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Just got my TMB 92ss. I am considering the TV 3 - 6mm zoom, as well as the Bader 8 - 24mm zoom. This will take me from 20x to 170x. Both have got great reviews.
Any feedback on these zooms with the TMB 92ss? Any other recommends? Its a fast refractor, but I assume the zooms can easily handle this f ratio?
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CESDewar
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Loc: Morganton, GA, USA
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I use both a Hyperion 8-24 zoom and a Nagler 2-4mm zoom with my TMB92SS and they both work extremely well. The optics are so good on the TMB92SS, that I frequently use the 2mm/2.5mm settings on the 2-4mm Zoom. But the 3-6 would make more sense if you have nothing between 4 and 8, as it also Barlows well. 3mm provides 170x, but this scope easily takes more power to good use on doubles, and lunar/planetary under good seeing, etc.
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sage
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Thanks for the response...how far have you pushed the 92ss?
500/2= 250x ? 69x apt. inch? I would think diffraction would really destroy the view?
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CESDewar
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Much depends on the quality of seeing of course. I had my TMB92SS out tonight looking at Jupiter at 120x in binoviewers and there was little point cranking it up much beyond that point (I did try some 220x in binoviewers, but there was just far too much turbulence). However, with slightly better seeing a few nights earlier, Epsilon Lyrae was a fine sight at 200x with good round points. There was no sense of image breakdown (there is a point at which the loss of contrast/dimness of image causes the image to degrade, but it wasn't there at 200x on bright objects like the Moon and Jupiter). I can tell from this than under excellent seeing, 250x would not be wasted on this scope.
Excellent seeing is rare here in the mountains, but last year I had my TV60mm scope at 180x (2mm setting on zoom - 76x/in.) and I was constantly checking to see if I had it at the maximum power. This was a night where the central craterlet in Plato was detectable in that scope (took a photograph too as I didn't think anyone would believe it!) - and, thanks of course to the rather bright ejecta blanket which surrounds it - but still a sight I've never come close to matching since.
Really fine refractors can take surprisingly high powers without image breakdown. Sure, there is really no more detail that you can pick up above some much lower figure, but that detail can often be easier to see at higher magnifications as long as the image is bright enough.
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CES, thanks for the input.....
Astronomics informed me before purchase that the 92ss will NOT work with a BV'er. How are you making this work? What BV'er? Are you using an OCA? This is great news!
Agreed on your point of max. magnification.... diffraction sets the max. amount of detail possible....but with small retractors sometimes added magnification improves the view of small objects, even if the details degrade slightly. My first night with the 92ss was poor, Jupiter at 80x was fuzzy.... not a good start.... but we try again.
Impressive stories about how critical the seeing conditions are.... something us occasional visual observes often do not pay enough attention to....
Since I ordered the 3 - 6 zoom, I now feel cheated at only 170x power.... what do you recommend for a lower fl EP, 2.0 / 2.5?
You seem to be very experienced observer.... how do you rank the 92ss with other scopes you have used?
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CESDewar
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Astronomics informed me before purchase that the 92ss will NOT work with a BV'er.
That seems surprising they would make that comment. I actually have three BV's and all work. I don't have the official "visual extension" for the TMB92SS that was back-ordered, but which supposedly has now shipped to everyone. I just picked up a 2" extension from Scope-Stuff and have been using that for the past several weeks (actually a perfectly serviceable solution).
My Burgess C BV is a bit battle-scarred, but works fine with the standard OCA that Burgess provides. The StellarVue BV3 works fine with the 1.95 OCA screwed into the BV. The Denk II's have a power Switch and require a very wide range of focus. It works at all three magnifications, but I haven't found the magic formula that would get all three to work without any adjusting. With the low range OCA screwed into the BV (rather than the diagonal), it works fine in Barlow mode, but requires me to remove the extension or switch to the higher-powered OCA to get it to work in normal and reduction mode.
But certainly binoviewing works fine on that scope - and one would expect it to as well since without the visual extension, it provides a huge amount of in-focus (in fact that is one of the reasons I purchased this scope).
My first night with the 92ss was poor, Jupiter at 80x was fuzzy.... not a good start.... but we try again.
