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snowdragonusa
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Well bugger... I was hoping that might work for you. Have you ever been able to take darks or has this happened from day one?
A couple of other thoughts... were you typing in the darks path in or using the browse function? Do you have the full path listed? c:\Meade Images\Darks This is exactly as it appears on my machine.
Did you try a full uninstall AND delete the reg keys AND reinstall off of the NEW 7.05 only?
I know I might be stating some of the obvious but sometimes it helps having someone just mention the same things again becasue you have wrapped your head around it so tight you can't see ahead. I just had a friend who had been fighting with his sink faucet for the last month. He replace EVRY THING on the handles but still couldn't get water out the spout. When I came over I looked over his repairs and asked if he had checked the spout for clogs, which he hadn't. I unscrewed the screen, brushed it out, took out a piece of plastic that was in there and now he has water running.
Perhaps just a fresh try and uninstalling, deleting the reg keys, and reinstalling with the 7.05 might work. If nothing else it will gine you time to contemplate the mysteries of the universe.... like why your DSI isn't saving Darks. 
Good luck mate!
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Adam
12" LX200R
AT80mm piggyback
DSI Pro, DSI-C, LPI
Denver Astronomical Society
Brighton Astronomical Group
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DaemonGPF
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Reged: 03/22/08
Posts: 1486
Loc: New Mexico
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The problem is, I've gone as far as to format machines and reload fresh. I've tried complete uninstalls and reinstalls. Versions 5.2 and 7.05 both give same results across 4 different machines with 4 different hardware and software configurations. Tried ripping out reg keys and letting them rebuild. The darks path has been cut and pasted, manually typed, and navigated to.
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-Josh
*Orion Starblast Imaging 150mm OTA
*Orion Starblast Imaging 114mm OTA
*Meade 50mm AR short tube OTA
*Meade DSI Pro IIc
*Orion Starshoot DSCI
*CG5 mount
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AlanT
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Reged: 08/20/07
Posts: 271
Loc: 122º36' W, 47º37' N, WA USA
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Al,
I gave this a shot over the weekend with Maxim DL, but had really quirky end results.. I will have to try nebulousity out. It does take images just fine with the exception of the terrible noise and hot pixels it produces. .....
I know you want to solve the Envisage problem (I would too... it would bug me to no end), but.... Since you said you had a trip coming up, and the solution with Meade/Envisage isn't showing progress, I'd recommend practicing with Maxim or Neb.
There are some good advantages anyway.
> You'll have better control of how you stack and apply your dark frames. (However you'll have to name your dark frames with a reference temperature so to apply the right ones in later sessions). I think you'll find it works better for dealing with hot-pixels as well.
> It will probably be easier to take and apply flats & flat-darks. Flats my not be necessary for you, but I've gotta take 'em as I can't seem to keep the chips on DSIs really clean.
I still use Envisage a lot, just because I like seeing the dark subtracted image on the fly, but often regret it later in post processing because I want more control of the image calibration process.
I'm not sure what you mean by quirky results, and haven't used Maxim DL myself, but your overall process after taking your Darks, Flats, Flat-Darks, and Lights would be of course:
> Calibrate each frame by subtracting the Darks and applying the Flats
> Stack the resultant Light frames (average, median, K-sigma, etc)
> Debayer the result to get your color image.
DSS does a nice job of doing the whole job, I've been using it recently to do the cal, stack, and debayer images from my OSC camera (not a DSI).
Just a suggestion,
al
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jgraham
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Loc: Dayton, Ohio
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The biggest challenge seems to be this problem is unique; I've not heard of any similar reports that couldn't be traced to relatively simple fixes (for example, setting the right directory). The fact you get the same result on different machines and after re-installs really points to a problem with the camera and/or cable. But the fact it takes images makes it really weird. Have you tried a different cable? Also, take a peek inside the connector to see if the contacts all look okay.
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-John
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DaemonGPF
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Loc: New Mexico
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John,
I went out and bought a brand new USB 2.0 cable just to be sure, and it still produced the same issue. The camera looks mint, pins, connectors, casing, everything. It is completely bizarre.
