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Bill Weir
scholastic sledgehammer
Reged: 06/01/04
Posts: 879
Loc: Metchosin (Victoria), Canada
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Having read a recent friendly debate as to which object was the tougher of the Herschel 400, NGC 6540 or NGC 6118 I was given pause to wonder. It was not so much as to which was tougher but how tough would they be to compare with my 6 inch dob? As a noted late night radio talk show host from San Francisco is known to say, “So, did you do the experiment?”. On the nights of July 21st and 22nd I did just such an experiment. I did it over the two nights for two reasons. The first is so the observations would be with essentially the same amount of darkness. I wanted to catch then as soon as possible after twilight but also before the early rising Moon became a factor. The second reason is that with the potential difficulty of these objects I knew I would probably only be able to get one before the fog that has been blowing in off the Pacific like regular clockwork around midnight happens. In the end, on both nights, the Moon became a factor before the fog did.
First up was NGC 6540. On July 21st I drove the few miles down the road to the Pearson College Observatory so I could get my best view to the south. This nice little observatory on southern Vancouver Island is perched on a hillside looking directly south towards the Olympic Mountains in Washington State. It’s a wonderful place to hang out and wait for darkness to fall. It wasn’t until almost 2300hrs that is was dark enough to consider my target. The only previous time I had observed this globular was actually just 9 days earlier and that was with my 12.5” dob. On that occasion I had been a bit preoccupied as I was observing with a friend who was doing a last observing session before going for some major liver surgery. I hadn’t taken very good notes. All I could remember was its general orientation SSE of the unique little open cluster NGC 6520.
It didn’t take me long at only 54X to pick up a very small faint glow in the appropriate area. As I increased the magnification in increments to 160X the haze became more defined. It was somewhat rectangular in shape in a mostly E-W orientation. The cluster itself is located to the NE of a small asterism of sorts, which reminded me somewhat of Capricorn. It for a moment made me think (warning GEEK alert) of the Star Trek episode where that Dooms Day machine was roaming around gobbling up worlds. I did a sketch. On the whole I didn’t find this an extremely tough object and have certainly gone deeper with this little scope. Don’t get me wrong though, as it wasn’t an easy find. SQM reading was pretty bad too for this site at only 20.87. By the time I finished the sketch around 2330hrs the Moon had been up for almost an hour but hadn’t risen over the treed hill to the east. At that point ease of seeing the Glob was dropping.
Round two, with NGC 6118. On the next night under nearly identical conditions (SQM 20.89) I started my search for NGC 6118 with my little 6 inch. I wasn’t using an overly detailed finder chat because like the night before, I wanted to see how well the object would “jump right out at me”.
Finding the correct location wasn’t difficult at all, because NGC 6118 is located just 17 arc minutes to the SW of the naked eye star HD 147550. This star is located right on the western border of Ophiucus where it meets the SE border of Serpens Caput. It took awhile playing with magnification to create the right balance between image scale and background brightness until I was sure that what I believed I was seeing, was actually what I was seeing. Eventually just to the NW of a very faint close pair of stars I could detect a roughly EW orientated extremely faint elongated glow. This was at 80X using my recently acquired 15mm Televue ploessl. Again I did a sketch.
Now I know that this only settles any debate for me. How sensitive people’s eyes are and how well they can detect individual objects can vary widely. For me though, NGC 6118 appeared to be a much more difficult object. If both of these objects are considered reasonably close in difficulty I would had thought NGC 6540 would have been more difficult considering how low in the sky it is located for my latitude. (48* 22’ N) but it wasn’t.
I’m including links to the sketches with inversions that I did. For the inversion I’ve tried as best as I could to dim the objects so they show as well as possible how they appeared against the background sky. Just a hint, NGC 6118 is in the left side of the FOV. When you click on the image it will enlarge.
NGC 6540, http://rascvic.zenfolio.com/p566114947/?photo=h29E2A037#702718007
NGC 6118 http://rascvic.zenfolio.com/p566114947/?photo=h29E2A037#1068626272
You be the judge. Or, do the experiment for yourself.
I found it interesting to see that these two objects were observed with 70mm “Refractor Red”. I hope to get back to the observatory Saturday night with my 12.5” dob but just may have to drag my ED 80 along.
Bill
-------------------- 6'' Orion SkyQuest
12.5'' f/5 Custom Truss Dob
William Optics 80mm ZenithStar II ED Doublet
f/5 25" newtonian on a giant GEM, any time I want
Observing sessions grand total for 2007, 171.
So far in 2008, 108
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LumpyDarkness
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Reged: 08/06/07
Posts: 306
Loc: San Francisco bay area
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I found it interesting to see that these two objects were observed with 70mm “Refractor Red”. I hope to get back to the observatory Saturday night with my 12.5” dob but just may have to drag my ED 80 along.
