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Brooklyn
scholastic sledgehammer
Reged: 07/24/08
Posts: 870
Loc: Central New Jersey
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I had the best night I have had this entire year viewing jupiter, and I felt it was proper to share it so others can hear what I did to maximize the potential of my SCT telescope.
As my clear sky predicted, tonight was immaculate seeing transparency, and 0 cloud cover here in central new jersey. Tonight was perhaps the best seeing I have had the entire summer.
First thing i did was a quick star test, this is something I do every single time i observe in the beginning. I strongly believe that EVERY SCT user should be collimating their scopes every single observing session prior to observing. I haven't been great at collimation for very long but the difference between acceptable collimation and PERFECT collimation means the difference between using your SCT at 80% capacity and 100% capacity. I work extremely hard at making sure that my collimation is as perfect as it can possibly me. When I was a newbie, I foolishly thought that my collimation was fine the way it was even though the diffraction pattern wasn't perfect. Boy how wrong I was. The things I saw tonight confirm everything every single informed person on this website and many others have shared with the community.
Lets get back to how amazing the conditions were tonight. It never really got to me how important seeing conditions are. I guess when you spend a long time in average seeing, the one night when you get above average is really something special. Basically up until tonight for the past 2 months or more I have not seen a CLEAN star point with diffraction pattern. Most times the star itself would have lines running around it, looking like an atom spinning or something. Classically defined bad seeing conditions? Check. Sometimes the fact that the defocused star rings move around so much, its really hard to see if the scope is indeed in perfect collimation.
When a star was defocused during average seeing I would see the edges of the circles flying all over the place. It was very hard to determine if the circular rings in between the central dot and outside ring were concentric. Tonight, i could have sworn I was looking at a still picture.
No exaggeration whatsoever, my defocused star looked like the pictures: http://legault.club.fr/collim.html
Perfect, perfect thin little rings going from the central dot out to the bright outer ring. I felt a super shot of adrenaline. Defocused on Vega, Arcturus and Altair to check collimation I suggest to everyone here to use these 3 stars if you live in the north east, or anywhere in our region of the world. Vega is blue colored and is the brightest, showing more obvious defocused rings and diffraction patterns. Altair, is a lesser blue star showing a good amount of focus as well. Here is where we switch, and sometimes I do Arcturus in between the two blue stars. Arcturus is a red giant, when you defocus it the star ring with central dot and focus rings will be RED instead of blue. This is a great way to check your collimation since you have 3 very low magnitude stars, very bright, and they vary in color so its easier to tell where the dot is. My suggestion for perfect collimation is slowly focus and defocus the star, and look to see where the ring closes up. If your ring closes EXACTLY on top of the central dot, you got it made, and your scope is like mine. However, if your ring closes a little to the right or left or higher or lower than the central dot, you need to do a little adjusting. Follow that principle, and i guarantee your collimation will be dead on.
But wait...that wasn't even why this night was so great!
I got my goto alignment done in under 60 seconds, on my lx90 as usual...and after checking out some DSOs (which looked GREAT without a filter by the way). The dumbbell nebula really did look like a more defined Fuzz instead of a dim fuzz. And the ring nebula? Easy target during such pristine conditions, at 160x or 200x i saw the ring perfectly without a filter...and all this in central new jersey! a RED zone of light pollution. Also, located only under 10 miles from a white zone of light pollution. 
And finally the big shocker of the night! I told the goto to slew to jupiter...what i saw at around 1030pm-1am almost made me fall off my chair.
Here is what i used: Zhummel 12.5mm super plossl (160x on my scope) Baader hyperion 8mm (250x) <---conditions allowed no more than this magnification. Zhummel polarizing filter
Jupiter was more detailed than it was all summer! Forget the fact that it is so low in the sky, that factor alone kill the image resolution; but for once, the yellow blob was not moving around! It was perfectly still.
I saw 6 bands total, but I was in for a real treat. Unaware, I was observing on a night where the Great Red spot was showing, AND one of Jupiter's moons was doing a transit over the planet!!
There was a very very defined, dark black circle on the upper part of jupiter. At the SAME TIME, contained inside the two smaller, lower brown bands (under the large equatorial brown belt) was the yellow colored blob, that so closely resembled the great red spot!! I haven't seen this baby in so long! Ive seen a moon shadow transit, but to see it when conditions are so clear...and to have both GRS and moon shadow on the planet at once...it was just an unbelievable sight. I never thought that my 8" Meade SCT would surprise me in so many ways, years after getting it.
I was wondering though...why does the great red spot look yellow through the telescope? Its color resembles the rest of the planet. I can clearly see the small brown belts surrounding its outer area.
