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Craig Smith
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I can see how it increases the effective aperture from a light-gathering perspective, but I don't understand how it could from a resolution perspective (such as with the globs). I would think you would still be limited by the resolution of the optics.
Is the background dark or light in light-polluted skies?
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john smith
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Reged: 01/01/07
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Has anyone tried it on planetary s such as M57? Would the center star be visible in our light-polluted skies?
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Tom Trusock
   
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It really does not increase the resolution, but increasing the light gathering power raises the contrast (also making faint stars brighter) and allows you to see more of the stars in globulars.
Yes, it works spectacularly well on most planetary nebulae.
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StarStuff1
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Reged: 04/01/07
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Loc: East Tennessee
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Using my home made IIE (Image Intensifying Eyepiece) which is virtually the same as a Collins unit I have seeen the seen the central star in M57 once while using a 15-in f/5 dob. This was on a good night on top of a dark mountain near 5000 ft.
Last night here was partly cloudy and very hazy. Using a 91mm f/6.6 apo and the IIE I viewed (among other things) three globulars: M4, M13 and M92. All were just blobs rather than globs. No stars resolved with magnifications up to 150X. But with the IIE working at 25X about a dozen stars were resolved in M4, two dozen or more in M92 and and 40+ in M13. I would expect the BIPH to perform even better.
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PEterW
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I'd be interested in knowing the spectral sensitivity of the unit. My guess is it peaks just beyond the red end of the visible spectrum. I'm curious about its response on galaxies, unless this is due to blue star forming regions which will not be well seen. As pointed out Hydrogen alpha (656nm) works very well. I would guess that blue stars and things like the plieades reflection nebula wont work well but globular clusters (with lots of old red stars) will. A filter/sensitivity choice that could help with galaxies would be useful, but shouldn't limit its use that much.
I wonder if there are any other useful emission lines (e.g. ones in the near infra-red) that this device could capitalise on with a suitable filter.
Also it would be interesting to know what the spectrum of light pollution does in the infra-red, assuming that the pollution is not from incandescent lights that is. If there is not too much, then a good filter for this device could be a long-pass filter blocking most of the visible.
Has anyone tried an OIII filter to see how far into the visible it can usefully work. It would be interesting to know the spectral response of the typical filters used in the astronomical community does outside the visible.
I do hope that the US regulations on these devices does not prevent their sale to Europe/Australia/New Zealand, which I believe was the case with the Collins device.
All the best.
PEterW
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BrendanF
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Yes, I meant focal ratio, though I typed f-number (I think that comes from my photography background). Sorry for the confusion.
I have read that II devices, like most electronic detectors, like fast focal ratios . Neither of my two telescopes are particularly fast (f7 and f12) so I have some concern. But since you said it was working well in an SCT at f10, then it would probably perform fine in either of my two scopes, and maybe even better if I could manage to get a focal reducer in.
Now, where to find the funds...
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Deep13
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When one looks into an eyepiece, one uses distance vision which is easy on the eyes. Won't looking at what amounts to a TV screen inches away from ones face cause eye strain, especially since a wide pupil results in a shallow depth of focus?
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Tom Trusock
   