I have software application developers who work for me, so I took my setup to the office one day to see what they thought. On a quick assessment, they all believed the problem to be software related and likely a bug in Envisage, and for some reason, I'm the lucky soul who has stumbled on it. Unfortunately, that won't carry any weight with Meade, they will have to independently come to that conclusion.
Alan,
It's hard to explain what I mean by "quirky results", it might just be easier to show you. I'll dig up some of the files this evening if I have a few minutes and show you what happens when I dark subtract using Maxim DL.
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-Josh
*Orion Starblast Imaging 150mm OTA
*Orion Starblast Imaging 114mm OTA
*Meade 50mm AR short tube OTA
*Meade DSI Pro IIc
*Orion Starshoot DSCI
*CG5 mount
http://cleardarksky.com/c/AlbuqNMkey.html
My Messier Project Gallery
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snowdragonusa
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Reged: 09/04/07
Posts: 637
Loc: Denver, CO
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Like John said... it seems very odd indeed that accross platforms, machines, installs and reformats that this problem persists. I personally downloaded the 7.05 from the Meade webiste and had not problems on two different machines. I wonder if you have a common program on all three of your machines that might be blocking Envisage in some way.
The other thing I was kinda of thinking... kinda simple but maybe worth a check... are read/write permissions set for the Darks folder? Hidden files? How about your virus scanner? Again, perhaps there is a common program that is blocking this on all of your machines.
One other suggestion. Ask a friend to install and try the DSI out on their machine. This would help determine if it is something with your systems (i.e. setting or program) or if it is possibly the DSI itself.
This is one heck of a puzzle!
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Adam
12" LX200R
AT80mm piggyback
DSI Pro, DSI-C, LPI
Denver Astronomical Society
Brighton Astronomical Group
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DaemonGPF
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Reged: 03/22/08
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Loc: New Mexico
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Read write permissions are all ok. I didn't even bother loading an antivirus application on the freshly formatted machine. Come to think of it, no other apps were/are loaded either. Just windows patches and appropriate drivers. I took the camera to work and even installed it on my work laptop for grins(work laptop was #4 machine). It's just bizarre. I can take darks with my Orion DSCI and Maxim DL just fine.
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-Josh
*Orion Starblast Imaging 150mm OTA
*Orion Starblast Imaging 114mm OTA
*Meade 50mm AR short tube OTA
*Meade DSI Pro IIc
*Orion Starshoot DSCI
*CG5 mount
http://cleardarksky.com/c/AlbuqNMkey.html
My Messier Project Gallery
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blueman
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Reged: 07/20/07
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Do the machines have USB 2.0? How long is the USB cable that you are using? Have you created the dark directory yourself? Or just rely on the program doing this?
Blueman
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WO 80mm f/6 APO Televue .8 focal reducer
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AlanT
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Reged: 08/20/07
Posts: 271
Loc: 122º36' W, 47º37' N, WA USA
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How about in Envisage, take a dark as if it's a light frame (just cover the scope, and shoot a 30 second exposure). Have a look at it and see if it looks like a normal dark. Should look something like this (although this is from a mono DSI2 Pro). If it looks way different, then I guess there could be something wrong with the the camera/cable.... I just can't imagine what.
al
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Meade 80mm APO
Celestron C6
CGE, CG-5 GT
DSI Pro, DSI Pro II, ST-2000xcm
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snowdragonusa
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Loc: Denver, CO
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Ya Josh, I really think this is a hardware problem at this point. I would have thought Envisage would have completely controled the inaging and saving but since you have run on another outside machine it has to be hardware. Again the only other suggestion is to load and run on someones elsea machine. This will rule out any system settings you may have done unknowingly on your machines (and at work since that was yours as well).
Gosh, how bizzar!
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Adam
12" LX200R
AT80mm piggyback
DSI Pro, DSI-C, LPI
Denver Astronomical Society
Brighton Astronomical Group
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