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How to Make Your Star Party Almost Heaven
      #2563854 - 08/06/08 12:37 PM

How to Make Your Star Party Almost Heaven
By: Rod Mollise


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Re: How to Make Your Star Party Almost Heaven new [Re: Mike Loffland]
      #2564121 - 08/06/08 02:19 PM

Nice article Rod,

I agree with the majority of all the points you've made. In the midwest we once had an awesome star party called Astrofest. Although Astrofest still exsists, its feeble remnant of its once great stature. At the zenith of its being, it drew nearly 1000 attendees and an average 20-25 vendors, 3 of which were major players in the industry. Unfortunately, I believe greed and ego got the best of all people involved with running the event, and as a result the astro-community at large ended up being the biggest victims.

The Prairie Skies star party still runs every year at the old charming Astrofest location, and is still allot of fun. But, it is no where near the kind of event the original Astrofest once was.

Truly sad indeed.

PR

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Re: How to Make Your Star Party Almost Heaven new [Re: Paul R.]
      #2564545 - 08/06/08 05:53 PM

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Nice article Rod,

I agree with the majority of all the points you've made. In the midwest we once had an awesome star party called Astrofest. Although Astrofest still exsists, its feeble remnant of its once great stature. At the zenith of its being, it drew nearly 1000 attendees and an average 20-25 vendors, 3 of which were major players in the industry. Unfortunately, I believe greed and ego got the best of all people involved with running the event, and as a result the astro-community at large ended up being the biggest victims.


PR




I really, really wanted to make it up to Astrofest some year. Waited too long. Dangit. I'm doin' it too:

I have heard the whold sad story. Shame.

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Re: How to Make Your Star Party Almost Heaven new [Re: rmollise]
      #2564561 - 08/06/08 06:01 PM

Uncle Rod,

You can still attend Prarie Skies SP in which is run by the original A/fest people. It is still held at the same place; camp Shawanasee, in which still holds the same charm. Unfortunately, few if any vendors attend, and attendence is way down to like 3-400 people instead of the 800-1000 it use to draw.

Its still way better then the new A/fest location in which is held in the same reigon, but at a featureless farm right next to a highway that sports speeding automobiles and high-beam headlights.

I use to save my money during the year so when I went to A/fest I not only had fun observing with so many different people through tons and tons of different scopes, but I always came home with a new toy.

Who knows, maybe one day the two sides can for once and all bury the hatchet and do what is right for the astro-community at large.

PR

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Re: How to Make Your Star Party Almost Heaven new [Re: Paul R.]
      #2564594 - 08/06/08 06:16 PM

Nice article. I doubt I will ever attend a true 'dark sky' star party myself (I am one of those night vision destroying Imagers). Personally I enjoy the company of others who have a similar interest in the night sky, friendship and dare I say it, a beverage or two. Any star party that takes itself too seriously (with regard to rigid rules and regs) generates no interest for me.

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Re: How to Make Your Star Party Almost Heaven new [Re: Mike Loffland]
      #2564935 - 08/06/08 08:41 PM

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How to Make Your Star Party Almost Heaven
By: Rod Mollise




Hi, Rod,
Great article.
One question: when you go to sleep after a night of observing, what do you do with your telescope? If you are camping, you can sleep close to it, I suppose, but if you are staying in a cabin or off site in a motel, what do you do with the telescope? It is probably not safe to leave it unattended, but if it is a largish scope it is a big job setting it up and taking it down every day.
This makes me think that dark sky star parties are made for people with campers, tents, large RVs they can sleep in, or small telescopes easily set up and taken down.
I am familiar only ith the old Astrofest, and Hidden Hollow, and the old Shingletown Star Party in CA.
What do you think, based on your experience? What scope do you bring and how do you keep it safe and secure when you are sleeping?

Thanks,
Bill

P.S. I have ordered the Urban Astronomer's Guide.
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Re: How to Make Your Star Party Almost Heaven new [Re: auriga]
      #2565059 - 08/06/08 09:47 PM

Great article Rod. Man, you are on a roll lately.

