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The Astronomer Looks at 55
      #2534156 - 07/22/08 01:01 PM

The Astronomer Looks at 55

By: Rod Mollise


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Re: The Astronomer Looks at 55 new [Re: Mike Loffland]
      #2534657 - 07/22/08 04:35 PM

Rod, Thanks for a very nice article on the hobby and gear of the 60.s and 70's. Really took me back especially the wonderment involved with looking at equipment ads. Those huge equatorial mounted scopes looked like they could literally transport you to the stars. As for whether or not this hobby will survive, well.....
I believe many of us growing up "back in the day" had the benefit of "quiet time"..when summers seemed to last forever. Curiously enough, however, I can't remember getting bored. The quieter times seemed to let us develop our imaginations and led, in fact, to knowing ourselves in a more intimate way than children of the Nintendo age. We developed interests that reflected our personalities and abilities. This "self awareness", outside of marketing, is in my view the essence of what is missing in many young folks today. Astronomy has a slower pace to it, and therefore is less appealing to children who have grown up with torrid pace of a video games. Perhaps the hobby will survive but like other non competitive hobbies such as birdwatching and fishing, will be most appealing to the folks who are again..maybe for the first time, experiencing a little "quiet time" are starting to show a little gray.
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Re: The Astronomer Looks at 55 new [Re: Mike Loffland]
      #2534660 - 07/22/08 04:36 PM

OK....I peeked.

Prescient review that resonated with yours truly....

OBTW....I'm 62



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Re: The Astronomer Looks at 55 new [Re: bcuddihee]
      #2534911 - 07/22/08 06:18 PM

Quote:

I believe many of us growing up "back in the day" had the benefit of "quiet time"..when summers seemed to last forever. Curiously enough, however, I can't remember getting bored.




Well, I was one of those WEIRDOS who, by the end of July, at least, was ready to go back to school. Go figger.

But between Palomar Junior observin' runs and fishing trips down to the creek I made the most of those long ago summer afternoons and evenings.

What sticks in my mind is what the Milky Way looked like on those long-lost summer eves: tarnished silver in dark but hazy skies. My silly little scope revealed wonder after wonder as I cruised to Sagittarius and lower, sometimes leaving me feeling not only amazed, but even a little SCARED. But it was a _good_ scared.



Edited by rmollise (07/22/08 06:29 PM)


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Re: The Astronomer Looks at 55 new [Re: rmollise]
      #2534918 - 07/22/08 06:19 PM

Wonderment is a good word.
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Pair of 28 RKE's
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Re: The Astronomer Looks at 55 new [Re: bcuddihee]
      #2535040 - 07/22/08 07:11 PM

Rod -- thx but Im felling kind of old!
Im a few months behind you

I agree that now we are living in a astronomy equipment land of plenty

who knew that after 40 years I would have
I have 2 3rd gen image intensifiers
2 SCT
2 apo's
several CCD cameras
2 newts
1 dob
and a host of other assorted equipment

my first 3 scopes
a) gilbert (still have mirror)
b) 4 inch dynascope (still have it)
c) 6 inch edmund -- sold in 79


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Re: The Astronomer Looks at 55 new [Re: highfnum]
      #2535375 - 07/22/08 09:59 PM

Thanks Rod. An interesting and thought-provoking piece, as usual.

Demographically, I'm considered "Generation X", being born in 1966. My interest in astronomy was kindled not by Apollo or Sputnik, which were old news by the time I was in elementary school, but by watching reruns of Star Trek and Lost in Space. A trip to our school district's planetarium in first or second grade sealed the deal.

One encouraging trend I've noticed is that there seem to be a lot more space-related shows and movies coming back for kids. Right now in theaters, for example, there's WALL-E and Space Chimps, and I saw trailers for a new movie coming out this fall called Fly Me To The Moon. While some may scoff that these don't have the documentary qualities of Apollo 13 and The Right Stuff, at least they are interesting and engaging to today's kids. It remains to be seen if this is just a coincidence or if it represents space exploration coming back into vogue in American popular culture.

Curiosity about the stars is human nature. As long as people are able to look up and see the stars, there will be new generations of amateur astronomers. Astronomy club memberships may be getting older and declining, but that doesn't mean younger people aren't interested. Let's not forget the web, and sites like Cloudy Nights, which make astronomy clubs less critical to an amateur astronomer's ability to learn than they were 20 years ago.

Cloudy Nights tends to be dominated by people in their 50s and older. Also, Cloudy Nights is an equipment-heavy site (remember, the full name is "Cloudy Nights Telescope Reviews"), and the discussions tend to gravitate toward high-end equipment. "Which Nagler should I buy?" "Should I get the 18 inch or the 20 inch Obsession?" "Is the SV102 better than the NP101?" There's nothing wrong with this, but teenagers generally don't have that kind of disposable income, so are not likely to participate in these discussions. On the other hand, I've seen plenty of posts from teenagers and 20-somethings. They're here, and they're very active in amateur astronomy.

About three years ago, I had my SCT set up at a public viewing night at a local park. It was a hazy summer night, so the only thing worth seeing was Jupiter. A young man of 9 or 10 years old came by with his father to have a look. He was amazed to be seeing Jupiter, for real, with his own eyes. All he could keep saying was, "cool!" Later I showed him how he could use the "pointer" stars in the big dipper to find Polaris, which, again, he thought was "cool." I'll never forget that young man. Here was a kid who had no doubt been overloaded with Hubble and Voyager pictures for his entire life, and yet he thought the view of Jupiter through a 9.25" SCT on a night of lousy seeing was "cool." He got it! This is where the next generation of amateur astronomers is coming from.

