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Mike Rapchak
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Jono,
My personal opinion: If you already own a 20x90 pair that fuinction nicely, don't waste your money on a 25x100 as there isn't all that much difference between them visually. I'd also advise passing up the "Z"s as their quality level is pretty inconsistent (their low price is one tip-off). I don't consider it worth taking the gamble that you'd end up with a good pair.
Mike Rapchak Jr.
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hallelujah
Carpal Tunnel
   
Reged: 07/14/06
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Loc: Rocky Mt. High Colorado
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Jono,
If you already own a 20x90 pair that fuinction nicely,
Mike Rapchak Jr.
Mike,
Where did you SEE the 20x90mm???  All I found was a 15x70mm on his site.
-------------------- Celestron Traveler 8x25 & B. & H. 8x40 FC JAPAN & Revue 10x50 CF Porro FC JAPAN &
Pentax 12x50 PCF WP II FMC & Pentax 16x60 PCF WP FMC &
Pentax 20x60 PCF WP II FMC & Orion 12x63 Mini Giant FMC JAPAN &
SPECTRUM I 20x65 FC JAPAN &
Orion 15x70 Little Giant II FMC JAPAN & Orion 20x70 Little Giant II FMC JAPAN
Orion 16x80 Giant FMC JAPAN & Orion 30x80 MEGAView FMC JAPAN
Barska 30x80 X-Trail LW FC & Burgess Optical Series II 20x90 FMC
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Mike Rapchak
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Posts: 568
Loc: Indiana, USA
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Hallelujah,
In one of Jono's posts he said that he currently owns a Chinese pair of 20x90s.
Mike Rapchak Jr.
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Mike Rapchak
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Posts: 568
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Oops - maybe I made a mistake here; after re-reading Jono's reply (to Nick) I think he was actually quoting a statement made by Kenny in an earlier post (I know Kenny owns a pair of 20x90s). 
Mike Rapchak Jr.
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KennyJ
   
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That's correct , Mike , I do own some 20 x 90s , which bear the Strathspey logo .
I don't know if it's because I'm a snob , but although , after modifications , I enjoy certain aspects of viewing with them , and relatively speaking , considering these ARE 90mm binoculars , they are not at all expensive , unlike what I have done with Bushnell H20 and Bresser Porros , the combined cost of which was less than a car tankful of diesel , I simply could not bring myself to positively recommend this 20 x 90 model to anyone else .
Kind Regards Kenny
-------------------- If everyone is thinking the same thing , no-one is thinking - General George S.Patton
Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera
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JonoW
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Hi Stan/Mike/Kenny and other readers to this thread.Just to clarify a few things.
In my first posting,"Introduction and history to date" when I joined the forum on Sunday,I provided details of my newly purchased and "first light" 20x90mm Strathspey binos,I did previously own a pair of Helios 15x70 amongst others, however its only the 15x70mm bins that are pictured on my "old and discontinued" website, I owned them during a time when I was into sketching but via a 10" scope in a big way. Unfortunately I am no longer with that broadband provider so can no longer update the site but they agreed not to close it as ~I still have an email account with them via Yahoo.
Mike - Regarding the purchase of 25x100, I dont think it will be something I'll be doing in a hurry, as you rightly say what more extra detail would you see with them visually.At the time of purchase i was more than happy to forego the extra 10mm for a big saving. Originally I was curious ref the Zhumells as they can accept 1.25" filters. The next step up in binocular aperture for me, should there ever be one, would be at least 28x110mm that I've spotted on a UK website,these are badged by Helios and I believe named "Apollo".There is also a 20x110mm version. Binocular "aperture fever" setting in I think. Kenny shame about your 20x90mm Straths, I would be interested to hear what the problem was.
Anyone wishing to start off a thread on 110mm bins feel free.
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Carl Zeiss Jena "Jenoptem" 10x50mm W ('88 model)
Pentax 12x50PCF (year n/k)
Strathspey Giant 20x90mm ('08 model)
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EdZ
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Could I just add a few reminders here.
Please let's not start labeling people. Talk about binoculars, not about people.
I appreciate those who provided first hand experiences here.
Stick to the facts. My advice is let those who DO have first hand experiences answer the thread. If you don't have a first hand knowledge of the product then for all you know you could be perpetrating internet myth. If you want, save your opinion and point to factual comments.
edz
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lowmal
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That's correct , Mike , I do own some 20 x 90s , which bear the Strathspey logo .
I don't know if it's because I'm a snob , but although , after modifications , I enjoy certain aspects of viewing with them , and relatively speaking , considering these ARE 90mm binoculars , they are not at all expensive , unlike what I have done with Bushnell H20 and Bresser Porros , the combined cost of which was less than a car tankful of diesel , I simply could not bring myself to positively recommend this 20 x 90 model to anyone else .
Kind Regards Kenny
I own a pair of Bushnell H20 binos.. They do just fine for my scouting out birds.. I've also owned Garret 30x100 binos, which were outstanding.. Maybe not what is high end around here, but for certain applications and certain funding aspects, they fit a nice niche..
Many people use "cheap" stuff everyday and will swear by it.. An Orion reflector is't exactly on par with a Mewlon, but I swear by Orion's products, and respect the company for allowing shleps like me to get into this expensive hobby with quality, sound, affordable gear..
I'm sure a look through a high end pair of binos would be great, but, for what some use them for, it just doesn't justify the cost, especialy if they are satisfied with what they already have..
I think that was the jist of Loyyd's comments, and, frankly, I agree with his assessment..
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KennyJ
   
