Nagler T6. In my scope's case, that's only 192 power and I'm not sure it's enough.

My Lx200 is great. The images however are not as good by a long shot, as when it was new 15 months ago.

Collimation with the knobs is easy and I have it close...probably very close. When I put my ST402 camera in the scope it displays good collimation outside of focus.

I got a Howie Glatter Laser Collimator tool and when I tried it, the reflection went right dead-center down the middle of the tool. That indicates great adjustment.

So can I use a barlow to double the power of my 13 Nag and perhaps get better adjustment? Or put it in front of the SBIG camera (dont know if it will focus) to try/

I'd love to get Lexie to show me the same quality she showed me in the beginning - and she's not even a year & half old.




Hokay...first off, forget using the laser to collimate the SCT. It will probably be worse than useless. Most of the time, using a laser on a CAT is a recipe for MIScollimation.

A barlow would work fine, especially if you are attempting in-focus collimation.



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Re: Revisiting collimation for an SCT - Barlow OK ? new [Re: rmollise]
      #2526361 - 07/18/08 11:45 AM

Thanks Rod. Wasn't it in one of your publications, that I read you need to focus an SCT on the OUTside of focus?

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Mitty Evolution Wedge
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Canon Digital Rebel DSLR
Meade DSI-c CCD for Guiding

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Re: Revisiting collimation for an SCT - Barlow OK ? new [Re: SanDiegoPaul]
      #2527303 - 07/18/08 08:45 PM

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Thanks Rod. Wasn't it in one of your publications, that I read you need to focus an SCT on the OUTside of focus?




No...either side of focus is fine. If your scope produces better defined rings on one side of focus rather than the other--for whatever reason--just use that.

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Re: Revisiting collimation for an SCT - Barlow OK ? new [Re: rmollise]
      #2527329 - 07/18/08 08:59 PM

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A barlow would work fine, especially if you are attempting in-focus collimation.






Let me see if I got this right

When using very high power (barlow), in-focus is best (no rings?)

At low or medium powers, use either INside or OUTside OF focus to get the best concentric first ring.

Is that kinda/sorta what we're saying?

Thanks, Rod

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Re: Revisiting collimation for an SCT - Barlow OK ? new [Re: Dubboy]
      #2528094 - 07/19/08 10:25 AM

Quote:



Let me see if I got this right

When using very high power (barlow), in-focus is best (no rings?)

At low or medium powers, use either INside or OUTside OF focus to get the best concentric first ring.

Is that kinda/sorta what we're saying?

Thanks, Rod




As the rent-a-car ad used to say, "Not Exactly"...

Use as much power as you need to make it easy to see diffraction rings. If they look better at high power, use that.

For infocus collimation? Yes, you will need 300x plus. Alas, in many areas infocus collimation is rarely possible.



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Re: Revisiting collimation for an SCT - Barlow OK ? new [Re: rmollise]
      #2528112 - 07/19/08 10:38 AM

Thanks Rod I can't wait to try it. Weather this time year in Southern CA is unstable at night unless I go to the mountains. And with it being full moon weekend, I dunno if that's going to happen for at least a week.

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Meade 10" Lx200-R with Moonlight SCT Focuser
Mitty Evolution Wedge
AT-80 Guide Scope
SBIG ST402ME CCD Imager
Canon Digital Rebel DSLR
Meade DSI-c CCD for Guiding

Please visit my gallery!
http://www.pbase.com/sandiegopaul/


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Re: Revisiting collimation for an SCT - Barlow OK ? new [Re: rmollise]
      #2528129 - 07/19/08 10:46 AM

Quote:

Quote:



Let me see if I got this right

When using very high power (barlow), in-focus is best (no rings?)

At low or medium powers, use either INside or OUTside OF focus to get the best concentric first ring.

Is that kinda/sorta what we're saying?

Thanks, Rod




As the rent-a-car ad used to say, "Not Exactly"...

Use as much power as you need to make it easy to see diffraction rings. If they look better at high power, use that.

For infocus collimation? Yes, you will need 300x plus. Alas, in many areas infocus collimation is rarely possible.






Thanks, Rod

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Don

"Don't worry about what telescope you own, or its quality. Just get out under the night sky and enjoy God's wondrous universe" Thomas Back.






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Re: Revisiting collimation for an SCT - Barlow OK ? [Re: Dubboy]
      #2528201 - 07/19/08 11:33 AM

If somebody have SCT with fixed primary mirror design, he can also use artificial star for infocus collimation. In this case he will not have problems with 500x and more...

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Edited by Cyclop_si (07/19/08 11:34 AM)


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