Brooklyn
scholastic sledgehammer
Reged: 07/24/08
Posts: 870
Loc: Central New Jersey
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Hey guys, nice to be back in this forum again. Been spending WAY WAY too much time with those reflector dudes and the DIY guys, so Im starting to get a bit weird. 
J/k 
I was messing around with my 8mm and 5mm baader hyperions the other day, and while observing with the 5mm i somehow got a drip of saliva or sweat onto the glass. It hardened to form a nice little circle, which would almost definitely ruin my views. Unfortunately for the past week or more the skies have been horrible, with nothing but mostly cloudy on the forecast.
Now, i take it that most people when cleaning their eyepieces ONLY clean the top glass that is closest to the eye.
To do this on many expensive EPs, you would need to remove the rubber eyeguard and possibly another part of the ep.
With my baaders i had to remove the eyeguard and that was enough to reach the edge of the upper glass with a Q-tip wet with cleaning solution.
It didn't leave any streaks at all, so i didn't use distilled water to rinse the area.
With my meade super plossls however, after you remove the rubber eyeguard, you still have to remove a plastic piece between the eyeguard and the lens and that can sometimes get tricky.
Most of the time i simply use a blower blub to blast my eyepieces with some air after every observing session, but for liquid stains this doesnt work of course.
I use Dr. Clay sherrods cleaning solution from Optcorp.com and very rarely the zhummel cleaning kit.
Also, i sometimes rinse the area with distilled water on a q-tip, but most of the time i dont as there are no streaks at all.
When i was stupid and very noobish, i used a bounty paper towel to try to remove some sweat that dripped onto a meade 26mm super plossl that came with my scope. Of course it got scratched just a little, but not enough to introduce image degradation. I didnt really care about this eyepiece as it was the standard trash that comes with the scope.
I'm curious as to how everyone here cleans their eyepieces. A single wrong move while cleaning an ethos, and that's almost 700 dollars GONE! Scary thought, i know.
I want to know what cleaning tools and solutions you use, which company makes them, and what technique you use. For example, my technique for cleaning eyepieces with a q-tip is I make a light circular path from the middle to the edge, just as they say you should do a corrector plate.
-------------------- Meade 8.25"(209.55mm) LX-90 EMC (SCT)
Albert Einstein =>
“Intellectual growth should commence at birth and cease only at death.”
“If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.”
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FirstSight
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Reged: 12/26/05
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Loc: Raleigh, NC
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ROR optical lens cleaning solution
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Orion optical cloth + a second identical cloth from [?brand? - sold for expensive camera lenses] - sometimes I also use a Q-tip (see link below)
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a judicious small amount of distilled water, if needed
BTW: TeleVue has a tutorial webpage specifically about cleaning eyepieces (e.g. those expensive Nagler and Ethos EP] at:
http://www.televue.com/engine/page.asp?ID=143
I was rather surprised that Uncle Al says it's ok to use acetone as your cleaning solution, provided it's in pure form (and not mixed with oils or perfumes as nail polish remover usually is). I'd think you'd need to be wary about how acetone might interact with some of the non-glass parts of the EP, even if it's safe to use on lens surfaces per se. I haven't tried acetone myself yet, the ROR has worked just fine so far.
-------------------- Chris M., aka "First Sight"
Orion XT12i Dob with Moonlite CR-2 focuser
WO Megrez 90 refractor on UniStar Light mount
Nikon 10x50 Binoculars
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Paul P
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Reged: 12/14/07
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R.O.R., Q-tips, distilled water (my breath). The results are sparkling!
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Brooklyn
scholastic sledgehammer
Reged: 07/24/08
Posts: 870
Loc: Central New Jersey
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question, how does R.O.R compare to the more traditional cleaners, like the kind Dr. Clay uses?
I know the residual oil remover is great for getting off finger prints and eyelash oils, but what about everything else?
Dust, pollen, dew marks, spider webs, insect residue?
These pollutants above are the reason some telescope cleaning kits have ammonia in them (dr. clays does also).
-------------------- Meade 8.25"(209.55mm) LX-90 EMC (SCT)
Albert Einstein =>
“Intellectual growth should commence at birth and cease only at death.”