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Re: How to Make Your Star Party Almost Heaven new [Re: auriga]
      #2565655 - 08/07/08 07:45 AM

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How to Make Your Star Party Almost Heaven
By: Rod Mollise




Hi, Rod,
Great article.
One question: when you go to sleep after a night of observing, what do you do with your telescope? If you are camping, you can sleep close to it, I suppose, but if you are staying in a cabin or off site in a motel, what do you do with the telescope? It is probably not safe to leave it unattended, but if it is a largish scope it is a big job setting it up and taking it down every day.
This makes me think that dark sky star parties are made for people with campers, tents, large RVs they can sleep in, or small telescopes easily set up and taken down.
I am familiar only ith the old Astrofest, and Hidden Hollow, and the old Shingletown Star Party in CA.
What do you think, based on your experience? What scope do you bring and how do you keep it safe and secure when you are sleeping?

Thanks,
Bill

P.S. I have ordered the Urban Astronomer's Guide.
Bill




It's safe to leave the scope setup at any star party I've ever attended. Oh, in case of wind weather, cover with a "desert storm" style tarp and stake down the tripod legs (leave a dob free to "windvane."). Who wants to setup/polar align a scope every night?

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Re: How to Make Your Star Party Almost Heaven new [Re: rmollise]
      #2566296 - 08/07/08 01:46 PM

It is generally safe to leave the scope set up at the observing site, but one should take the small stuff like eyepieces. At Texas Star Party, it is best that you batten down your scope, because the wind can really get strong during the day.

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Re: How to Make Your Star Party Almost Heaven new [Re: David L]
      #2566766 - 08/07/08 05:55 PM

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It is generally safe to leave the scope set up at the observing site, but one should take the small stuff like eyepieces. At Texas Star Party, it is best that you batten down your scope, because the wind can really get strong during the day.




I'm afraid I have to agree. "It" doesn't happen frequently, but it does happen. The eyepieces go back in the vehicle. Leastways when I'm packin' Nags and Uwans...

TSP = cover scope and stake down with landscaping nails. I have seen a beautiful Orange Tube C8 lifted into the air by one of the legendary Prude Ranch Dust Devils.





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Re: How to Make Your Star Party Almost Heaven new [Re: rmollise]
      #2569590 - 08/08/08 11:23 PM

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How to Make Your Star Party Almost Heaven
By: Rod Mollise




Hi, Rod,
Great article.
One question: when you go to sleep after a night of observing, what do you do with your telescope? If you are camping, you can sleep close to it, I suppose, but if you are staying in a cabin or off site in a motel, what do you do with the telescope? It is probably not safe to leave it unattended, but if it is a largish scope it is a big job setting it up and taking it down every day.
This makes me think that dark sky star parties are made for people with campers, tents, large RVs they can sleep in, or small telescopes easily set up and taken down.
I am familiar only ith the old Astrofest, and Hidden Hollow, and the old Shingletown Star Party in CA.
What do you think, based on your experience? What scope do you bring and how do you keep it safe and secure when you are sleeping?

Thanks,
Bill

P.S. I have ordered the Urban Astronomer's Guide.
Bill




It's safe to leave the scope setup at any star party I've ever attended. Oh, in case of wind weather, cover with a "desert storm" style tarp and stake down the tripod legs (leave a dob free to "windvane."). Who wants to setup/polar align a scope every night?



Tom Noe, designer and maker of Teleport Telesopces, had a brand new 10 inch model stolen at the Riverside Telscope Makers star party.
I would be afraid to leave a multi hundred or multi-thousand dollar scope unattended for hours.
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Re: How to Make Your Star Party Almost Heaven new [Re: auriga]
      #2571616 - 08/10/08 07:14 AM

Hi Rod,

Wonderful article!! The one thing you didn't mention was swap tables. Vendors from name companies are great - seeing the newest equipment and even some stuff that's not on the market yet, but when it comes to bargains, the amateur swap area excels. At good swap tables one can get everything from older books to back issues of those long gone mags to individual gears, eyepieces, filters, lenses, mirrors, to complete telescopes.

The other thing that you didn't mention was the higher entry cost if you aren't preregistered - some star parties have double the entry cost at the gate. Adding a little to the cost at the gate encourages preregistration - doubling the price of admission just keeps folk away. And, what's the sense if there's plenty of room??

