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Rccarruth
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First New Eyepiece for a StarBlast 6
      #2558169 - 08/03/08 07:33 PM

I'm about to buy my first new eyepiece to go with a StarBlast6. I thought I had my heart settled on a Vixen LVW 22mm. But then I saw the Baader Hyperion 8-24mm zoom. I probably won't be adding any other eyepieces for a while so the flexibility of the Baader is appealing. It seems to be highly regarded around here.

Any thoughts? I'd also appreciate any other eyepiece recommendations that come to mind for this scope.

Thanks,
-Clark


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Re: First New Eyepiece for a StarBlast 6 new [Re: Rccarruth]
      #2560253 - 08/04/08 07:24 PM

Hrm, maybe I wasn't specific enough with my questions. Has anyone tried this eyepiece with a StarBlast6? If not, has anyone tried it with an F5 Dob? In either case, I'd appreciate the user's impressions.

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Re: First New Eyepiece for a StarBlast 6 new [Re: Rccarruth]
      #2561794 - 08/05/08 01:00 PM

I've use the 22mm LVW in a StarBlast 4.5. This is a very good combination, long eyerelief and wide field near the max TFOV. I have not used the Baader zoom but I think the AFOV is narrower at the longest focal length. I would think you would want the widest field at the lowest power instead.

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Re: First New Eyepiece for a StarBlast 6 new [Re: Alan K]
      #2561821 - 08/05/08 01:11 PM

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I probably won't be adding any other eyepieces for a while so the flexibility of the Baader is appealing




Seems like a good call. Fixed eyepieces are much better, but if your budget for astronomy is slim, it does make sense to go for a zoom. That said, adding a second eyepiece, even one of the economy models seems like a must to me; Try an do Hyperion Zoom + 32mm Plössl. Once you have the two, you should be golden for a while. Gear-itis and Aperture fever might catch-up to you eventually, but with that, you can do everything within the reach of your telescope's capability, and can concentrate for a while on getting Atlases, Planispheres and field guides to help you progress.

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Re: First New Eyepiece for a StarBlast 6 new [Re: cuir]
      #2562250 - 08/05/08 05:08 PM

Seems like the Hyperion zoom would be a good choice for that scope, whether it's a first scope or a backup grab-n-go. Would make for good enjoyable viewing, and if you add a 32mm Plossl as Seb mentions, you'll be set for a while. Happy viewing Clark.

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Re: First New Eyepiece for a StarBlast 6 new [Re: mosdc61]
      #2562309 - 08/05/08 05:41 PM

If we actually get a clear night here, I can do that test for you as I have the Starblast 6 and the Baader 8-24 zoom. I've brought out both so far but the zoom didn't make into the focuser. Here's to clear skies!

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Re: First New Eyepiece for a StarBlast 6 new [Re: Rccarruth]
      #2562527 - 08/05/08 07:26 PM

I'm happy with my Hyperion Zoom in my Orion 130ST f/5 Newtonian. The AFOV at the 24mm setting is a little under 50 deg. At the 20mm setting it opens up enough so that the TFOV is the same at the 24mm or 20mm setting, so rarely use the 24mm setting. From 16mm to 8mm the afov is nice and wide. So given the smallish afov at the 24mm setting, there is no real issue with edge performance and it's fine IMO. At the 8mm setting I've run tests against the 8mm Hyperion and feel the HypZoom is a little sharper/contrastier.

While I usually tote fixed FL EPs out with the Zoom for this scope, I usually end up just using the zoom since it's so convenient. And when I need high power I simply put a barlow under it and it's great to have all that flexibility of short FLs now. For wide field scanning though, I usually take a 30mm or 32mm Plossl with me to get more TFOV. So basically, a 32mm Plossl + 8-24 HypZoom + Barlow pretty much does it all (which is what I take when I travel since so convenient). btw, I usually take a 3x barlow so the 8-24 becomes a 2.7mm-8mm zoom...handy for lunar/planetary.

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Re: First New Eyepiece for a StarBlast 6 new [Re: Lew Zealand]
      #2562603 - 08/05/08 07:55 PM

Thanks gentlemen for your input. This is my first scope. I read a lot of reviews of the Baader zoom but I couldn't seem to find any specific comments on its performance in F5 or faster scopes. I am sort of lumping responses to everyone together in this post.

