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Alvin Huey
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OR: Rambling the Obscure Summer Globular Clusters
      #2569808 - 08/09/08 02:56 AM

...and a couple Shakhbazian Groups


Nine TAC-Sac members gather together at our usual site, IHOP-4, at the Sierras. It is located about 100 minutes east of Sacramento off Hwy 50 at elevation 5000+ feet. 7 of the nine of us are visual observers with scopes ranging from 14.5” to 22”. There were one 14.5”, two 16”, two 18” and two 22” reflectors. Two imagers were among us, one with a TEC180FL and other with a 12” Meade LX200 with a TV85 mounted on it.

It turns out it is a very good night.

Some basics:
NELM = 6.8 – 6.9
Seeing 4/5
22” f/4.1 with mainly Tak LE eyepieces (10, 7.5 and 5mm) and a 20mm Pentax XW. I did use the 5mm TMB Supermonocentric on [PWM78] 2.


I decided to ramble over some of the summer obscure globular clusters. Then I got tired of looking low above the horizon all night, so I switched to Shakhbazian galaxy groups. I checked out at about 3:15AM.

I spent quite a bit of time on the tougher globulars, so I didn’t get to observe as many objects as I would like. But that’s okay.

Here it goes.

Palomar 14 (16 11 00.3 +14 57 49) Mag 14.7 SB 16.7 Size 2.5’
22” ( 230, 306 and 459x) – Extremely faint. Intermittingly visible with averted vision as a 45” diameter round glow with a stellar core. A 12.3 magnitude star lies 1’ NNW. MAC 1610+1455, lies 2.3’ SSW. It appears as a very faint round glow with no central brightening. This galaxy is best at 458x.


Palomar 15 (16 59 50.7 -00 31 59) Mag 14.2 SB ? Size 3.0’
22” (230x and 306x) – Very faint round patch. Even surface brightness throughout its 1.5’ diameter disk. It shows better at 230x. A 13.2 and 14.1 magnitude star lies about 3’ east.


Haute Province 1 (17 31 05.2 -29 58 54) Mag 12.5 SB 12.9 Size 1.2’
22” (230 and 306x) - Faint round patch with a slightly brighter center. About 45” across. Several stars were detected on the disk. A nearly collinear trio of 12.1 to 12.6 stars lies 1’ to the north.


Palomar 7, IC 1276 (18 10 44.2 -07 12 27) Mag 10.3 SB 14.8 Size 8’
22” (115 and 230x) – Faint low surface brightness large round glow. 4 stars detected on the mottled disk, otherwise no central brightening. It is easier to observe at 115x. About 4.2’ across.


[PWM 78] 2 (17 58 39.4 -05 04 21) Mag -- SB -- Size 2’
22” (306 and 459x) – field is easily located. Took me at least 5 minutes to just detect this extremely faint round glow. Could only hold for 50% of the time with averted vision once it was detected. I wiggled the scope and the glow wiggled with the background stars. About 30” across.


Liller 1 (17 33 24.5 -33 23 20) Mag 15.8 SB 13.2 Size 0.3’
22” (230, 306 and 459x) – star field easily located, but not detected.


Tonantzinilia 2 (17 36 10.5 -38 33 12) Mag 12.2 SB -- Size –
22” (230, 306 and 459x) – very low above horizon and almost behind trees. Appears as a very small very faint round patch. No central brightening. About 30” across. A string of 4 11 and 12th magnitude stars line from the NW to SSE.


Djorgovski 1 (17 47 28.3 -33 03 56) Mag 13.6 SB 13.1 Size 0.8’
22” (230, 306 and 459x) – Not detected.


1636-283, ESO 452-SC11 (16 39 25.0 -28 23 54) Mag 12 SB 12.4 Size 1.2’
22” (230, 306 and 459x) – Not detected.


UKS 1 (17 54 27.2 -24 08 43) Mag 17.3 SB 18.8 Size 2
22” (230, 306 and 459x) – Not detected.


2MASS-GC1 (18 08 21.8 -19 49 47) Mag -- SB -- Size –
22” (230, 306 and 459x) – Not detected.


2MASS-GC2 (18 08 36.5 -20 46 44) Mag -- SB -- Size --
22” (230, 306 and 459x) – Not detected.


Arp GC2 (19 28 44.1 -30 21 14) Mag 13 SB 14.8 Size 2.3’
22” (115 and 230x) – Faint large round glow on a rich star field. The glow appears mottled, suggesting a loose globular. About 1.5’ across.


Palomar 11 (19 45 14.4 -08 00 26) Mag 9.8 SB 14.8 Size 10
22” (230 and 306x) – considerably bright, large slightly elongated (3:2) patch. PA = 60 and about 1.6’ long. The surface appears to be partially resolved, especially at 306x.