Why does jupiter look a bit different color wise through our telescopes than it does in pictures? In the pics i see that the GRS is red not yellow. All the brown bands were still brown in my telescope. Even the two thin bands that surround the GRS itself were brown. It gave the yellow GRS a brown outline, making it very easy to see.
I cant stress enough how perfect collimation is important to getting everything out of your SCT. Trust me, its not easy when you first start out, and it looks overwhelming but its a lot easier when it snaps together in your mind. SCTs have probably the easiest collimation of all telescopes, i cannot understand why anyone would be afraid to tune them. I don't even have bobs knobs, i actually trust my hands to be steady enough to not drop the allen wrench onto the corrector plate. I have collimated over 20 times now, not a single scratch, drop, or mistake. Its all about focus and concentration, don't let your mind wander.
Everything "Uncle" Rod Mollise <-- awesome guy says in, http://www.cloudynights.com/item.php?item_id=1847 about collimation and peoples fears about it are true. I thought the same thing when I heard SCT owners saying they haven't collimated in years...what about the poor dobsonian and reflector owners?
Don't do a half aced job, if you spend good money on a telescope, might as well get the most out of it. A telescope itself is an instrument and a tool so it must be used and understood fully. Not collimating to perfection is like putting regular 87 octane gas into a Ferrari. Don't do it!
-------------------- Meade 8.25"(209.55mm) LX-90 EMC (SCT)
Albert Einstein =>
“Intellectual growth should commence at birth and cease only at death.”
“If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.”
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boyd
sage
Reged: 11/30/06
Posts: 307
Loc: Florida
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Congrats 
Here is my sky:
http://radar.weather.gov/ridge/radar_lite.php?rid=MLB&product=N0Z&loop=yes
-------------------- XT8
ETX70AT
C80EQ
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setldown
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Reged: 05/07/07
Posts: 94
Loc: N42° 33' - W87° 52'
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boyd
Looks like you have your own Great Red Spot
-------------------- Rick
Celestron 8SE w/ Bob's Knobs
Stellarvue SV-F50B2 9 x 50 RACI
WO 2" Quartz Dielectric Diagonal / WO Binoviewer
Jasper Always GLP
JMI Motofocus - MFNEX6
TV Panoptic 35mm - 27mm - 19mm - 2X Powermate
Nagler 13mm T6 - 9mm T1 - Baader 8x24 Zoom
Canon 450d - Nikon Coolpix 4500 - SPC900nc
Location: Dark Side of the Moon
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tigerroach
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Reged: 08/13/08
Posts: 292
Loc: Houston, TX
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Tonight Io and its shadow will be making a transit of Jupiter. I believe that was the shadow of Callisto you saw last night. (It was too cloudy here for me to observe).
-------------------- Brian
TeleVue TV-102, Gibralter alt-az mount
Webster 14.5" f/4.3 truss dob *under construction*
Canon 10x30 IS binocs
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croaky
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Reged: 03/21/07
Posts: 178
Loc: Bangalore, India
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Wow! Looks like you had an exceptional night
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Everything "Uncle" Rod Mollise <-- awesome guy says in, http://www.cloudynights.com/item.php?item_id=1847 about collimation and peoples fears about it are true. I thought the same thing when I heard SCT owners saying they haven't collimated in years...what about the poor dobsonian and reflector owners? Don't do a half aced job, if you spend good money on a telescope, might as well get the most out of it. A telescope itself is an instrument and a tool so it must be used and understood fully. Not collimating to perfection is like putting regular 87 octane gas into a Ferrari. Don't do it!
Couldn't agree more with you there The softness of image associated with SCT's, is certainly due to collimation being a bit off. At least this is what I noted in my case. Once collimated the images (am talking only visual here) were crisp. I too use the Legault method mentioned by you, it has made a world of difference And it is very easy
-------------------- Pradeep
To truly see, one must close one's eyes.
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BrienSZ
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Reged: 08/11/08
Posts: 26
Loc: NJ
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I was out the last two nights and Jupiter really popped here in NJ (New Brunswick area). I took the opportunity to try and locate DSO's but I think I failed - no matter - it was great learning the sky and becoming more acquainted with it (small steps). I looked at stars in constellations and marvelled at the other finer points I could make out in our 6" dob. The lower east sky was too bright to locate Andromeda as hardly any of the stars in that constellation appeared in the low-ish east, northeast sky. The best views were up in Cygnus where I took in Deneb and tried but I believed failed to locate M39 and NGC 7000. I saw things but I need someone of experience to help pinpoint exactly what I might have been looking at - looking forward to joining an astronomy club in the fall. Tried to see M81/82 but don't think I found it either and tried to find M101 with the same result. Still lots of fun though a guiding hand is going to be needed to help me see differences between stars and galaxies at this time..., no worries or hurry.., small steps.
