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John Wunderlin
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Re: Revolutionary new way of focusing! No less! new [Re: akira]
      #2635352 - 09/10/08 04:36 PM

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1. since i am the owner of an 8'' dob and i am starting astrophotography with an heq5 pro mount do i need this mask for focusing or is it only for SCTs, MACs etc?




I can field the 1st part. The mask will work well with any type of scope. If you have spider vanes, their diffraction spikes will also appear, but are much, much dimmer than the triple diffraction spike pattern and do not interfere.

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Re: Revolutionary new way of focusing! No less! new [Re: John Wunderlin]
      #2635398 - 09/10/08 05:02 PM

The angled bars are at +/-20 degrees from the centerline.

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Re: Revolutionary new way of focusing! No less! new [Re: akira]
      #2635579 - 09/10/08 07:09 PM

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hi i'm new to this forum and i followed this link from another forum. my questions for this mask are two


2. the angled bars are at 40 degrees from the center of the of the mask or 20 degrees (i saw this value at another forum)




The original design Dennis presented (and I believe might be directly from Pavel's) the diagonals are at a + or - 40 degree angle. The mask I made is using a + or - 20 degree angle. The big difference will be the resulting total area between the diffraction spikes.

Cheers!

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Re: Revolutionary new way of focusing! No less! new [Re: snowdragonusa]
      #2635604 - 09/10/08 07:20 PM Attachment (159 downloads)

So, I have received many requests for the scalable vector graphic drawing I did for the Bahtinov Mask. So I figured I would post the 'email' I was sending everyone and include the actual files here so anyone can download and use them. Please do not use my drawings to produce masks to sell. These drawings are provided to the community as open source and should always be treated as such.



Quote:

Hello!

Thank you all for waiting. I must apologize in advance. I had made a mistake in the asking the size of aperture on each of your scopes. I actually needed the full front diameter of your scopes so the mask can sit in front without leaking light in through the sides. I suppose it isn’t that big of a deal but I also didn’t want to send you a useless size.

So I have included the scalable vector drawing that I made. This way you can simply scale it to the exact size you need with out waiting. You will need to download and install Inkscape if you haven’t already. Alternatively you can import the file in to any other editing software that supports svg files (scalable vector graphics) such as Corel Draw.

In addition I have included a new drawing I did that is more designed for refractors. The central obstruction is greatly reduced to allow more light through. Please let me know how it works out if you try it.

Once you have Inkscape installed simply open the svg file. Select the arrow tool in the upper left side and click on the mask. On the far right side of the measurement boxes near the top middle of the screen, change the ‘px’ selection to ‘mm’ – this is your measurement unit. Next, in the right two measurement boxes, enter in the diameter of your scope opening. Enter the same number for both boxes so your mask is a perfect circle.

Click on “File” and export your resized mask as a bitmap. This will allow you to more easily print out your new pattern from your preferred printing program. Here is a screen shot with the items I just mentioned circled.

That should get you a nice new mask to try out. Whether you print it out on paper and cut it out or you have one cut for you, please let me know how it works out for you! Please let me know if you have any questions!

Cheers!




This is the scalable vector graphic for the SCT Bahtinov Mask.

SCT Bahtinov Mask Vector File

This is the scalable vector graphic for the Refractor Bahtinov Mask.

Refractor Bahtinov Mask Vector File

Here is the screen shot mentioned above to show where the InkScape commands/buttons/options are.

Cheers!