From your replies, it doesn't seem like anyone has any particular concerns about the combo other than lacking wide-field low-power capability. I have a 25mm plossl currently and a 2x Barlow. Not exactly what was recommended, but close.

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If we actually get a clear night here, I can do that test for you as I have the Starblast 6 and the Baader 8-24 zoom. I've brought out both so far but the zoom didn't make into the focuser. Here's to clear skies!




If you get a chance, that'd be fantastic. I haven't been able to find any impressions with exactly this scope/ep combo. Thanks!

-Clark


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Re: First New Eyepiece for a StarBlast 6 new [Re: Rccarruth]
      #2565356 - 08/07/08 12:39 AM

Hi Clark,

I did get out last night with the Starblast 6 and my Hyp Zoom, as well as the 24, 17, and 8mm Hyperions. It was among the best nights for transparency we get here in the LA 'burbs— which means that it was reasonable as opposed to a horrible waste of time.

Short story: the zoom works as well in my f/5 Starblast as in my f/6 achromat and f/10 SCT.

So what does that mean? My observations in the f/5 Starblast agree with the now mostly common knowledge of the limitations of this EP (and my observations in my other scopes):

• At 24mm it has vignetted edges, significant field curvature (FC) and some astigmatism (AS), as well as a small AFOV. Since the TFOV pretty much matches the 20mm, I don't use this setting.
• At 20mm it cleans up noticeably with no vignetting, with less but still noticeable FC and less AS. Here, the AFOV is much wider and matches a 20mm Meade 4000 Plossl (4-element) at ~50°.
• At 16mm, there is even less but still some FC, almost no AS and a somewhat wider AFOV
• At 12mm, there's just a touch of FC— easily accommodated by my eye, no noticeable AS, and again a somewhat wider AFOV
• At 8mm, there's pretty much no FC, no AS, and the AFOV gets *much* wider and in direct AFOV comparison, is maybe a degree or 2 smaller than the fixed focal length Hyp 8.

The eye relief at all settings is comfortable for me with thin glasses on and I can see the entire FOV. It has a nice twist up eyeguard for regular use.

As fat as what I could see thru the EP vs the others, I viewed M4, 7, 13, 22, 27, 57 and Jupiter. The views of all except for M22 were quite similar between the Hyp Zoom set to 8mm or 17mm and the Hyp 8mm and 17mm fixed focal length EPs. In fact it was *very* enjoyable to zoom in and out on Jupiter (with and w/o a 2x Parks GS barlow), M27 and M57. 8mm is just about the perfect stopping point for those 2 nebulas in this scope. M13 and M4 left me wanting more zoom in though I didn't use the barlow with them (I have no good excuse for that). M4 is a big challenge in the backyard and in fact I've never seen it in the achro or the SCT but now on 2 successive nights out with the Starblast, I've seen it though in my even more badly LP south, it's on the edge of seeing. I spotted it at 20mm in the Zoom and dove in to 8mm to have a closer, if lackluster due to LP, look.

And now M22.

Now I am not an experienced comparer of EPs and generally don't pit them against each other though I have 3 complete lines consisting of Meade S4000 Plossls, cheap widefields (65-70°), and good but still inexpensive widefields (60-70°). Maybe I'll do that 3 way comparo one day but probably not...

Here was the first time I've compared different EPs and seen a repeatable and discernible difference. When centered in the FOV, I could see more definition and stars in the fixed focal length 8 and 17mm Hyps than the Hyp Zoom set to 8mm or 17mm. I switched back and forth a number of times and could see the individual stars in the cluster more easily, comfortably and consistently in the fixed focal length EPs. It wasn't a *huge* difference but it was a noticeable one.

In any case, I feel that the Hyperion Zoom is a very good fit for this scope as I did not see that the f/5 focal ratio diminished the Zoom's performance much if at all compared to my other higher focal ratio scopes. If I could change 1 thing about the Hyp Zoom, I'd ask for it to go from 20mm to 6mm instead of 24mm to 8mm.

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Re: First New Eyepiece for a StarBlast 6 new [Re: Lew Zealand]
      #2568401 - 08/08/08 12:31 PM

Lew:

Thanks for this fantasticly thorough report. This is exactly what I need to make a decision. If this is the first time you've done such a report, you should definitely do them more often.

-Clark


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