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Bowmoreman
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Reged: 09/11/06
Posts: 2978
Loc: Bolton, MA
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Yes indeed. Last night WAS special here in MA also... Best Jupiter views ever... full details reported on this thread:
Ethos Planetary EP experience
Here's a stack we did last night also
Clear enough skies
-------------------- Dave
Ustream
YLive
XT10i, RTP, CGE, R200CF, TMB80SS
31T5, 22T4, 13Ethos, 8Ethos, TV 3-6 Zoom; Paracorr
MallincamColorHyperPlus,SBIG STV&237A;CanonRebel Xti
WilderSkiesObservatory(BYO #90)
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Bowmoreman
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Reged: 09/11/06
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Loc: Bolton, MA
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The transit occurred after we had done the imaging... we're were 100% visual at that point...
Mind bending conditions (at least for us here in MA): 272X Visual and great details, clarity, etc...
And tonight just might shape up as good!
clear enough skies
-------------------- Dave
Ustream
YLive
XT10i, RTP, CGE, R200CF, TMB80SS
31T5, 22T4, 13Ethos, 8Ethos, TV 3-6 Zoom; Paracorr
MallincamColorHyperPlus,SBIG STV&237A;CanonRebel Xti
WilderSkiesObservatory(BYO #90)
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Brooklyn
scholastic sledgehammer
Reged: 07/24/08
Posts: 870
Loc: Central New Jersey
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So what i saw last night, thursday night was callisto transiting?
Great to hear im not the only one enjoying last night.
Hey guys...look at my CSC...another clear night tonight! YES!!
Tonight at 4am at my clear sky chart location, i am going to be having 5/5 seeing conditions. I think i might be pulling an all nighter tonight.
-------------------- Meade 8.25"(209.55mm) LX-90 EMC (SCT)
Albert Einstein =>
“Intellectual growth should commence at birth and cease only at death.”
“If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.”
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tigerroach
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Reged: 08/13/08
Posts: 292
Loc: Houston, TX
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Quote:
Hey guys...look at my CSC...another clear night tonight! YES!!
Look at my CSC... it looks like correction tape. 
I'm still hoping for a break in the clouds tonight so I can see the Io transit. NEXT weekend I want to go out to the observatory site for DSOs... these clouds and rain surely will be done with by then...
-------------------- Brian
TeleVue TV-102, Gibralter alt-az mount
Webster 14.5" f/4.3 truss dob *under construction*
Canon 10x30 IS binocs
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maureenford
scholastic sledgehammer
   
Reged: 04/27/05
Posts: 756
Loc: New Paltz, NY
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Last night was one the best views I can remember of Jupiter. It was even possible to discern some subtle color. Callisto transiting was an added treat! Maureen
-------------------- Discovery 12.5" TD on Scopebuggy
with Argo Navis and Feathertouch focuser
27mmPan, 13mm & 8mmEthos, 6mm Radian
Howie Glatter laser and Blug
Coronado PST
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Bill Weir
scholastic sledgehammer
Reged: 06/01/04
Posts: 879
Loc: Metchosin (Victoria), Canada
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t looked something like this didn't it? http://rascvic.zenfolio.com/p566114947/?photo=h29E2A037#991997225
Bill
-------------------- 6'' Orion SkyQuest
12.5'' f/5 Custom Truss Dob
William Optics 80mm ZenithStar II ED Doublet
f/5 25" newtonian on a giant GEM, any time I want
Observing sessions grand total for 2007, 171.
So far in 2008, 108
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Brooklyn
scholastic sledgehammer
Reged: 07/24/08
Posts: 870
Loc: Central New Jersey
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Quote:
t looked something like this didn't it?
http://rascvic.zenfolio.com/p566114947/?photo=h29E2A037#991997225
Bill
YES!! bill that is almost exactly what i saw...except this picture does not show that the band that holds the GRS is actually TWO bands.
This picture isnt showing all 6 bands that i saw last night, and will probably see tonight!
By the way why is the drawing upside down? In my telescope the shadow of the Callista moon transit was in the northern part of the planet, and the GRS was in the south. In that drawing it is flipped upside down.
-------------------- Meade 8.25"(209.55mm) LX-90 EMC (SCT)
Albert Einstein =>
“Intellectual growth should commence at birth and cease only at death.”
“If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.”
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jmcdonald
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Reged: 06/01/05
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Loc: Tucson, AZ
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Last night was my best view of Jupiter ever. I don't think seeing was that great here, but I just recoated and re-spotted my mirror and that has given me the best optical performance of any scope I've ever had (talking about the 12.5" discovery DOB).
S&T said the red spot would transit so I hauled out the scope and was surprised to see the moon transit as well! It was easily visible at 120x as was the red spot. I did most of my viewing at 240x but could've pushed it higher if I had the eyepieces.