Again, thanks for the great article!!
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Re: How to Make Your Star Party Almost Heaven new [Re: Paul R.]
      #2572236 - 08/10/08 02:07 PM

I love the article and as I get older I tend to agree with the "comfort over absolute black sky" sentiment. Nebraska Star Party is unbelievable for dark skies but you pay dearly in terms of comfort -- it's simply brutal.

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Re: How to Make Your Star Party Almost Heaven new [Re: Stan Lopata]
      #2572323 - 08/10/08 02:55 PM

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Hi Rod,

Wonderful article!! The one thing you didn't mention was swap tables. Vendors from name companies are great - seeing the newest equipment and even some stuff that's not on the market yet, but when it comes to bargains, the amateur swap area excels. At good swap tables one can get everything from older books to back issues of those long gone mags to individual gears, eyepieces, filters, lenses, mirrors, to complete telescopes.

The other thing that you didn't mention was the higher entry cost if you aren't preregistered - some star parties have double the entry cost at the gate. Adding a little to the cost at the gate encourages preregistration - doubling the price of admission just keeps folk away. And, what's the sense if there's plenty of room??

Again, thanks for the great article!!
Stan




HI Stan:

I guess I didn't mention 'em cause I haven't seen much interest in 'em of late. Even at TSP the swap tables are bare. It may be different at Stellafane and RTMC, I hope.

As for "more for walkins" or "more for folks who don't register by X date." I'm torn on this. While I don't want to see anyone left out, it's only right IMHO that the "Let's see how the weather looks before we send our money" crowd be penalized in a small way.

I mean, a star party is about the gull-derndest cheapest vacation you will find. While admittedly I DO do many as a guest (as a speaker, that is), I also do quite a few as a "private citizen;" I'll be attending Chiefland that way in October, driving home, and picking up Miss Dorothy and heading to the Deep South Regional Star Gaze the next weekend. Yeah, I am eat up with it.



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Re: How to Make Your Star Party Almost Heaven new [Re: auriga]
      #2575557 - 08/11/08 10:37 PM

I attend as many star parties as I can. I've never felt my equipment was in danger, although small, valuable items like my laptop, eyepieces, and small refractors get put away. Once I left my laptop out - it was still there in the morning - soaked with dew. One thing I quickly realized was that a lot of people had much fancier equipment than mine. Also there are LOTS of people around 24/7.

If you are worried about security, just take a tent, lawn chair, and binoculars and walk around and look through other peoples scopes. One guy I know NEVER bothers with a telescope - and has a wonderful time.

Going to a star party is totally fun for a bunch of reasons. I encourage it. The worst problem I've had is freezing - it can get darn cold out there.

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Re: How to Make Your Star Party Almost Heaven new [Re: Astrogranny]
      #2576190 - 08/12/08 10:17 AM

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If you are worried about security, just take a tent, lawn chair, and binoculars and walk around and look through other peoples scopes. One guy I know NEVER bothers with a telescope - and has a wonderful time.

Going to a star party is totally fun for a bunch of reasons. I encourage it. The worst problem I've had is freezing - it can get darn cold out there.






And I think this is an OK way to do a star party for some folks. Keep in mind, though, that while plenty of people will be only too happy to let you look through their scope, quite a few folks, who don't get to dark sites often, will be trying to do serious observing projects and will NOT appreciate someone looking over their shoulder and constantly intoning, "Watcha lookin' at mister? Watcha lookin at? Can I have a peep? Huh? Can I?"

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Re: How to Make Your Star Party Almost Heaven new [Re: rmollise]
      #2577791 - 08/12/08 09:59 PM

And one never EVER bothers people who are imaging. The protocol here is to hang out and find someone who wants to show off their new stuff. They can usually be heard saying "Hey, wanna see ....". But you have to be really nice and praise their setup, which probably cost more than your car. And if they're not worried about security, why should you be?

Great article, Rod. Made the NOVAC folks deservedly ecstatic.


