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Mr Q
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Ever Been To A Professional Observatory? new
      #2566576 - 08/07/08 04:22 PM


Many Years ago, I attended a public invited astronomy club meeting at Brown University in RI. at the university's Ladd Observatory.

During the meeting, practically no visitors knew nothing about astronomy and I ended up answering a lot of questions about my observing habits, equipment, etc.
After the meeting, we were all invited to look through the observatory's 12" refractor (built in the 1890s). Being in the winter and cold, most people took a quick look and left.After the last person left, I asked the club member if I could look at something. He said yes and asked what I wanted to look at. I told him the Pleiades and he said O.K. but I would have to move the dome roof slit to view it. I was amazed at how easy the chain operated mechanism worked and then got to view Alcyone and some of the faint nebulae in the cluster. Because he was kinda in a hurry to close up the building, he invited me to return again for some more observing time, which I now regret I didn't take advantage of.
I believe my knowledge of the night sky presented to the club member was my passport to using the the awesome historical scope with its original clock works still operational.

Have any of you had a similar experience, where knowledge of the hobby got you to a professional observatory scope for actual observing? For me, it was a memory I'll never forget . For a look at the observatory and scope, visit the "Ladd Observatory" home page.

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LumpyDarkness
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Re: Ever Been To A Professional Observatory? new [Re: Mr Q]
      #2566685 - 08/07/08 05:15 PM

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Have any of you had a similar experience, where knowledge of the hobby got you to a professional observatory scope for actual observing?





You bet. I can see Lick Observatory on Mount Hamilton out of my office window. It is about an hour drive up a long and windy road, that leads to its door.

Lick has two programs, the Music of the Spheres, where world renowned performers entertain evening visitors, and the Summer Visitors Program, which I believe is more based on scientific lectures for the public.

Amateur astronomers in the area support these programs as docents. Some work inside, helping guide the guests to their seats, or later, to the 36" Alvan Clark refractor, or the Anna Nickel 40-inch Reflecting Telescope. Other docents set up their amateur telescopes outside the building for visitors to look though as well.

After the visitors leave, the docents go into the great dome of the 36" and look at a variety of targets, ranging from planets to globulars, interesting multiple stars, well, the whole gamut of targets.

It is a lot of fun, both volunteering, and being in the musty historic dome, with the great scope, and the floor that raises and lowers.

Oh, and of course, the creepiness of having James Lick lying below our feet in his tomb all the time adds just that special touch...

Here is a link to more information on the scope, the programs, and more... if you can get our here on a vacation, this is a great treat for an amateur astronomer to experience, even just as a visitor at one of the programs.

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The Astronomy Connection: Observing Reports - updated 12/1/08
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Silicon Owl
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Re: Ever Been To A Professional Observatory? new [Re: LumpyDarkness]
      #2567496 - 08/07/08 11:32 PM

My association with amateur astronomy has allowed me several occasions to visit major observatories. I was living in Tucson, the home to three major observatories with telescopes on almost every mountain around the city. Since several key members of the Tucson Amateur Astronomy Association, the local club, were also observatory staff, there were many occasions to get tours of facilities, and a couple nights on one telescope or another.

In the end this resulted in me working at a major observatory. You see, there was this job opening for an electrical engineer...

During the interview it was clear I knew which end of a telescope did what, probably a factor in my getting the job. I received a job offer, an offer I would kick myself for the rest of my life had I turned it down, I didn't.

My advice, seize any opportunity life offers to visit and see special places. Be it observatories, ancient ruins, or museums. If the opportunities don't come your way, seek them out. Seeing these places in person is far more valuable that just seeing them on television, they become real, what they mean becomes real.

Andrew

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Re: Ever Been To A Professional Observatory? new [Re: Mr Q]
      #2567744 - 08/08/08 03:59 AM

By prior invitation in 1980 I visited several US observatories including Kitt Peak [inside MCMath and the major domes - wow], Mt Hopkins, Lowell and Lick during a family vacation but only Lowell at night and tagged onto a party of radio amateurs [HAMS]. We had a look at a few objects through a 1m RC including Neptune and M57 [central star bright with wisps 'flowing' off it!] and when the night assistant asked "anything you'd like to see" one HAM said "seen one star you've seen them all!" to riotous laughter [Isn't it amazing I can still hear those words 28 yrs later as if it were today!] Luckily he was ignored

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F.Meiresonne
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Re: Ever Been To A Professional Observatory? new [Re: nytecam]
      #2568571 - 08/08/08 01:56 PM

OHP : Observatoire du Haut Provence

Observatory of the Provence in France. The have a 193 cm as their main instrument. Big scope.

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Re: Ever Been To A Professional Observatory? new [Re: Mr Q]
      #2569254 - 08/08/08 07:54 PM

Let see, I have been to Kitt Peak, McDonald, and Mt. Bigelow, Mt. Lemmon.

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Re: Ever Been To A Professional Observatory? new [Re: LumpyDarkness]
      #2569543 - 08/08/08 10:50 PM

"Oh, and of course, the creepiness of having James Lick lying below our feet in his tomb all the time adds just that special touch..."


Oh please say more about that, that sounds a "total" experience, what with the observing and in the "presence" of a great astronomer too!

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LumpyDarkness
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Re: Ever Been To A Professional Observatory? new [Re: AstroEd]
      #2570269 - 08/09/08 11:58 AM

Quote:

"Oh, and of course, the creepiness of having James Lick lying below our feet in his tomb all the time adds just that special touch..."


Oh please say more about that, that sounds a "total" experience, what with the observing and in the "presence" of a great astronomer too!





It is a great experience, even after participating in the program multiple times.