Palomar 12 (21 46 38.8 -21 15 03) Mag 11.7 SB 14 Size 2.9
22” (230, 306 and 459x) – Considerably bright round glow. It appears mottled and several individual stars could just be detected at 459x. No central concentration detected.


Palomar 13 (23 06 44.4 +12 46 19) Mag 13.8 SB 13 Size 0.7
22” (230x 306 and 459x) - surprisingly not seen. Must try again.


Pease 1 (in M15) (21 29 59.4 +12 10 26) Mag 14.9p Size 1”
22” (638 and 820x) – Considerably faint round patch. Slightly more out of focus than the rest of the stars. Used the O-III filter to confirm the PNe.


Shakhbazian 362 (23 32 37 +19 21 34) Mag -- Size 0.9’ Number of Galaxies 5
22” (459 and 638x) – Three collinear extremely faint galaxies barely resolved forming a line from E-W. The length of the string is about 40”. The other two members, each to the SE and SW were not detected. A 10.2 and 12.5 magnitude double star lies just 1.8’ NW.

Shakhbazian 361 (23 03 16+17 39 40) Mag 15.1+ Size 2.8’’ Number of Galaxies 10
22” (459x and 638x) – A total of five galaxies were detected. Two southernmost galaxies appears to be almost merged, separated by less than 10”. The southern one, 2MASX J23031792+1740232, is a very faint, very small round patch. The northern galaxy of the pair, 2MASXi J2303182+174039, is a very faint 2:1 elongated glow. PA = 0. Moving about 1.0’ to the NW of the galaxy pair, 2MASX J23031464+1741072 (mag 15.1) is a very faint round glow. Moving 45” to the WNW lies 2MASX J23031184+1741232 (mag 17.59) as an extremely faint round glow. The northern most galaxy lying 1.7’ north of the fist discussed pair, 2MASX J23031842+1742072, appears as a very faint round glow.

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sgottlieb
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Re: OR: Rambling the Obscure Summer Globular Clust new [Re: Alvin Huey]
      #2570719 - 08/09/08 05:13 PM

Alvin, thanks for posting your recent observations -- they're excellent as usual and you provided several new targets for the end of this month!

Here's what I have on some of these objects for comparison with an 18-inch scope --

Haute-Provence 1: extremely faint, small roundish glow visible with averted vision only, 1.0'-1.5' in diameter. Situated just south of a shallow arc of three mag 13 stars. A mag 10.7 star lies 2.5' NE. The globular is set against an unresolved Milky Way background and is just brighter than the background glow. Located 49' ESE of 4.3-magnitude 45 Ophiuchi.

Palomar 7: at 220x, this globular appears as an obvious irregular glow of ~3' diameter with a mag 13.5 star at the W edge. A superimposed mag 14 star follows [by 36"] and a third mag 14.5 on a line is at the E end. A mag 15 star was also glimpsed along this string close following the mag 14 star. Appears elongated ~E-W and the irregular outline increases in size with averted vision to 4'x3'. Has an unusual mottled patchy appearance although the observed stars may be field stars.

Tontanzintla 2: located just 6.6' NW of mag 4.3 Q Scorpii, this challenging GC appeared as only a weak circular enhancement, ~1.5' diameter, in a rich Milky Way field. Best view at 220x keeping the bright star outside the field and using averted vision. A mag 14.5 star is superimposed (offset to the west side). The Milky Way is patchy in the vicinity and the glow is only marginally brighter. The center is possibly slightly brighter but no core was visible and the halo appeared to fade out.

Arp GC2: extremely faint, roundish, ~2' diameter. Appears as an extremely low surface brightness glow with a very small brighter core. At moments, a faint star or knot is visible at the center. There is a distinctive 1.5' clump of five faint stars 5.5' NNE which provides a good reference to center the globular. Located in a rich star field.

Palomar 12: this Palomar globular was easy to track down as it is situated close NNW of a distinctive trio of mag 12 stars. The southern two stars are a well-matched pair at ~15". The globular appeared an irregular 3' glow at 220x with ill-defined edges. With attention, three very faint mag 15 stars could be resolved over the faint background glow.

Pease 1 (notes from last weekend): Using 450x I "starhopped" within the halo of M15 to the exact location of Pease 1 starting with the 4 trapezium stars about 1.5' NW of center (just outside the brilliant inner part of the core). Without a filter the planetary is buried within a very small knot of stars (mottled but not resolved) at the NNE edge of the nucleus, just 25" from the center. Blinking with an OIII or UHC filter the clump dimmed significantly but often Pease 1 was visible as single faint stellar object at the NE edge of the knot of stars. Even with the filter the planetary appeared faint, though it clearly stood out.

As far as Palomar 13, I have two negative observations and one (marginal) positive observation, so I'm not convinced I've seen it until I can confirm it again.