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Re: How to Make Your Star Party Almost Heaven new [Re: Astrogranny]
      #2579550 - 08/13/08 06:21 PM

nice article rod & thanks for talking about almost heaven star party. I never heard of it before. it's a lot closer then cherry springs and on the way towards family. that means I'll have better chance of getting to it then cherry springs

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Re: How to Make Your Star Party Almost Heaven new [Re: rmollise]
      #2580174 - 08/14/08 01:48 AM

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Nice article Rod,

I agree with the majority of all the points you've made. In the midwest we once had an awesome star party called Astrofest. Although Astrofest still exsists, its feeble remnant of its once great stature. At the zenith of its being, it drew nearly 1000 attendees and an average 20-25 vendors, 3 of which were major players in the industry. Unfortunately, I believe greed and ego got the best of all people involved with running the event, and as a result the astro-community at large ended up being the biggest victims.


PR




I really, really wanted to make it up to Astrofest some year. Waited too long. Dangit. I'm doin' it too:

I have heard the whold sad story. Shame.




Uncle Rod,
This is a wise and helpful article on star parties, and I understand a lot of it despite being a street urchin from New York rather than a good ol' boy.
But I have just come upon your new book, The Urban Astronomer's Guide (Springer-Verlag, London, 2006. What has happened to the Uncle Rod, whose earthy columns and posts in dialect from Possum Swamp we have come to know and love?
Have Rod the poet, and Rod the engineer, eluded the Dementors, escaped from Azkaban, and taken over, perhaps with the help of Springer?
The Urban Astronomer's Guide is written in elegant, lucid and flowing English. I would say no more than ten percent of the people writing books and columns for amateur astronomers can surpass that writing style. (Robert Burnham Jr. and Craig Crossen are of course in another class altogether from us mortals). Perhaps the book should be titled, The Urbane Astronomer's Guide.
I ordered the book merely to look at your comparative tests of aperture in urban light pollution, but found that the book is far more astute and detailed than anything I have seen on urban observing.
I noticed that in the second half of the book a lot of suggested observing tours of the deep sky are set forth in detail, and I thought to myself, here we go again, the usual lists and the usual data. I was startled to find instead a very original approach to each object, one that will really help the urban observer appreciate it.
An outstanding book.
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Re: How to Make Your Star Party Almost Heaven new [Re: rmollise]
      #2583151 - 08/15/08 01:02 PM

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..... Keep in mind, though, that while plenty of people will be only too happy to let you look through their scope, quite a few folks, who don't get to dark sites often, will be trying to do serious observing projects and will NOT appreciate someone looking over their shoulder and constantly intoning, "Watcha lookin' at mister? Watcha lookin at? Can I have a peep? Huh? Can I?"




A star party is a social event that’s for sharing the universe with others of all backgrounds, including folks who have no idea what is going on. I have no sympathy for the ‘leave me alone, I’m doing my observing project’ types. If they can’t share their views they really need to be at a private observing location, not a star party. I’ve been attending major star parties since 1995 and I always bring several scopes, including my Obsession 20 or 10-inch RC Cass, 20x80’s, h-alpha solar scope, etc. I have no problem with anyone looking thru my scope, asking for an object, and for experienced observers, using the focuser, keeping the object in view, etc. I would object to someone just walking up to my scope and start using it, or start picking up eyepieces, etc, on my observing table. I also expect parents to insure that their children behave in a safe manner that respects the equipment. However, I also expect that I’ll only personally get a third or less of the eyepiece time on my own scopes.

While anyone at a star party should realize that they shouldn’t monopolize the views, demand to see their favorite object, etc, I would have no problem with walking up to a scope owner in the dark and asking what they were looking at and could I have a look. People should also understand that the owner might be involved in some critical task, like setting up digital read-outs, screwing on some small scope piece, or downloading an image, and that could mean the owner has to be given some space for a time. However, to tell people that they shouldn’t expect a warm welcome when walking up to an observer in the dark is not in the spirit of what star parties are all about.

