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Very Best Greases for Focusers, Bearings and more
      #2581271 - 08/14/08 03:10 PM

My Questar 3.5 is doing fine, but I wondered what greases are the very best for the focuser screw, focuser sliding bearing on the inner central tube/shaft and on worm gear bearings. I have read a bit about Dupont's Krytox greases like their 240AC (used on lunar rovers and aerospace stuff) - a bit pricey at $60. the ounce, but totally inert. Does anyone have any experience with different greases and a recommendation to which is best for maksutov focusing mechanisms and worm gear bearings? I have a couple of telescope projects in the works. I also need a grease which can be safely used to prevent oxidation from moisture on linear crossed roller bearings and a grease for to the internals of maksutov focusers, another for worm gear drives, as well. Grease anyone? Thanks.

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Re: Very Best Greases for Focusers, Bearings and more new [Re: CharlesStG]
      #2582752 - 08/15/08 09:05 AM

I would be careful about this greasing project. Me, I have never greased my 1979 Duplex; which was given a complete service by Mother in 1994. Only with diopter focuser (I have several) was disassembled, and the threads greased with Jet-Lube 550, a moly-disulfide anti-seize lube (costs about $11 per can. You have to get it at a place that sells tools (e.g. Production Tool Supply). Be careful about using stuff that will evaporate and coat the optics of the Q. Ask Mother for advice is my advice....

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Re: Very Best Greases for Focusers, Bearings and more new [Re: Rat8bug]
      #2583002 - 08/15/08 11:42 AM

I have used Dupont Krytox 240AC for the last 30 years or so. I routinely lube any new equipment where threads need to be done and un-done, etc., especially aluminum. On the Questar, for instance, the camera adapter, solar filter and lens cap.

The specifications are correct, it is inert, does not migrate and does not out-gas. Although expensive, a little goes a long way. I'm still using my original tube.

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Re: Very Best Greases for Focusers, Bearings and more new [Re: EddWen]
      #2584376 - 08/16/08 01:44 AM

Thanks Barry and Edd -- I would likely have the pro servicing done on my Q, but I have two other fancy maks which could use some grease attention on focuser screw, focuser linear tube, worm gears, ball bearings and more and another large scope project with quite large ball transfer bearings (for azimuth), tapered roller bearings (using hidden fork stop steering head Harley bearings), numerous crossed roller bearings, and large 1.5" needle bearing on a big scope I am building for my observatory.

So, with a little more help (from all here) and research, I've decided what I do and don't want in my grease: Let's start with the what I don't want first....
1. I don't want color which can stain fingers and clothes -- either white or clear is good.
2. I don't want odor. (The grease on my Terabeam/Meade focuser AND mounts is thick, black and it smells nasty - clearly a petroleum-base gunk).
3. I don't want grease which dries out and gets sticky and gummy -- ever.
4. I don't want grease which drips oil like some cheap lithium greases I've seen - would make a mess.
What I do want in a grease is this:
1. Must be useable (minimal viscosity change) in cold temps down to 0 degrees F
2. Must allow for smoothest movement of focusers and bearings no matter what the materials riding against each other (stainless on stainless can gall pretty easily or steel on aluminum).
3. Must have truly superior rust protection - to protect my corrosion resistant, but not fully stainless, tool-steel crossed roller bearings and other bearings.
4. Preferably non-toxic.
5. Great whetting action without migrating (I want it to lubricate where I put it, but not to go onto other surfaces over time just because I happen to carry the scope in a case boucing in my car for 2000 miles from time to time).
6. I would prefer a grease where one can use very little and that's all that's needed -- not so much to save grease as to allow bearings to move without restriction caused by too much grease gunking-up the response time.
7. Must have particles sufficiently small as to not degrade performance (bind-up) my Parker and Bosch Rex Star Linear crossed roller bearings.
8. It must not degrade in any performance area listed above no matter how long (with the possible exception of requiring cleaning due to contamination from dust every few years, where exposure to dust is an insoluble problem.

Having done a bit more research, I am firmly committed to the idea that at the least, I would use either (third choice) Dupont Teflon Bearing Grease (no longer made, but still available at a few bike shops online), or (second choice) Dupont Krytox GPL 220 to 223(low viscosity, low temp., anti-corrosion) or Krytox 283az which is about the same but mil-spec and much more expensive or (first choice) is a new Dupont Krytox "XP" series, like their XP2A5 which has new soluble protection agents instead of the insoluble agents used in their 283AZ and GPL 220 series greases.
The Krytox are so totally inert, they have an unlimited shelf life and practically an unlimited service life in low stress applications, like ours. The XP stands for extra protection and compared with earlier anti-corrosion Krytox formulas relying on insoluble (suspended particles) agents, uses a fully soluble agent which has proven effective in passing the most rigorous salt water rust tests with no rust seen on the protected steel parts.

