Starman1
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OK, I meant bound cover, not a paper jacket or sleeve. If you open the book, inside the back bound cover of the book you will find acetate sleeves actually inserted into the binding of the book. The slit faces the signature binding. It is in this pocket you will find the overlays.
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Don Pensack
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mikiek
scholastic sledgehammer
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BINGO! Man, I must have looked right at it several times and missed it. It's kind of odd that they would put it in volume 2. If you just buy V1 (which I would assume is the biggest seller) you don't get one.
This will be a great help. Particularly the Telrad circles. I've been having a tough time adjusting to the scale of the charts as compared to SA2K. The overlay should help me out.
Thanks for the help! I was just about to look up the number for Willmann-Bell.
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Starman1
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Actually, in the summer, I use volume 2 more than volume 1.
Think about it: Scorpius/Sagittarius/Scutum/So.Ophiuchus/Corona Australis/Capricornus. All volume 2 constellations.
anything south of -6 degrees.
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Don Pensack
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Rick Woods
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I still feel the north half / south half layout is a real design flaw of the U2K. The MSA got it right with gores of sky, everything from north to south between two points of RA. If U2K had of just done 0h-12h in one volume and 12h-24h in the other, I think it would be much more user-friendly. The PSA sort of uses this layout, too.
(Yeah, and if I'm so smart, where's my freakin' star atlas??)
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mikiek
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I hear ya - but I think IF (keyword) they want to divide by DEC or RA you have to split it somewhere which in many cases would mean you still have to haul 2 volumes around.
I'd love to see a field version constructed like SA2K - laminated and spiral bound. I wouldn't care if it took 10 volumes to manage that.
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May there always be starlight on the path - R.Burnham
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Celestron CPC 1100
Radian 3mm, 5mm, 8mm, 12mm
Panoptic 22mm, 27mm, 35mm(the brick), 41mm (the cinder block)
Nagler 3-6 zoom, T4 17mm
Ethos 13mm
Everbrite Diagonal 2", Powermate 2X
FeatherTouch Crayford, Microfocuser
Telrad Finder, SV 9x50 RACI
Kendrick Dew System
TV NP-101(riding the CPC)
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bicparker
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It is sort of 6 of one, half a dozen of the other and they both carry some advantages.
I guess I have sort of become used to the U2K layout and it is normal for me to think in terms of stuff being either north or south without respect to the season. Since I tend to observe dusk to dawn and go through several hours of RA, consequently, the North-South tends to suit my observing habits just fine.
I realized my preferences in this vein (the U2K organization) because I recently started using the PSA for some public stargazes and found myself futzing through its organization (btw, I do like that atlas), which as Rick pointed out, goes along a north to south RA progression. It ends up being just a matter of personal preferences, I suppose.
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Rick Woods
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True. I like to think I can muster the brain cells necessary to deal with either method if I have to.
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- Rick
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bicparker
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it is like reversing the sky patterns at the eyepiece of your scope.
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10" f/10 SCT
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Starman1
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The only truly obnoxious arrangement of charts is the 3 volumes of the Night Sky Observer's Guide. I always observe all night long. Who can remember which ia a "summer" constellation and which is a 'winter"? I seem to ALWAYS have to pick up both volumes to find a particular constellation. They should have arranged the volumes by Alpha-sorted constellations. It would have been 10 times easier to find a constellation in the A-M volume or N-Z volume.
I defy you to find Pisces or Pegasus in either volume on the first try.
From that standpoint, U2000 is easy, and so is the SA2000.
And the 2nd edition of U2000 is a lot easier than the first.
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Don Pensack
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Tom Polakis
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The only truly obnoxious arrangement of charts is the 3 volumes of the Night Sky Observer's Guide. I always observe all night long. Who can remember which ia a "summer" constellation and which is a 'winter"?
...I defy you to find Pisces or Pegasus in either volume on the first try.
Don,
That was the very first thing I noticed when NSOG arrived at my door. Apparently the thinking was that the books were too bulky, and observers would appreciate only having to bring one out into the field. I always have both in my box, regardless of the season.
If I were the author, I would have insisted on having the publisher print a list of the constellations that are included right on the cover of each volume.