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Re: How to Make Your Star Party Almost Heaven new [Re: rmollise]
      #2583356 - 08/15/08 02:51 PM

I totally agree with not charging the vendors extra.
While it might seem that some of them sell a lot, they have to pay for staff, sometimes staff accommodations, rent a truck, fuel, food, etc. With margins being what they are, it takes a lot of sales just to break even. Smaller vendors like myself still have some of the same expenses, and I also have limited items to sell, so sales are never that great - breaking even is something I have yet to do. I don't go with the intent of making money, I go to meet the people and show them my stuff, and supply a door prize or two. I would never pay extra to do this, especially the $3-500 some places do. Therefore I couldn't go to our Starfest as a vendor, but I would still show my stuff since I own and use most of it anyway. Our Saskatchewan Summer Star Party goes out of its way in trying to keep us happy, even to offer free ads just for showing up. I use the SSSP as my main summer holiday, staying a whole week, to enjoy the park and the star party. The Star-B-Q and Alberta Star Party both are happy just to have us there. All the vendors that attend these 3 parties always give away some great door prizes. I remember going before I was a vendor, that being able to see new equipment was part of the reason for going. I would rather see the vendors not be charged at all, for 2 people, or at the very least nothing extra, as the door prizes and the viewing of their wares would seem to be payment enough.

As far as leaving equipment out in the open - so far no issues. Yes, all the small stuff should be put away. I also do my part to keep an eye on anyone setup near me (looking out for their stuff when they step away), and quite often take a walk around during the day, mainly to take pictures, but keeping an eye out just the same. On that note, I have found that 99.9% of the people at these events are some of the friendliest people around, from the person with no scope to the person with $30000 of equipment.



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Re: How to Make Your Star Party Almost Heaven new [Re: George N]
      #2589051 - 08/18/08 06:26 PM

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A star party is a social event that’s for sharing the universe with others of all backgrounds, including folks who have no idea what is going on. I have no sympathy for the ‘leave me alone, I’m doing my observing project’ types.




That's fine. If you want to spend your time sharing your views with folks, that's great. Let other people enjoy astronomy as they wish. No one is owed a look through anyone's scope.

Your sentiments _are_ exactly how a public star party should be run, no doubt about it. But I am not talking about a public outreach star party, but a serious event like TSP or Chiefland, or many more. If you've been to any of those, you've no doubt noted plenty of folks doing imaging. Do you walk up to them and ask them to remove their cameras from their scopes so you can have a look?



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Re: How to Make Your Star Party Almost Heaven new [Re: rmollise]
      #2591321 - 08/19/08 06:33 PM

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A star party is a social event that’s for sharing the universe with others of all backgrounds, including folks who have no idea what is going on. I have no sympathy for the ‘leave me alone, I’m doing my observing project’ types.




That's fine. If you want to spend your time sharing your views with folks, that's great. Let other people enjoy astronomy as they wish. No one is owed a look through anyone's scope.

Your sentiments _are_ exactly how a public star party should be run, no doubt about it. But I am not talking about a public outreach star party, but a serious event like TSP or Chiefland, or many more. If you've been to any of those, you've no doubt noted plenty of folks doing imaging. Do you walk up to them and ask them to remove their cameras from their scopes so you can have a look?






"No one is owed a look through anyone's scope." Interesting view. I on the other hand follow in John Dobson's footsteps:

"If you own a telescope, it is your duty to share it with people who don't." J. Dobson

That may be why I've spent thousands of hours doing "out reach" at our local public observatory.

While, with one exception, I've not tried doing CCD'ing at a star party, I see nothing wrong with asking an imager if I can take a look at his/her raw data files when they have a break. I even offer a visual view of the same object in exchange.

On those occasions when I’m doing visual or CCD at a level where I can’t afford interference, I do it at a private location, but then for me a “trip to dark sky” means walking outside my house. I do find it strange that someone would go to a star party, which by its very nature involves people being together to share an interest in astronomy, and then erecting an electrified chain-link fence around themselves so that no one disturbs them. While I can understand your point about a person with a once a year vacation to dark sky wanting to take advantage of that, perhaps a better place would be one of those astronomy villages.

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rmollise
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Re: How to Make Your Star Party Almost Heaven new [Re: George N]
      #2592738 - 08/20/08 11:00 AM

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"No one is owed a look through anyone's scope." Interesting view. I on the other hand follow in John Dobson's footsteps:

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No one is. The wonderful thing about amateur astronomy is that we are free to pursue it as we see fit. The great thing about the rules of amateur astronomy is that there are no rules.

I often enjoy showing off the sky to all and sundry. I'll put my years of doing public outreach and teaching astronomy up against the "thousands of hours" anybody else has put in.

Other times I'm interested in pursuing my observing programs. Many folks, you see, have very few opportunities to observe or image from dark sites, and it is natural they want to take advantage of them.