“If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.”
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Paul G
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Loc: Freedonia
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I'm one of the obsessive eyepiece cleaners, both in the field and after each observing session. I find the smallest amount of eyelash oil or dirt has a dramatic deleterious effect on the image contrast. I've been carefully following this procedure for many years and the coatings on my eyepieces are pristine, no scratches or signs of wear. I always use the following:
1) Blow off any particulates with a large ear bulb syringe.
2) Lightly brush off any stubborn particles with a sable artist's brush.
3) Blow off again to remove anything released by the brush.
4) My cleaning solution is Kodak lens cleaning solution. It's a known entity with a long track record of safety on very expensive coated camera lenses. I've used the Zeiss cleaning solution, also, but the Kodak usually works better for me. You may find that one solution may be more effective than the other on certain contaminants. I have the Astro-Physics optical cleaning system but haven't used it yet.
4) Use surgical roll cotton, extremely soft with no particulates. Very inexpensive, available from drug stores or medical supply stores.
5) Avoid using too much cleaning solution. You want to prevent any solution wicking around the edge of the eye lens into the innards of the eyepiece. An old photog taught me a trick -- shake the Kodak cleaning solution so it has a head of suds, then hold the bottle _upright_ and dispense a dab of foam onto the cotton. It is the perfect amount of fluid.
6) Roll the cotton against the direction of movement across the glass, so the leading edge lifts any particles off the glass and doesn't rub them across the glass surface. Replace the cotton after one complete rotation. Use zero pressure, only the weight of the cotton.
7) I make my own q-tips by twirling a wooden applicator stick (can be purchased at medical supply stores, same place as surgical roll cotton) while dipping the tip lightly into the surgical roll cotton. Once you have picked up a dab of cotton with the tip, roll it between your fingers to shape it. With a little practice you can make them look like they came out of a factory and can customize the size to whatever is appropriate for that particular eyepiece. You can make one the size of a fist for corrector plates or objective lenses if you wish. For those tiny eye lenses in short fl orthos, you can snap an applicator stick in half and use the fine point to twirl up a dab of cotton to make a q-tip as small as 1 mm.
8) Final puff of air to remove any lint left by the surgical cotton.
Roland Christen had the following to say about dirt on eyepieces in the Yahoo AstroPhysics users group:
"Eyepieces are mega-mucho far more affected by tiny sleeks and surface contaminations than telescope mirrors or objective lens surfaces. The images are highly concentrated and pass through only the tiniest fraction of the eyepiece lens element. A tiny defect on that surface will be very large compared to the image. A dust grain will be a mountain on Mars. Anyone who has seen the effect of a mote of dust on a CCD chip cover plate will know instantly what I'm talking about. That same dust mote or sleek will have zero effect at the front objective."
-------------------- Gus
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cuir
scholastic sledgehammer
Reged: 03/03/07
Posts: 861
Loc: 45° 1'12. N, 73°56'12. W (Qc)
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I use the brush on a lenpens, and Zeiss cleaning fluid and wipes. I never user the "felt tip thingy" on the lenspen though, only the brush. I use the same thing on my Maksutov's meniscus. Impecable results.


-------------------- Seb
Latest eyepiece spreadsheet
Choosing the right eyepiece
Main scope: 150mm Skywatcher Maksutov
Favorite ep: 24 Panoptic
Pref'ed filters: Lumicon 0III and UHC
Mounts: EQ6-Pro and Skyview AZ
Just in: C8-S-XLT
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Mr. Mike
scholastic sledgehammer
Reged: 11/08/05
Posts: 858
Loc: Churchville, NY
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Just some good quality lens cleaning solution and lens cloths with VERY LIGHT pressure seems to remove any signs of gunk for me. Keep in mind that the glass in our optical gear is actually pretty tough & resilient. You have to do something REALLY dumb to scratch it.
Common sense prevails....
-------------------- Stellarvue NG 80mm ED
Meade 7x50 Binos
Pentax XW 5mm
Meade 5K UWA 8.8mm
Vixen LVW 13mm
Vixen LVW 22mm
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csa/montana
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Reged: 05/14/05
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Loc: montana
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Here's a kit that I'm very impressed with:
link
You will find these folks wonderful to work with, very prompt shipping.
