dusty mirrors
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ok guys, no fooling around! i am getting a complex here! i am seeing 1 a brown polar cap, 2 a medium white band, 3 a thin dark grey band, 4 an incredibly thin white band, 5 another thin grey band, 6 a thick white band, 7 a medium brown band, 8 a medium white band, 9 a thin grey band, 10 a brown polar cap. thats 10. (i took notes to be sure!) nobody else is seeing anything like this? i am not seeing double, because the moons are fine points. four fine points. if i was seeing double then there would be moons all over! i need to get my eyes checked! now my head hurts! i am going to bed............
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steveeb
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May I ask what telescope you're using? I can only make out 2 bands going around the middle on my ED80 with a 8mm Hyperion EP. In other words, I see white top-redish band-white middle-redish band-white bottom. I'll look a little closer tonight. What you're seeing only tells me that you have a better telescope than me, not that you're seeing double 
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turndalightsoff
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Oh so that's it. You see cloud bands are colored brown only, not white. The white & grey are the spaces in between the cloud bands. So you are seeing basically what you should; two bands at the planets poles and two bands above and below the equator.
Either that or I'm completely wrong.
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smasraum
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Going by memory from the last good look that I got of Jupiter with my 102 short tube at ~140x, I see a dark cap, a light band, a thin dark band, a light band, a dark band, light band, dark band, light band, thick darkish band (the one with the spot), then a light band and maybe darker near the other pole.
That should be around 10.
What I really concentrate on are the darker bands, I know that towards the top there is a very thin dark band, then what looks like a double dark band and then a thick dark band (the one with the GRS). I believe the top and bottom are darker. I just did a search of images of Jupiter. It seems that the upper of the thicker dark bands is usually only a single dark band. To me it often looks like a double band. I'll have to check again the next time I get a chance to get out.
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steveeb
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There's about 10 give or take: (from Starry Nights)
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turndalightsoff
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Hmm..just out of curiosity, are those white spots on the bottom the impact "bruises" of comet levy-shoemaker? 
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desertrefugee
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dusty, PM sent.
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Protheus
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Sounds reasonable. I haven't taken a close look in a while, so I can't be absolutely sure that what you see matches what I see.
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spencerj
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Take a look in the sketching forums. It should give you an idea as to what other observers are seeing with specific instruments and magnifications.
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amys
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Hmmm. From that photo, it looks like I've been seeing most of what's there to see. I'll need to take a photo out with me tonight to see what I can discern with my ZenithStar 110.
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Dylan Gladstone
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Tonight's supposed to be clear, so hopefully I'll be out. (Although I was in IT Hell until nearly midnight last night.)
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Bhavdeep
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All I see are 2 dark bands around the center on a bright bright disc. But again, I didn't spend any time... just a couple of minutes. I guess, the more time you spend on an object, the more detail you'll see.
OP, are you using any filters?
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smasraum
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Bhavedeep, You shouldn't need a filter to see a bit more than you are seeing. What maginification are you using? Using more magnification should allow you to see more and should dim the disk down a bit.
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Steve
Houston (Friendswood), TX
Space Center Houston
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dgs©
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i need to get my eyes checked! now my head hurts! i am going to bed.........
I wouldn't worry about it unless you start seeing plaid. 
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arpruss
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I don't see more than the two dark bands, except once when I saw the GRS (it was very faint, and light colored), and once when I saw Callisto and its shadow on the face. I may once have had a hint of whorls. That's on an 8" F/4.5 at 90X. At 180X, I see basically the same, but more blurrily.
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Mike B
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I wouldn't worry about it unless you start seeing plaid.
... in which case i & my beloved flannel shirt might be nearby, and it would be time to  break out the Oreos. 
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arpruss
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OK, tonight I saw four dark bands. But no equatorial caps.
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amys
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i had the refractor out tonight and could see four or 5 bands, no caps but did see the GRS for the first time, which looked beige to me. Also, 2 moons were nearly on top of each other. It's the first time I've seen them that close.
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Mike B
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...but did see the GRS for the first time, which looked beige to me.
Yeah, that or possibly salmon? A pale shadow of its former grandeur (c.1970). Some folks have taken to callin' it the GPS- great pale spot. 
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Also, 2 moons were nearly on top of each other.
Yeah, they can get pretty spunky  Since we're seeing the system not *precisely* edge-on, plus the system itself is likely not entirely planar, the four of 'em will dance some pretty strange arrangements!
For a few (Earth) years recently, Callisto appeared to entirely "miss" the planet from our line-of-sight... and has now, once again, resumed its "transits" across the northerly region of Jupiter's disk. The rest of the 4 'Galilean' satellites transit far closer to Jupiter's mid-section.
Very cool stuff!
 mike b
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Mr. Mike
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May I ask what telescope you're using? I can only make out 2 bands going around the middle on my ED80 with a 8mm Hyperion EP. In other words, I see white top-redish band-white middle-redish band-white bottom. I'll look a little closer tonight. What you're seeing only tells me that you have a better telescope than me, not that you're seeing double
With my Takahashi 7.5mm LE eyepiece(75x) and my Stellarvue 80ED, I was able to make out 2 bands along with glimpses of the GRS last night. When things settled down, I was even able to barely make out another two bands, but it was fleeting. However, the actual "view" was stunning. Razor sharp and excellent contrast. Seeing was decent..not great, but not bad either. I did this pretty early too so later at night it should be even better. Honestly, at 70x to 90x I doubt you'll get that much more than what I described unless you have extremely steady skies. Its not likely your scope. Also, the Hyperion is a very good eyepiece but it does have a bunch of glass in it which is not always the best choice for planetary viewing. My Tak 7.5 has fewer elements and therefore has more light throughput. This also makes a difference in fine detail. Just for giggles, try another couple of eyepieces like a plossl or an ortho and see if those tease out more detail. Its worth a try.
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