Tom
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mikiek
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Definately just what you're used to. My first(s) were SA2K and NSOG. I'm used to those so U2K is really making me adjust.
I wish the publishers/authors would stop trying to make things convenient for me. Seems like they rarely get it right. I now carry at least 9 books with me wherever I go so what's one more  I ended up having to buy a rolling duffle bag to haul all my literature. Sometimes it's a pain but then there's that one night when I really need it.
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May there always be starlight on the path - R.Burnham
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Celestron CPC 1100
Radian 3mm, 5mm, 8mm, 12mm
Panoptic 22mm, 27mm, 35mm(the brick), 41mm (the cinder block)
Nagler 3-6 zoom, T4 17mm
Ethos 13mm
Everbrite Diagonal 2", Powermate 2X
FeatherTouch Crayford, Microfocuser
Telrad Finder, SV 9x50 RACI
Kendrick Dew System
TV NP-101(riding the CPC)
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bicparker
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I can empathize.
Kanga (my SUV.. my wife's is Roo) is part bookmobile, part telescope transport. I keep thinking I will leave a few books behind to go "light" and then I realize that's not going to happen! Especially if it is going to be a full weekend or a star party.
So, my basic field library includes:
U2K 2nd Edition vol. 1, 2, & 3
NSOG vol. 1, 2, & 3 (yes, I just got the new one!)
Arp Atlas of Peculiar Galaxies (Kanipe and Webb)
Star Clusters
PSA (for a quick reference)
Astronomical Sketching (not sure why, but I always keep that handy)
I don't bring a computer out these days, so even though they weigh a bit, they don't require a battery, there is no blue screen of death, and I don't have to wait for them to boot up (though I do have to wait for me to boot up on occasions).
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Bic Parker
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10" f/10 SCT
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Rick Woods
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The only truly obnoxious arrangement of charts is the 3 volumes of the Night Sky Observer's Guide. I always observe all night long. Who can remember which ia a "summer" constellation and which is a 'winter"? I seem to ALWAYS have to pick up both volumes to find a particular constellation. They should have arranged the volumes by Alpha-sorted constellations. It would have been 10 times easier to find a constellation in the A-M volume or N-Z volume.
I defy you to find Pisces or Pegasus in either volume on the first try.
From that standpoint, U2000 is easy, and so is the SA2000.
And the 2nd edition of U2000 is a lot easier than the first.
If you have a handle on the current sideral time, the NSOG considers "Autumn/Winter" to be 22h through 10h of RA. "Spring/Summer" is 10h through 22h. You can verify that from the table of contents.
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Starman1
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Yes, if you have a handle on the current sidereal time.
I tend to think in NGC or objects-per-constellation, not in sidereal time.
But, I could take a clock out and set it to the current sidereal time--after eight hours of night, it would only be off by a minute or two, accurate enough to tell the sidereal time and which volume was appropriate.
But I like the idea of having a list of which constellation is within each book on the cover of each volume. I may write the names of the constellations within on the covers with a waterproof Sharpie pen. That would still be easier than remembering which book a constellation was in when the time was nearing the transition between volumes.
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Don Pensack
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Rick Woods
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Slight digression: Speaking of sideral time, does anyone know of an inexpensive siderial clock? I'd love to have one, but the only one I've seen comes from Australia and is expensive.
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- Rick
14" LX200GPS
8" Meade 826C
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llanitedave
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Here's the link
Looks available.
When I asked earlier, for some reason I couldn't get onto Willman-Bell's shopping cart page, no matter what browser I used. Then, just a couple of days ago, I tried again, and I got right in.
They're on order now!
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Starman1
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Slight digression: Speaking of sideral time, does anyone know of an inexpensive siderial clock? I'd love to have one, but the only one I've seen comes from Australia and is expensive.
Sidereal clock?
Make your own:
http://www.hanssummers.com/electronics/clocks/sidereal/index.htm
Or:
Use an on-line free clock and set your watch. It would only be off a couple minutes after a whole night.
Or:
Point your computerized scope at the zenith and read the RA. That's your local sideral time. Apply the offset every time you look at your watch, or reset your watch to that time.
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Don Pensack
12.5" Truss Dob, 5" Maksutov
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Edited by Starman1 (08/10/08 07:04 PM)
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