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Myles
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Reged: 03/25/06
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Loc: Seattle, Washington
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My TSL5 arrived on about a week ago and I have one night out with it.
I have it coupled with a new DiscMount 4" head and my Orion 100ed. This is a great combination - and with serve my future SV115 making for me - a dream combination.
The TSL5 is a very functional and solid pier. The legs are a nice walnut with two hand knobs for locking each of them down. I don't think there is even a noticable/meaningfull loss in stability when they are fully extended - which is how I used it.
It felt perfect with the legs fully extended as I had leg room tucking myself and observing chair inside the wide footprint of the tripod at times. That is a pretty wide footprint - something like 56"+ inches from leg to leg when fully extended - probably 8" wider than my SVP.
The legs attach at mid pier leaving 10 or 12 inches of vertical above the legs - with my setup the diagonal cleared the legs all the way around.
The lower leg braces are a new design - different that the latest SV website picture. Each of the three are about 2 3/4 wide(inside width), the length is about 9 inches, there is an upturned lip that is 7/8th tall.
I was able to put a big 2" EP laying on its side in each of the three brace sections - there was some extra room leftover. I might lay felt down in the channels to protect them and the EP.
The braces attach to the underside of the pier with a hand knob.
The height with the legs retracted is around 38" and allows the unit to be taken out the door. With the legs extended fully the top of the mounting plate is around 50" but the width/spread of the legs makes it hard to get out the door.
The TSL5 (with 5 lb DM-4) weighs around 33 lbs - alittle bit less than my SVP. However, because the weight is centered in the pier and is symetrical, I found it easier to carry than the SVP Gem with is counter weight hanging off on end. It is still heavy, but easier than the SVP.
The TSL5 is solid - raps to the legs or pier section settled in a quick 1 second or so. That is attributed to the TSL5.
I am breaking in the DM-4 - still adjusing it/learning it. I had the Azm setting alittle loose at the start, but once getting it tighter(but still smooth motionwise) raps to the diagonal to settled in about 1/2 second at 140x with a very small image motion and absolutely no movement when focusing.
I have more tweaking to do on the Alt axis, but so far it is working very well.
The balancing is a great feature. I have it balanced so that there is no scope movement when switching from the minimum scope config (Rigel finder, 9x50, diagonal, but no EP) to the maximum (Rigel finder, 9x50, diagonal with big Pan 35 EP ). That is a 25 ounce swing and it hold anywhere, including zenith.
Normally, I sky hop using the 9x50 finder, but I ended up getting the Sky Commander with pre-installed encoders on the DM-4. Two star configuring was fast- Polaris and Arcturus. Then on to M13 - pretty much right in the center. I tried a few others and yes it works perfectly for when I don't want to build my skill for star-hopping.
So, I am rather statisfied with the excellent combination.
-------------------- Seattle, WA
100ED, SV80ED, SV115 on order
PST DS, WO66 white light
35Pan, 27Pan, 14XW, 10XW, 7XW, 5XW, 3.5XW
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pilgrim1
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Reged: 02/22/08
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Loc: South Florida
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That's a nice setup! I'm curious if you have used the DM4 on the Discmounts tripod and how it compares in terms of stability and portability. Also, what is the width of the pier? Would the DM6 work on it?
Could you post a closeup pic of the braces on which you placed the ep?
John
-------------------- John
"For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountain of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries." Dr. Robert Jastrow
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Orion XT12i
Meade 90mm f11 refractor on alt/az
WO FLT 110 f7 TMB / DM6 / Sky Commander DSC / G11
Baader EPs
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Myles
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Reged: 03/25/06
Posts: 470
Loc: Seattle, Washington
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John,
I have not used a DiscMount tripod so I can't say if the TSL5 is more/less stable. I got the TSL5 because I have some uneven viewing areas and wanted adjustable legs.
The TSL5 base is pretty big - not at home to measure - but I will later. I looks like it is around 5.5 inches - check back later for exact numbers.
Here is the brace closeup.
- Myles
-------------------- Seattle, WA
100ED, SV80ED, SV115 on order
PST DS, WO66 white light
35Pan, 27Pan, 14XW, 10XW, 7XW, 5XW, 3.5XW
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pilgrim1
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Reged: 02/22/08
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Loc: South Florida
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Thanks Myles.