At times the view was so detailed I could see plenty of detail in the bands including a white dot in the North Equatorial Belt. The GRS was huge and detailed like I've never seen. Quite a treat!
-------------------- Jerel
Discovery 12.5" modified truss DOB
Orion 100mm f/6 achromat
Garret 15x70 LW Binoculars
22-T4,13-T6
IDA Membership
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J_D_Metzger
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It was the shadow of Callisto, not Callisto itself...looked pretty good from Tucson, although the seeing wasn't perfect. Perfect seeing doesn't seem to happen as often as it used to.
-------------------- Clear skies,
J.D.
32°15'16.96"N 110°47'39.24"W
Celestron C6, TeleVue TV-76, C9.25 on the way
Vixen Sphinx SXD, iOptron MiniTower
TeleVue Naglers, TeleVue Panoptics
Canon 10x30 IS Binoculars
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Brooklyn
scholastic sledgehammer
Reged: 07/24/08
Posts: 870
Loc: Central New Jersey
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Quote:
It was the shadow of Callisto, not Callisto itself...looked pretty good from Tucson, although the seeing wasn't perfect. Perfect seeing doesn't seem to happen as often as it used to.
Of course its the shadow. The dark dot can only be seen on jupiter itself, and it appears as an absence of light. This of course means its a shadow. 
The moons themselves look like bright dots, but they do not flicker like stars do. Also they are yellow in color, like the suns reflection, not blue or deep red like stars are. Also the "dots" that are visible around jupiter do not have diffraction patterns like stars, and they are a larger dot size than a star.
I think even an untrained eye can tell that the black dot is indeed a shadow, it is a stark contrast to the rest of the color of the planet.
Someone said that tonight another moon is going to transit? SWEET! im getting out there in about 1 hour. Hope its another great night! seeing is 4/5 and 5/5 at 4am!!
-------------------- Meade 8.25"(209.55mm) LX-90 EMC (SCT)
Albert Einstein =>
“Intellectual growth should commence at birth and cease only at death.”
“If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.”
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TexBiker
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Reged: 12/18/07
Posts: 130
Loc: North Texas
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By the way why is the drawing upside down? In my telescope the shadow of the Callista moon transit was in the northern part of the planet, and the GRS was in the south. In that drawing it is flipped upside down.
If you're using a 90 degree diagonal, your image will be inverted.
-------------------- Michael
Dallas, TX
Orion 127mm Mak-Cass
Orion 10" Dob
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Brooklyn
scholastic sledgehammer
Reged: 07/24/08
Posts: 870
Loc: Central New Jersey
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By the way why is the drawing upside down? In my telescope the shadow of the Callista moon transit was in the northern part of the planet, and the GRS was in the south. In that drawing it is flipped upside down.
If you're using a 90 degree diagonal, your image will be inverted.
Ahh thats right! didn't think of that. But wait...i use a standard meade prism 90 degree diagonal too...the only way the image is inverted is left to right, but it is the proper way up and down.
Only left and right get switched in a 90 degree diagonal, not up and down.
-------------------- Meade 8.25"(209.55mm) LX-90 EMC (SCT)
Albert Einstein =>
“Intellectual growth should commence at birth and cease only at death.”
“If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.”
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Bubbinski
scholastic sledgehammer
Reged: 06/18/05
Posts: 850
Loc: 40.56 N 111.96 W - Utah
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Congratulations, it sounds like you had an excellent night. Last night Jupiter was clouded out but tonight I saw it and saw 9 belts along with a shadow of one of the moons. Very cool sight.
I've seen the Great Red Spot a number of times; if you stare at it long enough it will pop out as orangish. It took me a lot of practice before I could reliably see it.
Justin
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Orion Skyquest XT 4.5, 90 mm Mak, ST 80, 11x56 Garrett Geminis
5/6/9/10/12.5/15/17/20/25/30/32 mm EP's (TMB, Highlight, Expanse, Sirius, Paul Rini), 2x Shorty Plus, 3x Tri-Mag barlows
106 Messiers Observed Since Spring 2005
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TexBiker
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Reged: 12/18/07
Posts: 130
Loc: North Texas
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Only left and right get switched in a 90 degree diagonal, not up and down.
Refractor and Cassegrain telescopes will produce an inverted image when used without a star diagonal. When a star diagonal is used the image will be corrected right side up, but left and right are reversed like a mirror image.
The image you're seeing is erect, but mirrored. The image you're comparing to above is inverted because it was viewed through a newtonian dob.
-------------------- Michael
Dallas, TX
Orion 127mm Mak-Cass
Orion 10" Dob
Edited by TexBiker (08/23/08 10:06 AM)
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