So, for now, I will try to buy some Krytox XP2A5 from the only source I can find -- http://www.tmcindustries.com/krytox_xp.html

Will let all know how it works out - should be interesting. I plan to do my own rust test with it, as well as test it's lubricity, ease of application and so on.


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Re: Very Best Greases for Focusers, Bearings and more new [Re: CharlesStG]
      #2589358 - 08/18/08 08:37 PM

I have decided to experiment with both XP2A1 and XP2A5 - for engineering solutions at work and I think it will work for astronomy uses, too. I will advise all here, but if you don't need the added rust protection, I believe about any of the Krytox greases should work fine for you. I noticed a gent is selling 2 oz. tubes of Krytox 240AC for just $25. on the "bay" -- the going retail for this stuff is $150. for the same tube. Just seach under Krytox. One tube might even last you 30 years - just ask Edd.

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Re: Very Best Greases for Focusers, Bearings and more new [Re: CharlesStG]
      #2589442 - 08/18/08 09:19 PM

Why not call Jim R. at Questar and find out what 60 years of servicing has determined to be the best product.

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Re: Very Best Greases for Focusers, Bearings and more new [Re: Billydee]
      #2589616 - 08/18/08 10:46 PM

Billydee - Knowing the answer to such a question would certainly be of interest, but I, for one, feel uncomfortable asking as it may seem like one is trying to gain information of Q service for the purpose of taking business away from the Q service dept -- which is not my intention, but appearances rule more than facts sometimes.

Anyway, I am not convinced they actually are using the very best, cost no object grease at Q. Perhaps yes, perhaps something found to be "good enough" to meet specs as advertised. For instance, I wonder how much image shift experienced by some Q owners would be reduced by going with one of these miracle Dupont greases instead -- it is simply not commercially feasible to try all manner of esoteric and super expensive products to optimize performance. Besides, this grease is so inert and so good that one application in a sealed environment may be all it takes to last a lifetime -- not really good for repeat service business, so what is the motivation to use the very best -- costs more, not appreciated and kills repeat service business. I think Q is as fine a company as exists in the USA, but they have to survive like any company or they can't be the best at anything other than what was. So, I prefer to find answers to such delicate questions outside of service channels. Besides, my Q is actually quite fine -- it was for other scopes that I needed grease solutions. ALSO, please note: if anyone uses these Krytox greases it is imperative for all organic greases and oils be thoroughly removed just prior to application of Krytox as any organic oil or grease residue will keep the Krytox from whetting the material, thus allowing the Krytox to pretty much run off. Also, any organic grease left behind will eventually dry up and contaminate the Krytox. Any good degreaser will work -- I like pure citrus solvent best -- available from the Real Milk Paint Company - pure and good stuff - no water. Enjoy!

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Re: Very Best Greases for Focusers, Bearings and more new [Re: CharlesStG]
      #2590618 - 08/19/08 01:06 PM

I am informed that my special order for Krytox XP2A1 and XP2A5 will be here in two weeks or less. I also have a little tube another version of Krytox LVP 1521 coming which will be here by end of week, I believe -- let the testing begin! I will inform all here of how it goes, when it goes.
All for now -

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Edited by CharlesStG (08/19/08 01:07 PM)


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Re: Very Best Greases for Focusers, Bearings and more new [Re: CharlesStG]
      #2596877 - 08/22/08 03:25 PM

All - The first Krytox grease to arrive is a 2 oz. tube I bought on the "bay" - an LVP (Low Vapor Pressure) G1521 -- perfectly clear with the consistency of vaseline. The low vapor pressure means it won't boil off or outgas even in a complete vacuum. I found that rather than cut off the end of the tube, I merely ran a medium steel pin into the end. It comes out nice and slow for controlled application through the pin hole. I suspect a little will go a very long way. Remember to completely degrease any surface just before application. I plan to start using this LVP version on stainless and aluminum areas where I don't need strong corrosion protection and where clear is even better than white grease. This LVP version seems to feel about right for worm gear drives -- I have two 5.75" ring/worm gears to try - should be interesting. Just need to degrease which will take some time, care and patience. I'll let you know when I have all three on the same evening.... with the results

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