n1toga
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Hi all,
my earlier post about the Meade DS 5" Newt has unwittingly led me in this direction now...
So the Choices now are the Meade 4" DS seriese Mak or the Bushnell Northstar 127mm MakCass.
I need more info on the Bushnell if anyone is using one or knows someone who is. The OTA looks pretty much the same as the Orion 127mm Mak-Cass offering if it is then it should definately be a good one.
Thanks again,
Rahul K.
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doug76
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NO Bushnell!!! NO NO NO! The Meade is essentially the ETX105 on a cheaper mount, so at least optically it will be very good. The Orion 127 would be nearly as good quality-wise, but better in a way due to the larger aperture. Are you sure you want a Mak? Fine for high power work, but they do have a narrow field of view.
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werewolf6977
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No BUSHNELL MAKS!! Run the other way!! Very bad scopes. Spend your money on an Orion, or a Meade DS Mak.
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Pete
6" Apogee/LXD55 - "The Beast"
Starhopper 6" Dob - "Shiva"
Spaceprobe 130 EQ - "Spacey"
Bushnell Fatboy
The Abomination
Sun Pak Pro 7500 Platinum Edition
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ken svp120
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I'm not sure what "cheap" means budget-wise, but if it includes up to a few hundred bucks I would strongly consider the Orion 5" Mak. A buddy of mine has one and its really a nice scope, no complaints.
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Orion 120 Refractor
Orion SkyviewPro Mount, Single Axis Drive
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sang33ta
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There are the Celestron SE 4" Mak/ 5-6"SCTs too
I recommend the ETX-125 though from my own experience it was a good goto and tracker.
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Meade 4000 Super Plossl Set
Casio QV-2900UX
Got fed up of waiting for Meade ETX-150 so put this together for £500/$1000 
Edited by sang33ta (07/20/08 12:40 PM)
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christinam
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We have a Skywatcher (Orion in the US) 127mm Mak. It was our first scope and we still love it. It does, like Doug says, have a very narrow field of view, which can be troublesome if you are new, but the views out of it make up for the front end work of learning how to find a target.
Chris
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Nikon D50
Nikon 18-55mm and 70-300mm lenses
WO ZS80ED (thanks Santa Baby)
HEQ-5 Pro (woohoo)
Also using the B/Fs Mak &
Skywatcher ST80 and
EQ6Pro
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X-Lurker
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I do not know much about the other scopes, but I own the Orion 127mm and I love it! It's pretty good with planets and the brighter DSO's... No complaints here.
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Clear Skies,
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n1toga
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Thanks a lot guys,
Saves me a lot of bucks on the Bushnell. Well to be honest it did sound too good to be true. More research on the Mead and Orion Maks.
I must mention that I will ablolutely need GOTO to counter the light pollution and the narrow fov of the Mak.
Jgraham chimes in very favourabally in the previos thread about the meade mak. A 90mm though.
Thanks
Rahul
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Protheus
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I wouldn't really worry about field-of-view. Well, maybe I would, but not too much. That being relative, anyway... It's at least very likely that you can (with some combination of focal reducer and long focal length eyepiece) get enough field for most things you want to view with little trouble.
Chris
Edit: Ok, one other thing I suppose somebody should mention is that, compared to a jones-bird of similar size, you aren't likely to gain limiting magnitude in a comparably sized Mak. What I mean is that the only improvement you should probably expect is in image clarity. You probably won't see objects which are any more dim, and you probably won't achieve higher magnifications. The improvement in clarity, of course, will be subject to viewing conditions and so on just as the clarity of your current view.
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to run on smooth-frozen ice,
one needs no footsteps to follow..."
"Well, people sometimes ask me 'how did you get involved in astronomy?' I said 'I got born, what's your problem?'" -- John Dobson
"In discussing the large-scale structure of the cosmos, astronomers sometimes say that space is curved, or that the universe is finite but unbounded. Whatever are they talking about?" -- Carl Sagan
Edited by Protheus (07/20/08 04:18 PM)
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helpwanted
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not to go to far off topic... but can someone point me to the selling points of a mak?
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Jared
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Quote:
not to go to far off topic... but can someone point me to the selling points of a mak?
Pros:
1) Like SCT's, very compact optical tube for the aperture and focal length
2) Potential for extremely high image quality, though that is usually realized only in more expensive units
3) Most samples hold collimation very well
4) Generally make good planetary instruments due to their slower focal ratios
(allowing longer focal length eyepieces for a given magnification) and their relatively small central obstruction (which keeps contrast levels high)
Cons:
1) Above five inches in aperture, can be slow to reach thermal equilibrium. Often require a fan to aid in cooling.