-------------------- Carol
AstroTech 16" Dob (Thanks ASTRONOMICS!)
AstroTech 66ED / Vixen 80MF/AstroTech Voyager
Masuyama's 7.5, 15, 25W, 35mm,
Tak LE 5mm B/TMB 3.2
7mm Pentax XL, 10mm Pentax XW
14mm Meade 4000 UWA
22mm Pan, 35mm Pan
DreamCatcher Dobservatory, #2
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DeepSpaceTour
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Reged: 10/25/05
Posts: 3024
Loc: In the dark and"WAY"out there!
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1.Blow-brush off any loose particles.
2.ROR and Q-tip's.
3.Then excellent quality lens cleaning papers.
Clear skies.
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Bill
-17.5"F/5 Discovery TD /Dob driver/ArgoNavis
Kendrick dew control/Obsession Alt bearings
-Antares 152-F/6.5 refractor on HEQ-5 Pro
-25x100 Binos
-15x70 Binos
-Collimating tools "LOTS"
- TV ep's *8-Ethos*13-Ethos*31T-5*
- 2" Barlows
- Pelican1600
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microbes
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Loc: Romulus, Sector 12
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Quote:
Zeiss cleaning fluid and wipes.
I've been using the Zeiss wipes for quite a while (they come 100 to the box, use once and throw away), and like them.
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Dirt Cheap Astronomy
Voyager 114X900 Newt EQ2 * Sky Chief 60X700 EQ1 * Cometron 62X300 EQ1
Sears Ultra Wide 7X50 Binos * Vintage 16X50 Binos EQ1
Books, Barlows, Eyepieces, Camera Adaptors & Other Esoteric Junk.
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Albie
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Reged: 02/22/05
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Loc: Alberta,Canada
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Hurricane puffer,Giottos brush,ROR and q-tips.
-------------------- Skywatcher 10" f/4.7 Dob with Moonlight CR1
Televue 2x barlow and 5T6,7T6,9T6,16T5 and 26T5 Televue Naglers.
SkyMaster 15x70,Regal LX 8x42 and Noble 10x28
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eddie kirkland
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Reged: 08/12/04
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Loc: Alabama
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Probably a stupid question, but what is ROR?
-------------------- Eddie Kirkland
Auburn, AL
16" f/4.5 Midnightelescope truss dob
10" f/6 Astrosky truss dob
Stellarvue/TMB 105
Stellarvue Nighthawk II
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TexBiker
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Reged: 12/18/07
Posts: 130
Loc: North Texas
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Quote:
Probably a stupid question, but what is ROR?
Residual Oil Remover. Think of it as a degreaser for optics.
-------------------- Michael
Dallas, TX
Orion 127mm Mak-Cass
Orion 10" Dob
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Dylan Gladstone
scholastic sledgehammer
Reged: 08/05/07
Posts: 955
Loc: Connecticut, USA
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Note: I have no expensive eyepieces. But I still don't want to ruin my most expensive eyepiece a $60 TMB Planetary.
I use rubbing alcohol & q-tips. After blowing, gently brushing off any dirt, I just lightly dip the q-tip in the alcohol then gently swab the lens. Repeat until no streaks.
It's a big step up from what I used initially. The corner of my shirt!
-------------------- Orion SkyView Pro 127mm Maksutov
Edited by Dylan Gladstone (08/18/08 04:41 PM)
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eddie kirkland
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Reged: 08/12/04
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Loc: Alabama
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Where might one find ROR?
-------------------- Eddie Kirkland
Auburn, AL
16" f/4.5 Midnightelescope truss dob
10" f/6 Astrosky truss dob
Stellarvue/TMB 105
Stellarvue Nighthawk II
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Albie
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Reged: 02/22/05
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I found mine at a local camera store. Here is a link to ROR ROR(residual oil remover)
-------------------- Skywatcher 10" f/4.7 Dob with Moonlight CR1
Televue 2x barlow and 5T6,7T6,9T6,16T5 and 26T5 Televue Naglers.