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Adam
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Re: Revolutionary new way of focusing! No less! new [Re: snowdragonusa]
      #2635623 - 09/10/08 07:37 PM

I decided to make of of these masks today. So I printed the one posted for refrators and scaled it to 4.75" which is the inner diameter of a 5" plastic pot for planting. Then I cut a piece of .032" ABS and pasted the printed drawing on to its surface. Then I cut the channels from there edge to the inside with a pair of tin snips, small ones like scissors. Then used a exacto knife to cut the small ends left of the channel cuts. Once I removed the channel cuts, I had a mask and removed the pasted on paper printout. Next, I used a hair drier to heat the ABS which makes it go back to its original shape, eliminating any slight bending resulting from the cutting.
Next I cut off the bottom of the planting pot, so that it would just slip into the dew shield of the 80mm APO. Then I used hot glue to glue the cut out mask onto the step lip on the top of the pot. Then painted it flat black inside and out.
Looks pretty good, cost was about $.25 for the pot and I had the ABS laying around as a scrap from items that I make for people.
The next time I go out I will give it a try along with the other mask I just made to see which works the best. I will post what I find.
Blueman.

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Re: Revolutionary new way of focusing! No less! new [Re: blueman]
      #2635795 - 09/10/08 09:25 PM

Will this design also work for Newts? I have a 12" scope on a CGE that I use for astro video astronomy using a Mallincam Hyper Color Plus, and so far I just use the defraction spikes to focas with. I do get good results, but I'm wondering if this might make things even better.

Would the spider veins play havoc with this method?

Neil

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Re: Revolutionary new way of focusing! No less! new [Re: smokin oakum]
      #2635807 - 09/10/08 09:29 PM



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Re: Revolutionary new way of focusing! No less! new [Re: smokin oakum]
      #2635810 - 09/10/08 09:31 PM

As someone else posted you will still see some diffraction spiking from the spider but the Bahtinov Mask diffraction spikes should still be very easy to see for focusing. You will just have some extras in there.

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Adam
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Lunt 60mm Ha & CaK solar scopes
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Re: Revolutionary new way of focusing! No less! new [Re: snowdragonusa]
      #2635830 - 09/10/08 09:40 PM

Quote:

As someone else posted you will still see some diffraction spiking from the spider but the Bahtinov Mask diffraction spikes should still be very easy to see for focusing. You will just have some extras in there.




Thanks Adam. I should have looked closer to the other posts to find my answer. I must have put isramirez to sleep. Not sure that was most polite way of comming across, but anyway...

I'll look up the program to download the scaled template.

Thanks again.

Neil

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Re: Revolutionary new way of focusing! No less! new [Re: smokin oakum]
      #2635849 - 09/10/08 09:52 PM

No worries Neil. Let me know if you run into any issues scaling that file. Just remember the exact measures for your scope could be slightly off but should be OK as long as you don't have a funky FL scope.

I think isramirez is asleep waiting for his skies to clear up. The poor guy has an awesome Bahtinov Mask to use but no clear skies to use it on.

Cheers!

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Adam
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Lunt 60mm Ha & CaK solar scopes
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Re: Revolutionary new way of focusing! No less! new [Re: snowdragonusa]
      #2635924 - 09/10/08 10:28 PM

Sorry guys but i'm bussy creating my Pavel Mask because the previus design was not the correct for my IM715 scope... i just did a minimal effort in this great thread (click's with mouse) and got all the info i was looking for

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Re: Revolutionary new way of focusing! No less! new [Re: isramirez]
      #2635966 - 09/10/08 10:47 PM

To Dennis, John or any Russian speakers...

Do you suppose it would be possible to establish a PayPal Donation account for Pavel Bahtinov?

I'd certainly contribute as I'm sure many others here would...
Just a thought.

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Re: Revolutionary new way of focusing! No less! new [Re: jimguy08]
      #2636102 - 09/10/08 11:53 PM

I think you can contact him, here's his account page with e-mail from the Russian forum
http://www.astronomy.ru/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=408


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John Wunderlin
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Re: Revolutionary new way of focusing! No less! new [Re: jimguy08]
      #2636105 - 09/10/08 11:56 PM

I actually had the same thought today. We are still trying to work out some issues on that front directly with Pavel which is quite challenging with the language barrier, but hopefully we'll get there. I would be happy to host a link on our site with a 'tip jar' for Pavel. I think it would be a great idea.