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Re: The Astronomer Looks at 55 new [Re: mcoren]
      #2535685 - 07/23/08 02:02 AM

Maybe it's because I also turned 55 this year, in February, but this is the best article you've written. One reason amateur astronomy is getting older is that the population of the USA, at least, is getting older. I agree we have it better than ever in this hobby. For me, it was the Edmund Scientific catalog covered in drool instead of Unitron, but same difference. I fantasized about someday having my own observatory: a small dome with a 6" newtonian. When my dreams got wild it was an 8" with and electric clock drive! I never dreamed I would consider a 12" newt which I could take apart and transport and stick on a platform drive my PORTABLE scope. Because who would have thought, 40 years ago my main scope would be a 20" with drive motors in a roll off roof building (the other pier has a C-8 and 5" schmidt-newt mounted on an equatorial)! Not to mention MY computer on a desk in the corner, my commnicator (ok, cell phone) in my pocket, etc.

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Re: The Astronomer Looks at 55 new [Re: Unknownastron]
      #2535948 - 07/23/08 07:45 AM

Very entertaining article Rod! Thanks.

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Re: The Astronomer Looks at 55 new [Re: Mike Loffland]
      #2536130 - 07/23/08 09:46 AM

Wonderful article Rod. I was transported back to my youthful days of chromatic aberrations and plastic lenses! My cheap telescopes sure gave me much pleasure in the 60's and 70's. Even today when I see the purple glow around a star or planet I'm wafted back to those fun years. I think my second childhood has begun with my newly acquired Meade ETX125pe.. I haven't named her yet. ~Mike

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Re: The Astronomer Looks at 55 new [Re: Mike Cook]
      #2536332 - 07/23/08 11:19 AM

As a child of the Space Age, I agree that there are many gray heads in the astronomy clubs, and that we need to recruit younger folks. This is one reason why I do astronomy outreach at schools. I use a laptop computer with the telescope. The children can relate to the computer easier than to the telescope, and when they see the computer drive the telescope they are very impressed. Today's children are fond of electronic gadgets, and the modern GoTo telescope/computer combination can get them hooked on the hobby. Hook a digital camera to the scope and they are really impressed.

My cheap scope of the 60s was a 3 inch acromatic Chinese refractor. It worked well enough to see the moon and planets, and had decent enough views. I did not know what color abberations were at that time, anyways!

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Re: The Astronomer Looks at 55 new [Re: Matthew Ota]
      #2536473 - 07/23/08 12:22 PM

Wow, talk about singling me out!

I started subscribing to S&T in 1965. In 1966 I got a small Optical Craftsman reflector for Xmas. That summer the Skalnate Pleso arrived, a thing of wonder, and I started working my way through the Messier catalog from my backyard in Ky (sans setting circles, of course). Never finished, though.

In July of 1969 I met Walter Scott Houston at the Talcott Mountain Observatory (in Connecticut) where I was attending an NSF summer program in astronomy for high school students.

Even made it to Stellafane that year...

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Re: The Astronomer Looks at 55 new [Re: JohnFredC]
      #2536509 - 07/23/08 12:45 PM

Hey wait a minute!

I turned 55 this year too. How is it that your beard isn't gray?

Mine turned gray over 10 years ago (teenagers in the house).

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Re: The Astronomer Looks at 55 new [Re: tim53]
      #2537060 - 07/23/08 05:01 PM

Quote:

Hey wait a minute!

I turned 55 this year too. How is it that your beard isn't gray?

Mine turned gray over 10 years ago (teenagers in the house).

-Tim.




Uh...well...maybe the picture you're referin' to wasn't <kaff-kaff> egg-zactly taken YESTERDAY.



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Re: The Astronomer Looks at 55 new [Re: rmollise]
      #2537176 - 07/23/08 06:01 PM

Ah yes, now I recognize the Ultima forks in that pic!

I don't feel so bad anymore...

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Re: The Astronomer Looks at 55 new [Re: tim53]
      #2537222 - 07/23/08 06:26 PM

Quote:

Ah yes, now I recognize the Ultima forks in that pic!

I don't feel so bad anymore...

-Tim.




I still have that scope, BTW. The Ultima OTA is now used on my GEMs, but I just recently put a 1988 C8 OTA I acquired on the fork for those times when I want to go a decade or two retro.

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Re: The Astronomer Looks at 55 new [Re: rmollise]
      #2537257 - 07/23/08 06:49 PM

You 55'ers make me feel old at 66 um, 67 next month. When I was in high school I built an 8" newt on a truly massive, by todays standards, GEM complete with clock drive cobbled together out of old mil surplus parts. An 8"er was considered realy huge in 1959. I think the whole rig cost less than $100. I had to mow a lot of lawns and paint a few neighbors homes to earn the $$$. Thank Rod for the look back.

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Re: The Astronomer Looks at 55 new [Re: mistyridge]
      #2537587 - 07/23/08 09:35 PM

I'm about two hours from beating Ocarina of Time on my vintage Nintendo 64 for the third time and still manage to get out almost every clear night and use my telescope.

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Re: The Astronomer Looks at 55 new [Re: NerfMonkey]
      #2537668 - 07/23/08 10:16 PM

Thanks Rod for the retrospective. I'm a 31yr. old whippersnapper and the memories you recount looking at the 60's era astro mags, bring me back to looking at the 80's era astro mag as a youth. I always liked the way the TV Renniasance and Genesis looked in the old TV ads. I hope to get a Genesis to fulfill a childhood dream.

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Re: The Astronomer Looks at 55 new [Re: naglertized]
      #2537814 - 07/23/08 11:59 PM

Oh yeah, and good article. My dad has a little 3 or 4" refractor on a rickety mount from the 1960s that I'm gonna dig out and play around with. Too bad it uses .965 eyepieces.

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