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I've never noted any eyestrain using the collins, nor was any evident using this.
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JAB
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Reged: 11/26/06
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My concern is magnification. You say the effective focal length is "high 20s-low 30s" (The Collins I3 has 15mm option). That would seem to me to be the reason that the long focal length SCT gave the most impressive images among the scopes you viewed through. In my scopes, I do most of my viewing in the 7-12 mm range.
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Delmeteor
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A week ago, under dark New England skies, I had the opportunity to try out the new “Binocular Photon Machine” (BIPH) designed and built by Douglas Baum. It acts as an intensification eyepiece fitted directly into the telescope’s 2” focuser. The scope I observed through is an 18” Dobsonian running at F 4.2 with a focal length of 1920mm.
The intensifier has a unique viewing system where both eyes look into a single hooded screen as compared to the standard binoviewer system where each eye views through a separate eyepiece. It was very comfortable and there were absolutely no exit pupil problems.
I used the BIPH to view a broad array of deep sky objects including globulars, nebulas and galaxies. At first I was aware of the green intensifier screen to some extent, but after observing for a while, it became much less apparent, much the way it takes some time for the eyes to become dark adapted. What I did notice was an incredible increase in detail of the objects I studied.
M13 was my first target and it didn’t disappoint. I normally use one of the premier binoviewer systems with 19mm lenses which provide excellent views. The intensifier brought new detail to the object with ability to focus very finely. I moved on to M27, the Dumbbell, without any filter attached to my binoviewer. The view was large and bright. I then inserted the BIPH and it took on an entirely new range of detail. The nebula now extended well past the familiar dumbbell shape to show the entire nebula in fantastic detail with the upper and lower lobes that give M27 more of a football shape. Since I was in a nebula mode, I decided to try the BIPH on the Veil. This was one of the highlights of the entire night’s session under the stars. I first located it with the binoviewer minus any nebula filters and found it to be a nice image, although quite faint. Once I inserted the BIPH using a 9nm band pass H-alpha, the Veil took on a view, the likes of which I truly have never seen before, even in much larger dobs. The detail was extraordinary and the brightness was beyond description. I followed the Veil to both major sections observing bright knots, intertwining filamentary structure that had me in total awe. Similarly, the Crescent Nebula in Cygnus displayed the same amazing amount of detail with the distinct crescent shape that was lacking in the views not utilizing the BIPH. After catching my breath, I moved on to the edge-on spiral galaxy NGC 891 in Andromeda. I happen to love observing edge-on galaxies but as many of you know, they can be of very low surface brightness and hard to see in detail. NGC 891 is such a creature. My scope’s view without the BIPH displayed a very long narrow object that extended almost 2/3 of the field of view but was quite dim and could possibly even be missed when looking for it. The BIPH took care of that problem big time. The view was so bright and sharp that the central dust lane looked like someone had drawn it with a dark sketching pencil. The bulge was clear and defined as well as the galaxy’s arms extending out in both directions. This truly was a memorable moment in my many hours of observing with the scope. While I was on the galaxy kick, I decided to try M33, the big face -on galaxy in Triangulum. Again, I first found it through the regular binoviewer means which provided a rather dim view due to its extremely low surface brightness. Although I could make out some spiral structure, it was faint and lacking of any real detail. No problem! With the BIPH inserted into the focuser, M33 exploded into view. Structure of the arms was so vivid that knots could be seen in them which usually come out only in ccd images. The extent of detail and brightness on the BIPH screen was fantastic.
Once I packed up the big dob and stored it for the night, one might think the evening was over as far as observing goes but wait - with a 105mm SLR lense attached directly to the unit, I pointed it at the North American Nebula in Cygnus. The screen just displayed stars in the field but by holding a nebula filter directly in front of the camera lense, the nebula shot into view as distinct as could be from the Gulf of Mexico to the East Coast. The same result was achieved when I targeted the California Nebula in Perseus. What a kick!
In conclusion, my first experience using the BIPH system was incredible, to say the least, and I look forward to another session with it. The ability to insert the unit into the telescope’s focuser, as one would an eyepiece without the need of power supplies, cords, monitors, etc, makes this an observing accessory that every deep sky aficionado is surely going to want to own. Mike C.
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BrendanF
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Loc: Los Angeles, CA
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The August 2008 issue of ATT has a bunch of info on the BIPH (pp 18-19).
Among the info is the statement that the BIPH has a field of view that is equivalent to 42-mm eyepiece (type of eyepiece unstated, but I would guess normal 50 deg. AFOV type).
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Tom Trusock
   
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The FL looked a bit shorter than that. Doug said they had not determined it as yet.
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MikeV
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I too was at that small N.E. gathering mentioned in the above post by Mike C. I was happy to finally get a chance to attend a viewing session to really see what BIPH could do. I was a bit skepical as I have used Generation I & II night vision devices before and have not been impressed. This was a totally different experience. The fine resolution surprised me as did the lack of scintilation I was expecting. There was some, but it was quickly forgotten as you got lost in the image that was presented. Now this does sound like a lot of hype, but the device is really that good. The most memorable objects for me were the edge on galaxy NGC891 and cruising the Veil which presented itself in startling detail. All the wisps and intricate detail of the Veil were there for the taking and the dust lane in NGC 891 was astounding.
The most interesting part of using the BIPH was how easy it was to incorporate in a night of viewing. It was swapped in and out of the telescope as easy as changing an eyepiece. The BIPH simply got out of the way and I really enjoyed looking at all kinds of objects going back and forth between a regular eyepiece and BIPH deciding which method looked better. It was a lot of fun and certainly one of those special nights of observing that I will remember for a long time.
Cheers,
Mike V.
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