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John Wunderlin
Vendor - Spike-a Bahtinov Focusing Mask
Empire Ranch Observatory
Iowa County Astronomers


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Re: Revolutionary new way of focusing! No less! new [Re: Podarok]
      #2636109 - 09/10/08 11:59 PM

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I think you can contact him, here's his account page with e-mail from the Russian forum
http://www.astronomy.ru/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=408




We didn't have any luck with his email directly. Not sure if it was a firewall or what - Jerry finally signed up on his forum and translated everything into Russian! Very creative!

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John Wunderlin
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Re: Revolutionary new way of focusing! No less! new [Re: John Wunderlin]
      #2636123 - 09/11/08 12:09 AM

Well I guess another way would be to send him a private forum message by clicking on (hmm, I can't type in Russian here for some reason, it shows up as gibberish) on that page, here's the direct link http://www.astronomy.ru/forum/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=408
but you probably have to register for that. Or post a message in the thread about the mask itself http://www.astronomy.ru/forum/index.php/topic,10421.300.html I don't think there will be a problem understanding English. Understanding what those automatic translators write might be harder.

Edited by Podarok (09/11/08 12:13 AM)


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Re: Revolutionary new way of focusing! No less! new [Re: snowdragonusa]
      #2636125 - 09/11/08 12:11 AM Attachment (123 downloads)

Here is my 2nd generation Bahtinov mask. I found some 6mm thick hobby foam at JoAnn's. Cutting it was much more challenging than I thought, but it came out OK. I had some left over to glue-gun a 3cm wide ring around it for easy mounting. No stars tonight so I'll have to wait and see how well it works another night.

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Re: Revolutionary new way of focusing! No less! new [Re: smokin oakum]
      #2636147 - 09/11/08 12:23 AM

I wanted to play in the Greatest Thread Ever, too, so I threw together a Bhatinov mask generator.

http://astrojargon.net/maskgen.aspx

Put in the numbers, press "submit" and voila, an SVG file appears scaled to the rules I found perusing the thread.

The *big* caveat (other caveats appear on the page) is that I haven't actually tested the results. The second biggest caveat is that while Inkscape *displays* the resulting SVG perfectly, it doesn't *print* it worth a darn. Apparently there are some Inkscape print bugs.

I did actually print a couple from Firefox, and they seemed to be scaled perfectly, but what do I know (see big caveat, above).

You might have to tweak what I call the "Bahtinov Factor" in order to get the lines on the left to show up where they should (i.e., with a gap in the middle), but I don't know if that's super critical.

If you see any issues, or have any suggestions, either PM me here or drop me a line at the e-mail address on that page.

Note, however, that I'm going away Friday morning for a romantic weekend with the wife - no computer (and, sadly, no scopes - tho I might try to sneak the binoculars into the car), so I won't be able to respond for a couple of days.

David

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Bahtinov Mask Generator * AstroCataLink * 40DShutterCount

Edited by FarmerDave (09/11/08 12:24 AM)


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Re: Revolutionary new way of focusing! No less! new [Re: FarmerDave]
      #2636192 - 09/11/08 12:51 AM

Impressive!

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Re: Revolutionary new way of focusing! No less! [Re: FarmerDave]
      #2636246 - 09/11/08 01:35 AM

Nice work David! I can see where the playing with the 'Bahtinov value' can be tricky in trying to get the center 90 degree line centered. I played with some variations tonight to see if the center 90 deg. cutout needed to be centered and it looks like it is a key component to the success of the "centered" diffraction spike focus pattern.

That is such a seriously cool little generator you made! Can you have a variable to adjust the right side's line angle? Also, can you group the sections together so the 90 degree slits can be unblocked (as the right sides are) so they can be centered more easily?

Cheers!

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Adam
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Lunt 60mm Ha & CaK solar scopes
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Denver Astronomical Society
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