The old dome just reeks of authenticity. The history is palpable in there. You can almost feel the presence of E.E. Barnard and others like Keeler. The inlaid hardwood floor that moves up and down as an elevator (following the height of the eyepiece on the big refractor) is, magnificent. Up there, in the darkened dome, is an almost unearthly experience. And yes, James Lick is in a tomb, under that moving hardwood floor, at the base of the big mount the telescope is on. When you leave the dome, one must descend a stairway that spirals down around the inside of the dome, into the "underworld" so to speak - under the floor. Down there is the base of the scope's mounting, and in front of that, Lick's tomb. It is an austere area, almost unfinished in feel... appropriate, as the observatory itself was unfinished at the time of Lick's death.

If you're really curious, and enjoy reading a really good book about the observatory (it is truly fascinating), find Osterbrock's "Eye on the Sky: Lick Observatory's First Century" - or here's a web-page that gives a nice overview:

http://www.ucolick.org/public/telescopes/36-inch.html

BTW... being in the dome of the 120" Shane Reflector does not have any of the "feel" of the 36" dome. It is austere, almost clinical in comparison, even as it is an awesome sight for an amateur astronomer.

Clear skies,

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Mark Wagner

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The Astronomy Connection: Observing Reports - updated 12/1/08
Adventures In Deep Space: updated 12/1/08
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Re: Ever Been To A Professional Observatory? new [Re: Mr Q]
      #2570404 - 08/09/08 01:41 PM

I had a similar experience about 15 years ago at the University of Wisconsin's Washburn Observatory. Built in 1881, Washburn features a 15.6 inch Clark refractor, which was the third-largest refractor in the world when it saw first light. More recently, the venerable refractor has been used for public outreach.

On one such night, I was among a small group still in the dome as the evening's session was winding down. Somebody asked the graduate student at the eyepiece about the Sun's ultimate fate and, in response, the grad student talked about M57, the Ring nebula, as a celestial object that forecasts the Sun's future. The natural follow-up was, "Can we see, M57?" and the grad student said he didn't know if it was up. Without missing a beat, I commented that it was well-placed for observing this time of year. The grad student asked me if I could find it and I said, "Sure." So, he unlocked the axes and let me have at it with the old refractor. It took me awhile to get used to the narrow field of view of the finder and the mirrored presentation at the eyepiece, but I eventually found M57.

That was my first time in the driver's seat of a Clark refractor. Several years later, my wife and I moved from Madison to Flagstaff and I soon accepted a position at Lowell Observatory on the Public Program staff. During the day, I gave tours and astronomically-themed presentations. At night, the focus was observing. One of the true joys of working at Lowell was driving the historic 24 inch Clark refractor on public observing nights. And one of the perks--the best perk--was the privilege of using the Clark, after hours. I spent many a late night exploring the night sky with that scope, and was rewarded with my best lifetime views of Jupiter, Saturn and Mars.

After two years in Public Programs, I took a position as a telescope operator for Lowell astronomer, Ted Bowell. Bowell's project was surveying the night sky for asteroids and comets in near-Earth orbits. The Lowell Observatory Near-Earth Object Search (LONEOS) occupied many a clear night over the next two years. I operated a 24 inch (0.6 meter) Schmidt Camera. The routine consisted of opening the dome and powering up the computers at the beginning of the night. Then, I'd take some flat fields, check the pointing accuracy and focus of the scope. When it was dark enough to observe, I'd create the first macro of the night. Basically, the macro would run the instrument through sequences of fields, imaging each field in the group, and repeating the sequence two more times until there were three images of each field.

After the third time through the sequence, software would analyze the images and present a list of "moving objects." Anything tagged as a main belt asteroid was basically ignored. Objects having motion hinting at being in near-Earth orbits were followed-up on, manually. Follow-up consisted of visually checking the images to confirm that the "object" was a real asteroid or comet. There were many false positives; bad pixel columns and bright knots in diffraction spikes, mostly. Among the tens of thousands of actual asteroids I observed during my tenure, the vast majority were known asteroids; many having been bagged by the LINEAR team to the east in New Mexico. But I did have the pleasure and privilege of discovery about a dozen NEO's and five comets. My best night was one during which I discovered a comet and got to follow that up by meeting (then) First Lady, Hillary Clinton, who just happened to be visiting Lowell the following day.

Living in Arizona, there are a number of professional observatories within a day's drive. I've visited several, including Lowell, U.S. Naval Observatory (Flagstaff Station), Kitt Peak National Observatory, MMT Observatory, Very Large Array and Palomar. For the astronomy buff, a driving tour of observatories in the Southwest U.S. can make for a great vacation.

Bill in Flag

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LumpyDarkness
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Re: Ever Been To A Professional Observatory? [Re: BillFerris]
      #2570665 - 08/09/08 04:35 PM

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Living in Arizona, there are a number of professional observatories within a day's drive. I've visited several, including Lowell, U.S. Naval Observatory (Flagstaff Station), Kitt Peak National Observatory, MMT Observatory, Very Large Array and Palomar. For the astronomy buff, a driving tour of observatories in the Southwest U.S. can make for a great vacation.





Great story Bill! Lucky you, an amateur's dream come true. There are opportunities at Lick as well. We've had local amateurs take jobs in places as far afield as the Gemini in Chile.

My daughter actually has a tie to one of the observatories in your neighborhood - a piece of the borosilicate glass used to make the mirrors - some scrap - for the LBT. Sent to her by a professional astronomer on the project named... Mark Wagner!

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The Astronomy Connection: Observing Reports - updated 12/1/08
Adventures In Deep Space: updated 12/1/08
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