2) Top quality units are not inexpensive.
3) The slow focal ratio means they are a poor choice for widefield/low power use.
4) Like SCT's, the front corrector plate makes them very prone to dewing issues.
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doug76
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Quote:
Thanks a lot guys,
Saves me a lot of bucks on the Bushnell. Well to be honest it did sound too good to be true. More research on the Mead and Orion Maks.
I must mention that I will ablolutely need GOTO to counter the light pollution and the narrow fov of the Mak.
Jgraham chimes in very favourabally in the previos thread about the meade mak. A 90mm though.
Thanks
Rahul
Then grab the ETX125 from Astronomics, quickly. Major sale, but supply is going fast.
Doug
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paul hart
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Then grab the ETX125 from Astronomics, quickly. Major sale, but supply is going fast.
Doug
I agree, that is a very good deal.
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Paul
Long Island, New York
Orion Starmax 127 Mak
TScope 14" f/4.7 dob w/ F80 finder
10" f/4.8 dob
Orion 10x50 Ultraview Binoculars
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Kolenka
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Well, I may say that 750 in 6 months is pretty fast... the rate of sale seems to have dropped off after that first month or so. If you want a nice 5" Mak, the ETX-125PE is still a pretty good for the price.
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scopethis
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No BUSHNELL MAKS!! Run the other way!! Very bad scopes. Spend your money on an Orion, or a Meade DS Mak.
You are so correct about the Bushnell. Me and a few others observers watched in horror as one of those thing began to fall apart before our ours. It was so bad we had to shoot it.
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stefanj
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If you have your heart set on a Mak- I would lurk around the Swap and Shop section- I just picked up a Mead ETX 90 with 2 eps, and both the table top tripod and a good solid wedge tripod for $200. Optiacally it is like new-
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Protheus
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Quote:
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No BUSHNELL MAKS!! Run the other way!! Very bad scopes. Spend your money on an Orion, or a Meade DS Mak.
You are so correct about the Bushnell. Me and a few others observers watched in horror as one of those thing began to fall apart before our ours. It was so bad we had to shoot it.
Did you at least keep the corrector? It could probably be used in a project with one of those cheap jones-bird newts to make a little Maksutov-Newtonian that could be worth using...
Chris
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"To tread the sharp edge of a sword;
to run on smooth-frozen ice,
one needs no footsteps to follow..."
"Well, people sometimes ask me 'how did you get involved in astronomy?' I said 'I got born, what's your problem?'" -- John Dobson
"In discussing the large-scale structure of the cosmos, astronomers sometimes say that space is curved, or that the universe is finite but unbounded. Whatever are they talking about?" -- Carl Sagan
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Bubbinski
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I don't have too much to add, but I have been very happy with my 90 mm Orion Mak on EQ-1M tabletop mount. It's collecting dust since I got the Dob, but for three years it was the scope that brought me into this hobby to stay.
I'm hoping to get a GOTO mount for it at some point, that can track the ISS. We'll see if that happens.
Justin
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Orion Skyquest XT 4.5, 90 mm Mak, ST 80, 11x56 Garrett Geminis
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n1toga
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Going off on a tangent here,
What do you think is the weight limit of the Nexstar SLT mount for visual observation?
Do you think I can stick a 10 pound SCT/MCT on it and get away with it purely for visual purposes?
The OTA's I'm thinking abouth are the C130 MCT and of course the C6 with starbright XLT coatings. Both can be had for 300 or 400 dollars. The mount will come from the Nexstar 60 SLT with the tube being tossed.
Thanks,
Rahul K.
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GeneDiG
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Go with the 6" SCT over the 130mm Mak. I have a C130. In my opinion it is a nice 'scope if you can: A) get it for less than $225 B) be ready to make some modifcations to the OTA C) be prepared to do some collimation efforts D) get some adapters becuase regular SCT threaded accesories will not fit on the visual back of the C130's OTA.
As for the Nexstar 60 mount holding your MCT or SCT. It can be done, but it seems at the limit of its abilities. I have an old Tasco Starguide 60 mount which is identical to early Nexstar 60 mounts. I added a Baader bracket which allows the use of a Vixen style dovetail. I used my C130 on the mount but it seems like the motors really strain to move the large OTA. The Starguide mount works better with a short-tube 80mm I have.
Gene
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