danm
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Ethos 13 mm, Ethos 8 mm, 26 Nagler and 2X big barlow for the following situation?
- My main scope, 12.5" f/4.1 dob. I'll get 162X, 100X and 50X
- Secondary 8" f/6 Newt. Virtually same results, 158X, 97X and 49X (the focal lengths are about the same on the two)
- Some future bigger scope, either a big dob or a 16" imaging RC that I'll use visually sometimes.
(The Nagler is 2" whilst the newt is a 1.25", so for that I would use a much cheaper 25 mm widefield - maybe the AT Titan)
Instead of fiddling around and working my way up, I might rather plunk down the money and be done with it. Will I ever want to look another eyepiece in the eye again?
-------------------- TV Ethos 13mm
Oberwerk Ultra 15x70
Celestron C6 f/10 & AT Voyager Alt/Az mount
8" f/6.3 Newtonian (Dad's ATM) & AT66 red tube
12.5" f/4.1 Telekit (Dad's ATM Mirror)
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DeepSpaceTour
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Sounds good,I have the same eyepiece set up just add the 31T-5 and the Antares 2" 1.6X barlow. On your Newt with the 1.25 focuser,maybe install a 2" focuser. Clear skies.
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Bill
-17.5"F/5 Discovery TD /Dob driver/ArgoNavis
Kendrick dew control/Obsession Alt bearings
-Antares 152-F/6.5 refractor on HEQ-5 Pro
-25x100 Binos
-15x70 Binos
-Collimating tools "LOTS"
- TV ep's *8-Ethos*13-Ethos*31T-5*
- 2" Barlows
- Pelican1600
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danm
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With the newt I'd have to change out the secondary, spider, drill a new hole ... I like how it is. It's the scope (fixed up) that I used as a kid, there's nostalgia too.
Why the 31T-5 with the 26T-5? I saw some discussion here recently on this topic but I don't understand it. I'm not overly picky, seems like the 26 would be enough.
-------------------- TV Ethos 13mm
Oberwerk Ultra 15x70
Celestron C6 f/10 & AT Voyager Alt/Az mount
8" f/6.3 Newtonian (Dad's ATM) & AT66 red tube
12.5" f/4.1 Telekit (Dad's ATM Mirror)
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markleewebb
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That's a dream team for someone with unlimited funds. For a lot less money (like 25%) you can get similar performace from something like Baader Hyperions. I'd rather have the Baaders in my case and the extra cash in my primary mirror
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danm
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Mark, I can afford it - but sure, saving money is a great thing. I almost posted the alternative though, which is to simply purchase the same set in Astro-Tech Titans at a fraction of the cost, which I've heard are similar to the Hyperions. Thoughts as to the difference in performance?
-------------------- TV Ethos 13mm
Oberwerk Ultra 15x70
Celestron C6 f/10 & AT Voyager Alt/Az mount
8" f/6.3 Newtonian (Dad's ATM) & AT66 red tube
12.5" f/4.1 Telekit (Dad's ATM Mirror)
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DeepSpaceTour
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One tour through the Milky Way, with the 31T-5, and my 6" short tube refractor, would answer that question in a hurry,as well,in my 17.5" reflector the 31T-5 gives the widest FOV which is fantastic on large extended objects,the 26 is better on framing some others,depends on what you are observing and how you want to frame the object.I am glad I have both .
Clear skies.
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Bill
-17.5"F/5 Discovery TD /Dob driver/ArgoNavis
Kendrick dew control/Obsession Alt bearings
-Antares 152-F/6.5 refractor on HEQ-5 Pro
-25x100 Binos
-15x70 Binos
-Collimating tools "LOTS"
- TV ep's *8-Ethos*13-Ethos*31T-5*
- 2" Barlows
- Pelican1600
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Phil Frederick
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Will I ever want to look another eyepiece in the eye again?
Sounds like a great EP combo to me!
That said however, IMO the innate curiousity that most of us astro folks have will always lead to wanting to look through/at something else no matter what equipment we currently have! My bet is that you will want to look at maybe one more EP, or maybe two, or maybe..... Ain't it wonderful!!!
-------------------- Phil
Intes M603 6" Mak
Intes M500 5" Mak
Astro-Tech 80LE CF
Orion 127 Mak
Orion ST120 f/5
Orion ST80 f/5
SV F50 Sparrowhawk
SV F60 Biggerhawk
Tak Teeguls, SV Stableock, Bogen475s, Oberwerk Jarrah, and a rebuilt Astroview tripod with Walnut/Oak legs.