Most folks I've met at star parties, those using scopes, or those walking around looking for a peep through them are kind and generous. There are a few RUDE people who will tell you, "I'm busy." There are ALSO a few people on the other end, who basically want to insist on a look at scope or computer. That's just as rude. Why do people act this way? I put it down to our culture of entitlement--not that that necessarily includes you.

As I said previously, there's a difference between a public star party and a serious dark sky event. Sure, at a public outreach/sidewalk event, John Dobson's word is my law. At something like the TSP? The best way to get a look through a scope is bring a scope with you.

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Re: How to Make Your Star Party Almost Heaven new [Re: George N]
      #2594151 - 08/20/08 10:02 PM

Hi. I am someone who loves doing outreach and sharing views through my telescope even during "serious" star parties. That being said, I have to disagree with the notion that being at any star party obligates the telescope owner to share their views. Most of us do NOT have dark skies at home, and going to a place like NSP (for example) is the only time we would be able to see very faint objects visually. There have been nights where I politely say "I'm working on a personal program tonight" and that's never been a problem -- nor should it be. Sometimes its nice to shoot the breeze with the neighbors and swap views, other times it's nice to bag fifty objects on the Herschel-II list.

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Re: How to Make Your Star Party Almost Heaven new [Re: rmollise]
      #2599872 - 08/24/08 07:16 AM

"As I said previously, there's a difference between a public star party and a serious dark sky event. Sure, at a public outreach/sidewalk event, John Dobson's word is my law. At something like the TSP? The best way to get a look through a scope is bring a scope with you." Rod Mollise

Rod,

Great article! Of course there are always two sides to sharing your scope with the public at star parties. Here's another side that many may not have thought of, yet I have had to be careful with it since the 80s. I have usually had a very large scope at star parties, and there are times when it is just not comfortable to invite total strangers to climb high on the ladder to the eyepiece of a 36" or larger scope…

Many a time the person was so scared of hights that by the time they got up to the eyepiece the object being view was long gone. Other times elderly people have leaned against the scope for support, and you can imagine what the results of that was. So many times guests at my scope have stepped off the ladder long before they reached the ground. I've hurt myself trying to catch them before real disaster struck. Once, late at night I was explaining to a fellow high up the ladder how to move the Dob, but Jeannie interupted me and said, "Tom, I think Richard knows how to move a Dob!" I wasn't aware that Richard Berry had waited in line and then climbed the ladder - I was a bit tired at that time myself.

Having one of the largest scopes is always an attraction and I never view alone. I always have a few invited guests around to share our observing time with, but have become uncomfortable when an unknown comes up in the dark and asks for a peek - it seems like it usually happens when we are looking straight up!!

I now prefer to hold public viewing times when I can keep the scope pointed less than 45 degrees above the horizon. It's also a good time to keep bright objects in the eyepiece so the beginners eye's can see a view that is easy to see.

Now that my observatory and 42" scope are on the side of the observing field at Chiefland, there is a dim red porch light on the side of the dome. When the light is on everyone is invited to come in and look. The rest of the time there are just a few invited guest inside.

Any time you are at a star party and see a scope you would like to have a look thru, talk to the owner in the daytime and ask about the chance to look thru it that night. He will be happy to let you know when a convenient time would be for you to come by. You would be surprised how few ever ask in advance. When they do we bend over backwards for them.


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Re: How to Make Your Star Party Almost Heaven new [Re: Tom Clark]
      #2601707 - 08/25/08 12:19 AM

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......Of course there are always two sides to sharing your scope with the public at star parties. Here's another side that many may not have thought of, yet I have had to be careful with it since the 80s. I have usually had a very large scope at star parties, and there are times when it is just not comfortable to invite total strangers to climb high on the ladder to the eyepiece of a 36" or larger scope…




That’s an interesting point that I have certainly thought of before. Even with my ‘little’ 20-inch F/5 I insist that parents voice a willingness to take full responsibility for their children climbing my ladder. Even so, I’m sure I’d end up sued if someone fell while climbing my ladder and the star party organizers would probably be sued too.

It doesn’t take much of a fall to get badly injured particularly if you hit your head on something like a rock or vehicle. Last year a co-worker, a US Navy helicopter pilot just back fro