Good old JRF's reports. The H400 in his 70mm Vixen. I believe using the word "observed" is a bit optimistic in this case... perhaps "fleetingly detected" is closer. I don't doubt he detected them, he's a good friend, and a very experienced observer, but he's pulled my leg more than once....
Clear skies,
-------------------- Mark Wagner
18" f/4.5 Dob
The Astronomy Connection: Observing Reports - updated 11/18/08
Adventures In Deep Space: updated 11/12/08
Join us in June at California's Golden State Star Party
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Bill Weir
scholastic sledgehammer
Reged: 06/01/04
Posts: 879
Loc: Metchosin (Victoria), Canada
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Yeh, but just detecting something with small aperture can sure help later when observing with larger aperture. Case in point is with NGC 6118. The night after I made this observation I was at the newly constructed observatory of the Victoria Centre of the RASC. They have just installed a 14" SCT on a Paramount and are working out the bugs of alignment. They were going through the usual list of objects that we have all seen about a million times,(yawn) so just for kicks I said "how about NGC 6118. The scope slewed to target and I put my eye up to the 20mm Nagler (about 150X). At first I saw nothing then I cupped my eye to block the glow from the computer screen, and suddenly, BOOM, there it was, an easy to see, large, elongated, tilted spiral galaxy. It was perfectly centered in the eyepiece. It seemed quite obvious to me. The next guy up to the eyepiece said he couldn't see anything. Only one of the bunch said he believed he could see something. As I teased a description out of him it was obvious that he was seeing it. I went back to the eyepiece and it was even more obvious than the first look.
They then swung the scope back up to have another look at M 57. Oh well, at least we know the pointing accuracy is dead on.
Myself, I will continue to push my eyes.
Bill
-------------------- 6'' Orion SkyQuest
12.5'' f/5 Custom Truss Dob
William Optics 80mm ZenithStar II ED Doublet
f/5 25" newtonian on a giant GEM, any time I want
Observing sessions grand total for 2007, 171.
So far in 2008, 108
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Achernar
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Reged: 02/25/06
Posts: 3678
Loc: Alabama, USA
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I've tried for NGC-6118 a couple of times with my 10-inch, but haze and light pollution made the galaxy invisible. It's quite an accomplishment to see it through a 6-inch.
Taras
-------------------- 10-inch F/4.5 Discovery Dob
6-inch F/8 Homebuilt Dob
4 1/4-inch F/4 Homebuilt reflector
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BillFerris
Carpal Tunnel
   
Reged: 07/17/04
Posts: 2576
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Hi Bill,
Nice comparative observations with your 6 inch. When I observed NGC 6540 with my 10 inch, I found the most challenging aspects to be its small size and immediate environment. This tiny cluster (~1'.5 in size) resides within an incredibly rich star field. Under dark sky, it was difficult to know where the Milky Way ended and this cluster began. While many globulars are immediately recognizable by their circular form and rich stellar population, only a small handful of NGC 6540's stars are visible and the cluster has a decidedly irregular shape. This is one of those objects where high power is a must: NGC 6540
Under a similar dark sky, I found NGC 6118 to be comparatively easy. It's 3 times the size of NGC 6540 and the surrounding field is relatively devoid of bright stars. It's not a high surface brightness galaxy but was immediately recognizable in the 10 inch.
Bill in Flag
-------------------- Grand Canyon Adventure
Lowering the Threshold
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10x50 Swift Audubon
Cosmic Voyage
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LumpyDarkness
sage
Reged: 08/06/07
Posts: 306
Loc: San Francisco bay area
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...there it was, an easy to see, large, elongated, tilted spiral galaxy. It was perfectly centered in the eyepiece. It seemed quite obvious to me. The next guy up to the eyepiece said he couldn't see anything.
It is interesting how practice allows us to see what others can't. Knowing where to look, knowing (somewhat) what to expect, helps, but I think the real reason you saw it and others didn't rest firmly in something that can be observed in your sig-line....
all of your observing sessions... experience makes a big difference.
Jay Freeman is *very* experienced. Here is the observing report you referred to, with 6118 and 6540. Palo Alto, his primary observing location with Refractor Red for the H400, is a "challenging" site for that project.
Do you know about Jay's observations of the CBR, and Einstein's Cross? :-)
Ah! Adding this after the fact... Jay observed these two objects from a local dark sky site, Fremont Peak. And on a good night, when the coastal fog covered the neighboring city lights. Here is that observation.... note that from a "good" site, 6118 was "at the edge" of averted imagina... er... vision ;-) Jay also goes on to say that 6540 "was notably easier than NGC 6118"...
I'm actually surprised there are so few observations of these targets in our group's observing reports archives.
-------------------- Mark Wagner
18" f/4.5 Dob
The Astronomy Connection: Observing Reports - updated 11/18/08
Adventures In Deep Space: updated 11/12/08
Join us in June at California's Golden State Star Party
Edited by LumpyDarkness (07/26/08 01:52 PM)
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