...Naglers, Radians, LVWs, BO/TMBs, Stratus', 32 & 38 SWA's
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kaaikop
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That said however, IMO the innate curiousity that most of us astro folks have will always lead to wanting to look through/at something else no matter what equipment we currently have! My bet is that you will want to look at maybe one more EP, or maybe two, or maybe..... Ain't it wonderful!!!
Ah! that's what it is, then. Well said, isnt that true! and I tought I had a problem...
C
-------------------- Benoit, RASC Montreal
-C 9.25XLT on EQ6 Pro / ED80SF on Portamount
-Plossls, Radians, Naglers, LVW's & Orthos.
-a pair of 7x50's
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maureenford
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There will always be "another eyepiece." Does any one really thinks Uncle Al is done with the Ethos line?" Not me. Maureen
-------------------- Discovery 12.5" TD on Scopebuggy
with Argo Navis and Feathertouch focuser
27mmPan, 13mm & 8mmEthos, 6mm Radian
Howie Glatter laser and Blug
Coronado PST
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DeepSpaceTour
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So, for the Ethos owner, it's not another eyepiece that will spark our curiosity to look through something else,but another ETHOS F/L,that is the only thing to quench the optical thirst,once you have been smitten.
Clear skies.
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Bill
-17.5"F/5 Discovery TD /Dob driver/ArgoNavis
Kendrick dew control/Obsession Alt bearings
-Antares 152-F/6.5 refractor on HEQ-5 Pro
-25x100 Binos
-15x70 Binos
-Collimating tools "LOTS"
- TV ep's *8-Ethos*13-Ethos*31T-5*
- 2" Barlows
- Pelican1600
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danm
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OK so what's your dream team, real or not?
-------------------- TV Ethos 13mm
Oberwerk Ultra 15x70
Celestron C6 f/10 & AT Voyager Alt/Az mount
8" f/6.3 Newtonian (Dad's ATM) & AT66 red tube
12.5" f/4.1 Telekit (Dad's ATM Mirror)
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KWB
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For someone who was asking about a lot lesser eyepieces in another thread in this very same forum 2 nights ago,I'd say your ambitions have come up a notch or three!
Your selection of the 3 eyepieces does sound quite excellent,for someone that doesn't have to deal with astigmatism and eyeglasses,that is. If money was no object,reality wouldn't allow me to make those same 3 selections. I would choose the 8 mm Ethos in a heartbeat,though.
-------------------- Kenny
"When dealing with a mystery,choose the most unlikely of the likely possibilities"-Sherlock Holmes
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Zoomit
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Ethos 13 mm, Ethos 8 mm, 26 Nagler and 2X big barlow for the following situation?
The 2x Big Barlow would only make sense in the 8E, making it 4mm, which is pretty short. I think a barlow less than 2x would be better. I have the Antares 1.6 2" barlow, but for a dream team, I would go for the Astro-Physics BARCON at 1.7x
or wait on a 5mm Ethos!
-------------------- Brandon
AstroSystems TeleKit 18" f/4.6; Orion XT8 7.4" f/6.4
TeleVue 26Nt5, 13E, 3-6NZ; Antares 2" 1.6x
Astro-Physics 15x70; Nikon Action EX 12x50
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SkyscraperJim
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Ethos 13 mm, Ethos 8 mm, 26 Nagler and 2X big barlow for the following situation?
That's an excellent set. I would substitute the Big Barlow for the 2x Powermate.
-------------------- Jim
TMB/APM 130/780 (#185) on G11
Televue Pronto (#3533) on Half Hitch
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George Methvin
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That is a very nice set of eyepeices anyones dream team set. How funny if I have learned anything reading these post over the last couple of years is that no one is every happy for very long with what then have in this hobbie. Todays OH look at my new toy I will never need or want anything else as long as I live. 6 months later those same toys are up for sell because a newer toys has come along now its someone elses dream team. I see it every day the same people buying and raving over how great there toy is and then its on the market to be sold. Its a sickness it has to be or some folks have more money then sence. Now while we are wishing and sence I have a humble income and very little sence I would like every new TV eyepeice made. In the real world my dream team would be a set of BO/TMB planetery eyepeices have two already the 4mm and the 6mm they are very good eyepeice and easy on the wallet . I already have a few Owl wide angle eyepeices so I am fairly happy. They say igorance is blist so I guess I am blist and igorance..... Who knows some day your dream team eyepeices may be my dream team eyepeices..it could happen
Edited by George Methvin (08/11/08 02:24 PM)
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Alvin Huey
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Sounds good,I have the same eyepiece set up just add the 31T-5 and the Antares 2" 1.6X barlow. On your Newt with the 1.25 focuser,maybe install a 2" focuser.
