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azkaban
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Recently i spotted in reviews that the Celestron C6 SGT image was improved by changing the 1.25" back to a 2" one. can anyone tell me where i can you purchse the 2" back that fits, i cant find it in celestron website.
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RAKing
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Televue, Astro-Physics, Orion, William Optics, and and lots of other vendors sell 2 inch adapters (aka "visual backs") for the SCT. These will all fit your C6 and allow you to install a 2" refractor-style diagonal. Here is a link to the Televue model. It will give you an idea of the price and what you should be looking for:
http://www.astronomics.com/main/product.asp/catalog_name/Astronomics/category_name/FMQNRTR9001K8HFE68PKXTPEC0/product_id/7785C
Please remember the field stop of the C6 is less than the usual SCT, so you will be limited to less than a degree (0.99) FOV no matter what diagonal and eyepieces you use.
Take care,
Ron
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doug76
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He's right, you really gain nothing, except some extra focal length.
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azkaban
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Thanks for the replys, i will take your advice and let things stay the way they are
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doug76
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Well, don't be to hasty to remain the same. Are you using the diagonal that came with it? That could definitely use replacing. Consider an AstroTech or Williams Optics 99% dielectric type. They will make an improvement. And just so you know I wasn't just telling something I had heard, I do have a 2" SCT type diagonal on my C6S, and it offered no increase in FoV. But it is brighter, because it's an Astro-Tech dielectric. It was on sale at the time, and I couldn't resist. Story of my astronomy life!  Doug
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Patrick
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Please remember the field stop of the C6 is less than the usual SCT, so you will be limited to less than a degree (0.99) FOV no matter what diagonal and eyepieces you use.
I'm sorry to disagree with this statement. I can get at least 1.5° TFOV with my C6 and a 2" eyepiece (or with a 32mm 1.25" TV eyepiece and a f/6.3 focal reducer...even more). I was surprised to find this out on my own after so many people told me it couldn't be done. The 1.5° TFOV is a measured value using the drift method. I suspect there is some light drop off at the edge of the field of view, but I personally can't see it.
I highly recommend adding a 2" visual back to the C6 because it adds a lot more mechanical stability to the scope. It's alot easier holding up a pair of binoviewers with a 2" visual back compared to a 1.25" visual back.
Patrick
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doug76
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Yes, with a .63x reducer you can get this. I wasn't allowing for this. But the 2" doesn't do it. You can get that with then 24mm Panoptic, or a 32mm Plossl. It's still just a 27mm opening in the baffle tube of ther C6S. No 2" with a field stop larger than this is gonna help. Doug
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RAKing
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I highly recommend adding a 2" visual back to the C6 because it adds a lot more mechanical stability to the scope. It's alot easier holding up a pair of binoviewers with a 2" visual back compared to a 1.25" visual back.
I agree with Patrick on this. While I don't use a Focal Reducer on the C6 for visual observing, I do use a 2 inch diagonal. I have a good collection of 2 inch eyepieces and also like the solid feel of the larger diagonal.
Ron
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Joe Ogiba
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I use eyepieces up to about 32mm fieldstop in my Apex 127 5" Mak with Celestron F6.3 FR/FF and 2" SCT diagonal setup for maximum FOV. I could also use my 40mm Pentax XW with 70° AFOV/46.5mm fieldstop without the F6.3 FR/FF and 2" Everbright diagonal/TV visual back with no visible vignetting. So I would think the same setup should work on the C6. photo
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The C6 starts vignetting at the field stop of about 5mm (2.5mm off axis).
The falloff is smooth and progressive up to the field stop of about a 27mm eyepiece, where the illumination plunges. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it isn't there. I can see it easilly in comparison to similar field in a refractor.
Once you go past an effective field stop of 27mm (.37x smaller if you are using a focal reducer), the edge of field illumination drops from about 75% to 50% by going just a few millimeters larger. It continues to decline until the point where you see visible vignetting.
Does this mean that you can't enjoy a field that is only 30% as bright at the edge as it is in the center? Well, I guess not.. Clearly, a lot of people use combinations like this and seem to enjoy it.
But considering that the vast majority of the field is dimmer than in a 4" refractor used at 1.4 degree true field, (remember, more of the area of the field is in the outer diameter), by comparison, the field will look quite distorted visually. The center of the field will be far brigter than the outside of the field.
The effect is that when you look at very large targets like M44, the scope with a fully illuminated field will show a FAR FAR more interesting field.. In the SCT, it will appear that the cluster is somewhat condensed with the brighter stars all near the center.
IN a 4" refractor with the same size field, you will see that there are bright stars everywhwere in the field, and many many many faint outliers that won't even be visible in the 6".
SO sure, you can do it. And hey, a lot of people do, and it works for them.
But if you want to do wide field viewing and see the feild properly rendered with a target framed in a field of background stars, get a refractor or a Newtonian.
I used to do this years ago, and after making many many comparisons on a large number of targets, I determined that the damage to most targets was far more severe than I would have thought. In my 6" refractor, targets I had seen many many times in small SCTs and MCTs became dramatic swarms of stars. Not because of the "Sharpness" of the refractor,but rather because the field was fully illuminated. It wasn't until I started doing those comparisons that I started to realize how much I had been missing.
So do it, but do it with the understanding that the field will look better in a 4" refractor. And the 4" refractor can of course go MUCH wider than even 1.4%.
Small SCTs and MCTs have pretty extreme off axis illumiation dropoff. Going bigger than 27mm in my own opinion damages the view to the point that it is not worth it.
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Edited by Eddgie (08/11/08 10:46 AM)
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Patrick
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azkaban,
The nice thing about having a 2" visual back and diagonal on your C6 is that you have the option of using 2" eyepieces if you so desire. The wider true field of view makes starhopping with a C6 a little easier, regardless if the view has some light drop off or not. After finding the object it's a simple matter of switching over to standard 1.25" eyepieces if you find the view offensive.
In other words, it's not an 'either/or' situation and nothing is lost or ruined with a 2" visual back and diagonal. Rather, it's a much sturdier mechanical arrangement when used with heavier eyepieces.
We could argue all day long about the relative merits of 2" eyepieces in a C6 (and we have) but I see it as all pluses and no minuses. You'll probably want to upgrade the stock diagonal at some point anyway, so it might as well be a 2" version so you can take advantage of the pluses.
And if you want to get a 6" APO down the road for near perfect views you'll have a nice 2" diagonal to put on it. 
Patrick
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