Also, I have one positive observation of ESO 452-SC11, but now I'm a little skeptical since you missed it --

ESO 452-SC11: very small, faint glow close SE of a mag 12.5 star. It appears to contain an extremely small, 10" core (possibly this was a faint star or stars) and an ill-defined very low surface brightness halo up to 2' in diameter.

Finally, I've never run across [PWM 78] 2 before. SIMBAD calls this Pfleiderer 2 with a single 1983 reference, where it is listed as a open cluster. Do you have any other info on this object?

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Re: OR: Rambling the Obscure Summer Globular Clust new [Re: sgottlieb]
      #2578904 - 08/13/08 01:13 PM

Thanks Steve. And thanks for sharing your observations.

I'll make another go for Pal 13 and ESO 452-SC11 during the next observing period, where ever that may be.

I unfortuantely do not have any additional info on [PWM 78] 2.

Did you go for the other three PNe's in globulars, specifically the one in M-22 (don't remember name) and JaFu1 and Jafu2? I'm planning on trying the one in M-22. I'm not sure that I can be successful on the two JaFu's with a 22", but maybe with the 30".

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Re: OR: Rambling the Obscure Summer Globular Clust new [Re: Alvin Huey]
      #2579269 - 08/13/08 04:23 PM

Sounds like you had a great night!

Another globular to hunt down is the re-classified object van den Bergh-Hagen 261; or now also called AL-3. It's located at 18 14 06.13 -28 38 09.4

My notes: "Originally cataloged as an open cluster, this was re-classified as a globular in 2005. Pretty good size - between 1’ to 2’. Fairly loosely packed for a globular, but quite dense for a open cluster. No real core can be seen. Just a heavy round concentration of stars in an already very dense field of view in the Milky Way background (foreground?) The field of view is very identifiable with a brighter set of 3 stars and another 2 stars just to the south. Direct vision shows the cluster, but there is no mistaking as it jumps out with averted vision."

I can happily say that I completed my task of observing all the Milky Way globulars north of -46 declination in the beginning of July this year (except for the two 2MASS objects)! Several took multiple observations, but it was a lot of fun! And many of them I'll be revisiting again!

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Re: OR: Rambling the Obscure Summer Globular Clust new [Re: MessierScott]
      #2579483 - 08/13/08 05:46 PM

Quote:

Sounds like you had a great night!

Another globular to hunt down is the re-classified object van den Bergh-Hagen 261; or now also called AL-3. It's located at 18 14 06.13 -28 38 09.4

My notes: "Originally cataloged as an open cluster, this was re-classified as a globular in 2005. Pretty good size - between 1’ to 2’. Fairly loosely packed for a globular, but quite dense for a open cluster. No real core can be seen. Just a heavy round concentration of stars in an already very dense field of view in the Milky Way background (foreground?) The field of view is very identifiable with a brighter set of 3 stars and another 2 stars just to the south. Direct vision shows the cluster, but there is no mistaking as it jumps out with averted vision."

I can happily say that I completed my task of observing all the Milky Way globulars north of -46 declination in the beginning of July this year (except for the two 2MASS objects)! Several took multiple observations, but it was a lot of fun! And many of them I'll be revisiting again!




AL-3, wow. I believed I had observed it this last weekend with my 12.5", but wasn't sure. Now after reading this report I'm sure I did. I can't even remember why it was penciled in on my chart but noticed it as a GC and went for it. Your notation of the 3 stars then 2 stars confirms what I remember noting down.

You are quite right about how it stands out.

Man I wish I could get to dry high altittude more often. It makes observing the southern horizon so much easier.

Bill

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Re: OR: Rambling the Obscure Summer Globular Clust new [Re: Bill Weir]
      #2579634 - 08/13/08 06:59 PM

Quote:

AL-3, wow. I believed I had observed it this last weekend with my 12.5", but wasn't sure. Now after reading this report I'm sure I did. I can't even remember why it was penciled in on my chart but noticed it as a GC and went for it.




Bill, check out this thread.
I have a feeling that's why it was penciled in on your charts ;-)


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Re: OR: Rambling the Obscure Summer Globular Clust new [Re: sgottlieb]
      #2579990 - 08/13/08 10:52 PM

Quote:

Quote:

AL-3, wow. I believed I had observed it this last weekend with my 12.5", but wasn't sure. Now after reading this report I'm sure I did. I can't even remember why it was penciled in on my chart but noticed it as a GC and went for it.




Bill, check out this thread.
I have a feeling that's why it was on penciled in on your charts ;-)




Well there you go. Cool. When I started reading that thread I couldn't remember it at all.

I guess it sort of answers the minimum aperture question, at least for now. At our club's star party at the end the month, I just might need to track down a 10" and see what shows. If not then I'll just have to use one of the 10s at the school observatory.

Bill

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