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Just to clarify a few points here .
In the past , I have RECOMMENDED both the Bresser 10 x 50 and Bushnell 8 x 42 H2O Porro to people looking for inexpensive hand - held binoculars , and stick by that advice .
That is why I mentioned them in my above post , precisely in that context , in CONTRAST to my NOT particularly recommending the 20 x 90 so I can only assume that Lowmal missed my point .
I've repeated several times on this forum that for over 30 years , I got by with single - coated 10 x 50s with barely a 5 degree TFOV and next to no eye - relief , and a self - converted 30 x 50 " toy refractor " using eyepieces from a junkyard 10 x 50 binocular .
These are neither the words nor actions of a SNOB whichever definition anyone wishes to choose .
I have not said a lot to this forum about my 20 x 90s , and I have also said very little about the Helios 15 x 70 I've had for many years .
That is because even when I conclude that a model is not what is was cracked up to be according to other , sometimes very experienced users , I am always reluctant to be the bringer of bad news , or open myself up to being mistaken for trying to " bash " any particular manufacturer or model .
A few weeks ago , for very good reasons , I had to send straight back a binocular that would have cost three times as much as the 20 x 90 , which I've seen recommended by several owners , but I refrained from passing comment about at all , as it was clearly both a bad sample and had been damaged in transit .
I did not wish to give that product a bad name just because of those possibilities , but declined the offer of a replacement , as I'd seen enough in the first one to realise it wasn't worth the money IN MY OPINION .
Is it snobbery to assert that an item is not worth the money being asked for it ?
A couple of years ago , I could have written volumes about the weakenesses of a couple of models which I've seen highly praised by others on this forum , but kept my mouth shut about that , too .
Frankly , I wouldn't pay for the delivery only of some of them , let alone pay for the products .
Just to inform Jonow , since he specifically asked about my 20 x 90 , for a start there are glaring reflections from the inside of the chrome coloured ring which attaches the objective cells to the barrels -- poor or complete absence of proper baffling .
The level of CA seen at full aperture in the daytime is alarming -- even worse than with the Helios 15 x 70 -- but I said I'd keep quiet about those , didn't I ? :-)
The 20 x 90s are NOT collimated -- they are conditionally aligned -- for someone with an IPD about 4mm narrower than my own .
The large , chrome - plated knurled thumbscrew that is supposed to tighten onto the central chrome support bar , was cross - threaded upon arrival .
It may as well be removed for what use it is .
The coatings on the objective lenses do not appear to be evenly applied , or particularly effective .
I can recognise my face through the eyepiece reflections .
The exit - pupils are not perfectly round , nor are they a full 4.5mm , as they ought to be .
Yes , I should have sent them back , like I should have sent back the £90 astro eyepiece adaptor from Zeiss , that took 8 months to arrive , and doesn't even do properly what it says it does on the tin -- but I didn't .
Last year , I had an item arrive from another " very expensive brand " manufacturer , which had either clearly not been inspected by anyone before leaving the factory , or was defective -- but no sooner had I so little as hinted at my disappointment on a relevant forum , in a relevant thread , than my post was deleted for " vendor bashing ".
I have written glowing reviews about binoculars which are priced well within the " mid price " range , making a point in one instance of praising the product as being superior in some ways to the only Zeiss binocular I own , which in spirit I'd been waiting more than 35 years to be able to afford to buy .
What can a man do ?
Kind Regards Kenny
-------------------- If everyone is thinking the same thing , no-one is thinking - General George S.Patton
Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera
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Protheus
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but I refrained from passing comment about at all , as it was clearly both a bad sample and had been damaged in transit .
Wow Kenny. Some guys have all the luck. It wasn't toxic and chemically unstable, too, was it? 
Chris
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JonoW
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Kenny That is really bad news on what you received from Strathspey on the 20x90's. Not to mention some of the other eqpt you've received in the past. How long ago did you buy the 20x90's, as I can definitely say that for 2008, they must have improved the quality control before shipping,or John the vendor is weeding out the bad ones and returning to manufacturer. Maybe I got lucky.
Its early days with my pair and I'm still waiting for some clear skies and get out with them again and carry out some more viewing/testing.
For now, there certainly appears to be no glaring issues with them like you've just reported.
regards Jon
-------------------- Opticron DBA 8x42mm (roof prism '03 model)
Carl Zeiss Jena "Jenoptem" 10x50mm W ('88 model)
Pentax 12x50PCF (year n/k)
Strathspey Giant 20x90mm ('08 model)
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lowmal
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Just to clarify a few points here .
In the past , I have RECOMMENDED both the Bresser 10 x 50 and Bushnell 8 x 42 H2O Porro to people looking for inexpensive hand - held binoculars , and stick by that advice .
That is why I mentioned them in my above post , precisely in that context , in CONTRAST to my NOT particularly recommending the 20 x 90 so I can only assume that Lowmal missed my point .
Point was missed.. My mistake..
Sorry for any confusion on my part!
Shawn
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hallelujah
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However, I'd only consider getting another Zhumell binocular if there was a liberal return policy.
http://www.zhumell.com/returnpolicy.html Most companies only offer a 10 day or 30 day return policy. Zhumell offers 90 days.
http://www.zhumell.com/warranty.html
Edited by hallelujah (08/19/08 06:43 PM)
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Mike Rapchak
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Loc: Indiana, USA
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Kenny,
Not to deliberately prolong this issue, but: You are hardly what I'd consider to be a "snob". You're intelligent, quite knowledgeable - and passionate - about binos and bino viewing. You often provide detailed, thoughtful commentaries - particularly when it comes to equipment with which you've had first-hand experience. Yet you do it in a way that makes it obvious that your experiences and opinions are exactly that: your experiences and OPINIONS.
Just my 2 cents. 
Mike Rapchak Jr.
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Nick Lloyd
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