Certainly wait for good seeing - Jupiter was pretty good tonight even under slightly below average viewing. In addition to the SEB and NEB, both the NTB and NNTB were readily visible and as the GRS swung into view around 12:30am, that was also clearly seen (and it's not that easy to see in a small scope). Gannymede was transitting, and I was quite surprised to see it as a crisp tiny dot sliding across the NTB.
Since I ordered the 3 - 6 zoom, I now feel cheated at only 170x power.... what do you recommend for a lower fl EP, 2.0 / 2.5?
I have the Nagler 2.5T6 which works extremely well. There are no fixed length 2.0mm EP's that I'm aware of in regular production. At a lower price-point is the TMB/Burgess 2.5mm EP which I had at one time - it's an extremely good value, and while it won't match the Nagler, it comes very reasonably close in the central area. Another serious possibility would be a high quality 2x Barlow like the TV Barlow. The 3-6 zoom barlows well, and at 1.5-3mm effective - you would certainly have all based covered!
You seem to be very experienced observer.... how do you rank the 92ss with other scopes you have used?
One of the finest scopes I've ever used. The larger FT focusser is a pleasure to use. I think it may well push the TMB105/650 out of my collection as being a bit redundant and that's saying a lot as that scope has a Strehl of 0.988 and gives my NP-127 a run for its money. But the smaller size of the 92 and the fact that this will also be a great photographic scope will likely win out. It is also my Grab&Go as it can be out on the deck in seconds. I have it on Lapides-modified Teegul mount on a Gitzo 5530S tripod - a rather expensive set up to be sure, but one that this scope well deserves. The sub-1-second settling after even a sharp rap and the fact that one can hold onto the focusser at 200x without the image jumping around is a huge plus for convenience.
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Thank you CES for some great input....
Very interesting on the BV'ers.... sheeesh... it's easy to get some bad information...... I will retrieve my TV and SV BV'er and report back...the TV does not have an OCA, so that might not work. The SV has a 1.3x OCA.
Question: In your opinion, since I want to go lower than the 3mm on the zoom.... would the TV powermate 2" 2x be the best solution for gaining added magnification AND ease of BV'er use?.....i.e. I will not have to remove the added spacer which my scope came with??
At 2x, I would suspect the BV'er should perform flawlessly, then I don't have to remove / re insert the spacer? I think when Astronomics tested the 92ss with BV'er, they were not using an OCA....and with a scope this fast, I would think OCA is mandatory. I can live with 2x OCA for my needs. Please do comment on this, I hate making bad purchases. :-(
> I think it may well push the TMB105/650 out of my collection as being a bit redundant and that's saying a lot as that scope has a Strehl of 0.988 and gives my NP-127 a run for its money.
That is a very impressive comment.... Thomas would have been proud to hear comments like this.... I am enthused also, but haven't ran it yet to really get pumped....
BTW, I fully agree with your Grab n Go comments. I too have the Gitzo tripod, not the 5530, but I think 4530, which supports a 26 lb load, not as much as yours, but its much taller.... I like to observe standing and am tall... I just ordered the Half Hitch Mark II w/ Sky commander to go with the 92ss, as IMO, this will be the ultimate G&G scope, and with the Gitzo / HH, I think the total weight will be around 20 lbs. I am hoping the Gitzo works out, because I really enjoy folding the legs in, just enough to clear safely through doors, and for fast set up...... without dis assembling the tray on wooden pods.....call me lazy... lazy and G&G go together well... :-)
Also, what has been your experience with cool down times? Right now I am bringing the 92ss from 70 deg F, to 95 deg F at night.... I would think 30 minutes would suffice...but being a triplet, maybe more? Sometimes I have a hard time determingin if bad views is a result of poor seeing vs. not sufficient cool down time. Is it possible to distinguish the two? Thanks again CES....
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OH, I forgot
What camera do you plan to use on the 92ss? I would like to use it for nature photography, and it seems the Pentax 67II would be the best fit for MF film? It's SLR, but its heavy too. I guess it comes down what adapters are made by FT? Or do others make camera adatpers for the FT? I wrote FT, but no responses yet.... Of course I will get a Canon mount also, for the convenience of digital...
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