Clear skies.
Noting Dan's main scope, which is a f/4.1 scope. The 31T5 Nagler would generate too large of an exit pupil.
That's an excellent set. And hearing that from a narrow field guy means something.
I second Jim's post recomending the Powermate versus the Big Barlow.
-------------------- Clear Skies,
Alvin #26
22" f/4.1 reflector, Takahashi TOA-130S on AP1200GTO (just sold), 30" f/4.3 StarMaster and Antares 6" f/6.5 on Orion SVP
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danm
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Hoy! Thanks Alvin - I'll check those specs.
Kenny - yea, well the 8" and 6" are play scopes, I didn't mean them for 'serious' work, so some cheap EP's are fine with me. But then I realized that for simplicity I really could do just fine with one set for all three scopes probably, so maybe just get the goodies. I inherited two scopes, so with so many running around I'd like to keep things clean and simple.
OK so the 1.6X Barlow would be better. But since the 31T5 has too large an exit pupil, any other suggestions?
-------------------- TV Ethos 13mm
Oberwerk Ultra 15x70
Celestron C6 f/10 & AT Voyager Alt/Az mount
8" f/6.3 Newtonian (Dad's ATM) & AT66 red tube
12.5" f/4.1 Telekit (Dad's ATM Mirror)
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Paul G
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I would go for the Astro-Physics BARCON at 1.7x
Me, too.
-------------------- Gus
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FirstSight
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OK so the 1.6X Barlow would be better. But since the 31T5 has too large an exit pupil, any other suggestions?
The 26T5 is a great alternative to the 31T5. I have them both, and used both last night from my suburban Raleigh observing spot in my driveway.
1) The ONLY practical issue the "too-large" exit pupil of the 31T5 creates is that if you often observe from light-pollution affected suburban skies, the sky background can seem only slightly darker than naked-eye, reducing contrast. That's it, period. Nevertheless, because the primary purpose of the 31T5 in your collection is to serve as a low-power widefield eyepiece, the issue that a too-large exit pupil supposedly "wastes" some light and aperture is completely irrelevant in practice. Also, 31mm is a short-enough focal length that it does not cause secondary shadowing or other vignetting in the overwhelming majority of scopes (among the reasons Nagler probably chose that for the uber-Terminagler's focal length). The weight issue (2.2lbs) of the 31T5 can, however pose significant balancing issues in many scopes, unless you have means to counterbalance it (sliding the dovetail forward in the mount, easily mountable/removable counterweights toward the bottom of a dob, etc).
2) The 26T5 DOES provide a noticeably darker, more contrasty background under suburban light-polluted skies, and provides an impressively immersive "spacewalk" widefield view that only suffers in comparison if you've freshly swapped out a 31T5 from the focuser under dark skies. Let's put it this way - after I got a 31T5, I saw NO reason whatever to get rid of my 26T5, which has repeatedly proven worth its keep. Don't get me wrong - in situations that allow the 31T5 to strut its stuff, I'll usually choose to bring out the 31 (most amazing widefield on the planet IMHO), but the 26 is also superb, and will keep you quite happy with fewer situations where there are useage issues.
As to the Powermate issue, I'm getting along just great with a 2x Powermate coupled with my 13E and 8E with my 12" f/4.9 dob and 90mm APO refractors; the impact of the Powermate is virtually seamless and invisible with both eyepieces - you get literal division of the focal-length in half to 6.5 and 4mm with no impact on eye relief, field of view (vignetting) visible dimunition of light (from other than shortening focal length) etc. MAGNIFICENT views of Jupiter with the powermate + either 13 or 8 Ethos. though 4mm is short enough that in my dob, I'm bumping up against seeing limits many nights, but still a worthwhile view.
Also, you won't miss all that much not having any focal lengths between 31 or 26mm and the 13Ethos. I've kept my 17T4 Nagler, but I wouldn't have purchased it had I obtained the 13E first.
-------------------- Chris M., aka "First Sight"
Orion XT12i Dob with Moonlite CR-2 focuser
WO Megrez 90 refractor on UniStar Light mount
Nikon 10x50 Binoculars
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Downward Bound
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I might be tempted to skip the barlow and powermate in favor of some nice planetaries EPs in the 3-6mm range (like those Tak LE's and TMB SMC's that Alvin is so very fond of).
-------------------- Bill
'flector: Vixen R200SS, Webster 22" f/3.6 (on order)
'fractors: TV-85, NP-127, PST-2X
Orion 15x63, Minox 10x52 HG, GO 22x85 HD
Sphinx, Telepod, EZ Touch, G-11 (waiting)
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