SkyMaster 15x70,Regal LX 8x42 and Noble 10x28
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Brooklyn
scholastic sledgehammer
Reged: 07/24/08
Posts: 870
Loc: Central New Jersey
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Well guys, i decided to pull the trigger.
Instead of getting RoR for 6 bucks...i decided to get Dr. Clay's complete optical cleaning kit.
I mainly got it for the BEST brush i have ever seen, and for the non-leak bottles. Regular plastic bottles let the alcohol slowly leak through it, so your solution wont be the same a few weeks later. The bottles used by dr. clay's chemist are special expensive plastic compound. They retain 99.9999% of all chemicals inside, with the .000001% leaving only when you open the top cap.
I know dr clays solution is rather expensive at 40 dollars, but you get everything you need.
Im sure you guys noticed that this cleaning kit does NOT come with a air blower bulb to blast air at the dust. Why? because ITS NOT NEEDED. You can brush off all the dust on the optics using the large wooster brush safely, and you will never need to use another ear syringe bulb blower ever again. I personally asked the doc about why he doesnt include the air blower bulb, and that is the reason. You just don't need a blower if u have a high quality, large fine brush.
http://www.optcorp.com/product.aspx?pid=1952&kw=doc%20clay&st=2
Notice they also sell a dry version for 20 bucks...but for this you still have to go out and buy all of the liquids necessary, and i figured the entire point of buying a premade kit is to NOT have to collect the ingredients on your own. This doc clays cleaning kit is specially formulated for the EMC, UHTC, and StarBright XLT coatings...which means it is quite possibly the SAFEST and most effective cleaner possible for SCTs.
Also, when you are done with the solutions provided, you can reuse the two expensive compound plastic bottles over and over to store your own personally mixed solutions. Doc clay provides the formula for these solutions for free to everyone, the tough part is making it the right way.
Think about it this way....for the 2-3 hours it will take you trying to collect all of these ingredients, you could be spending that time AT WORK, making well over 15-30 dollars per house. Even I as a college student make around 15 bucks an hour, so me sitting at work and ordering this kit i still came out with money on top. 
Also, optcorp is probably the best telescope and astronomy store in the world! (or at least in the USA). They offer crazy discounts to cloudy nights members for no reason whatsoever. So why would i ever deal with any other retail stores, if i can constantly get 5-10% off on ALL purchases here?
-------------------- Meade 8.25"(209.55mm) LX-90 EMC (SCT)
Albert Einstein =>
“Intellectual growth should commence at birth and cease only at death.”
“If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.”
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Bob W6PU
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I use 91 percent rubbing alcohol, and a clean cotton undershirt. I wet the cotton shirt with the alcohol, and gently rub the entire lens surface,then before the alcohol has a chance to evaporate, I clean it off with another dry cotton shirt.
After these shirts are laundered, I carefully rinse them in water to remove any detergent residue!
Bob 12" F/4.9 Intelliscope with COL
10" F/5.0 Coast Instrument Treckerscope,circa 1956
Stratus 35mm. Naglers 22T4,17T4, and 12T4. BO/TMB 7mm and 5mm. TeleVue Paracorr
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csa/montana
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Quote:
Also, optcorp is probably the best telescope and astronomy store in the world! (or at least in the USA). They offer crazy discounts to cloudy nights members for no reason whatsoever. So why would i ever deal with any other retail stores, if i can constantly get 5-10% off on ALL purchases here?
Astronomics also gives CN members discounts, not to mention giving us CN!
-------------------- Carol
AstroTech 16" Dob (Thanks ASTRONOMICS!)
AstroTech 66ED / Vixen 80MF/AstroTech Voyager
Masuyama's 7.5, 15, 25W, 35mm,
Tak LE 5mm B/TMB 3.2
7mm Pentax XL, 10mm Pentax XW
14mm Meade 4000 UWA
22mm Pan, 35mm Pan
DreamCatcher Dobservatory, #2
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KWB
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VERY well put,Carol!
-------------------- Kenny
"When dealing with a mystery,choose the most unlikely of the likely possibilities"-Sherlock Holmes
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