Thanks for posting the picture. I've seen pics of the TSL5 with an accessory tray. Those braces may make a tray redundant. Interesting.
If that pier functions as well as it looks, it's going to be popular. The walnut legs are a very nice touch. I'm upgrading my DM4 to a DM6 soon. I'm giving the TSL5 some serious thought. I'll be looking for that measurement of the mount base. If it is at least 5.5" as you estimate, I think the DM6 will work.
John
-------------------- John
"For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountain of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries." Dr. Robert Jastrow
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Orion XT12i
Meade 90mm f11 refractor on alt/az
WO FLT 110 f7 TMB / DM6 / Sky Commander DSC / G11
Baader EPs
Edited by pilgrim1 (07/19/08 03:42 PM)
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Tom D.
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Reged: 11/29/04
Posts: 1596
Loc: Boca Raton, FL
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Quote:
The TSL5 (with 5 lb DM-4) weighs around 33 lbs - alittle bit less than my SVP. However, because the weight is centered in the pier and is symetrical, I found it easier to carry than the SVP Gem with is counter weight hanging off on end. It is still heavy, but easier than the SVP.
Myles: I have the DM-4 on the DM tripod and it all (mount, saddle, computer, encoders, tripod, strips, and tray, i.e., everything but the scope) weighs in at about 21 lbs. This set-up'll handle (easily) scopes up to 18 lbs. Unless adjutable legs are important to you, you may want to reconsider your tripod. All of that being said, you're going to love your DM-4 on whatever tripod you use 
Tom
-------------------- Orion ShortTube 80 (f/5.0)
Stellarvue SV105 (TMB/LZOS f/6.2)
DiscMounts DM-4/Sky Commander XP4
"Aerodynamics are for people who cannot build engines"......Enzo Ferrari
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pilgrim1
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Reged: 02/22/08
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Loc: South Florida
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Hey Tom,
I noticed you're in Boca. I live in the Rat's Mouth as well, west of the turnpike. Are you involved with the local clubs at all? Just curious.
John
-------------------- John
"For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountain of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries." Dr. Robert Jastrow
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Orion XT12i
Meade 90mm f11 refractor on alt/az
WO FLT 110 f7 TMB / DM6 / Sky Commander DSC / G11
Baader EPs
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lazhow
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Reged: 11/11/07
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Hi Myles; I have the DM 6 and use a very nice tripod...it is a Davis Sanford Folding Pier. Real solid and one big advantage it only weights 14LBS. There is a sole source for thetripod and that is with B&H Photo on the net. The cost is about $20 more than the Stellarvue tripod but I find it can handle alot of weight up to 150 lbs. Anyway you will love the DM 6 which I use for my AP STAR 130MM f/8 with accessories weights in about 30LBS. Have fun and hoping for clear skies Howard
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Tom D.
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Reged: 11/29/04
Posts: 1596
Loc: Boca Raton, FL
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Quote:
Hey Tom,
I noticed you're in Boca. I live in the Rat's Mouth as well, west of the turnpike. Are you involved with the local clubs at all? Just curious.
John
Hi, John. Sorry for the tardy reply. I live in the south end of Boca, just off of Military Trail and SW 18th Street. I'm not involved in any clubs...really don't have the time. Your WO 110/DM-4 set-up must be sweet.
Tom
-------------------- Orion ShortTube 80 (f/5.0)
Stellarvue SV105 (TMB/LZOS f/6.2)
DiscMounts DM-4/Sky Commander XP4
"Aerodynamics are for people who cannot build engines"......Enzo Ferrari
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Myles
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Reged: 03/25/06
Posts: 470
Loc: Seattle, Washington
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John,
the base of the TLS5 has about 7/16 visable under the DM-4, per "side". So that is about 7/8 to maybe 1 inch more diameter than the DM-4.
Given that the DM-6 would extend over the base by 1/2 inch all the way around.
I think Vic has announced a new TSL6/new price at the SCAE event - not sure if the SV website shows it yet.
I looks like my TSL5 except the 3 leg braces connect at a single point instead of 3.
- Myles
-------------------- Seattle, WA
100ED, SV80ED, SV115 on order
PST DS, WO66 white light
35Pan, 27Pan, 14XW, 10XW, 7XW, 5XW, 3.5XW
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