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Brooklyn
scholastic sledgehammer
Reged: 07/24/08
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I am reposting this from beginner forums. I think our fellow SCT users can benefit from it.
I had the best night I have had this entire year viewing jupiter, and I felt it was proper to share it so others can hear what I did to maximize the potential of my SCT telescope.
As my clear sky predicted, tonight was immaculate seeing transparency, and 0 cloud cover here in central new jersey. Tonight was perhaps the best seeing I have had the entire summer.
First thing i did was a quick star test, this is something I do every single time i observe in the beginning. I strongly believe that EVERY SCT user should be collimating their scopes every single observing session prior to observing. I haven't been great at collimation for very long but the difference between acceptable collimation and PERFECT collimation means the difference between using your SCT at 80% capacity and 100% capacity. I work extremely hard at making sure that my collimation is as perfect as it can possibly me. When I was a newbie, I foolishly thought that my collimation was fine the way it was even though the diffraction pattern wasn't perfect. Boy how wrong I was. The things I saw tonight confirm everything every single informed person on this website and many others have shared with the community.
Lets get back to how amazing the conditions were tonight. It never really got to me how important seeing conditions are. I guess when you spend a long time in average seeing, the one night when you get above average is really something special. Basically up until tonight for the past 2 months or more I have not seen a CLEAN star point with diffraction pattern. Most times the star itself would have lines running around it, looking like an atom spinning or something. Classically defined bad seeing conditions? Check. Sometimes the fact that the defocused star rings move around so much, its really hard to see if the scope is indeed in perfect collimation.
When a star was defocused during average seeing I would see the edges of the circles flying all over the place. It was very hard to determine if the circular rings in between the central dot and outside ring were concentric. Tonight, i could have sworn I was looking at a still picture.
No exaggeration whatsoever, my defocused star looked like the pictures:
http://legault.club.fr/collim.html
Perfect, perfect thin little rings going from the central dot out to the bright outer ring. I felt a super shot of adrenaline. Defocused on Vega, Arcturus and Altair to check collimation I suggest to everyone here to use these 3 stars if you live in the north east, or anywhere in our region of the world. Vega is blue colored and is the brightest, showing more obvious defocused rings and diffraction patterns. Altair, is a lesser blue star showing a good amount of focus as well. Here is where we switch, and sometimes I do Arcturus in between the two blue stars. Arcturus is a red giant, when you defocus it the star ring with central dot and focus rings will be RED instead of blue. This is a great way to check your collimation since you have 3 very low magnitude stars, very bright, and they vary in color so its easier to tell where the dot is. My suggestion for perfect collimation is slowly focus and defocus the star, and look to see where the ring closes up. If your ring closes EXACTLY on top of the central dot, you got it made, and your scope is like mine. However, if your ring closes a little to the right or left or higher or lower than the central dot, you need to do a little adjusting. Follow that principle, and i guarantee your collimation will be dead on.
But wait...that wasn't even why this night was so great!
I got my goto alignment done in under 60 seconds, on my lx90 as usual...and after checking out some DSOs (which looked GREAT without a filter by the way). The dumbbell nebula really did look like a more defined Fuzz instead of a dim fuzz. And the ring nebula? Easy target during such pristine conditions, at 160x or 200x i saw the ring perfectly without a filter...and all this in central new jersey! a RED zone of light pollution. Also, located only under 10 miles from a white zone of light pollution.
And finally the big shocker of the night! I told the goto to slew to jupiter...what i saw at around 1030pm-1am almost made me fall off my chair.
Here is what i used:
Zhummel 12.5mm super plossl (160x on my scope)
Baader hyperion 8mm (250x) <---conditions allowed no more than this magnification.
Zhummel polarizing filter
Jupiter was more detailed than it was all summer! Forget the fact that it is so low in the sky, that factor alone kill the image resolution; but for once, the yellow blob was not moving around! It was perfectly still.
I saw 6 bands total, but I was in for a real treat. Unaware, I was observing on a night where the Great Red spot was showing, AND one of Jupiter's moons was doing a transit over the planet!!
There was a very very defined, dark black circle on the upper part of jupiter. At the SAME TIME, contained inside the two smaller, lower brown bands (under the large equatorial brown belt) was the yellow colored blob, that so closely resembled the great red spot!! I haven't seen this baby in so long! Ive seen a moon shadow transit, but to see it when conditions are so clear...and to have both GRS and moon shadow on the planet at once...it was just an unbelievable sight. I never thought that my 8" Meade SCT would surprise me in so many ways, years after getting it.
I was wondering though...why does the great red spot look yellow through the telescope? Its color resembles the rest of the planet. I can clearly see the small brown belts surrounding its outer area.
Why does jupiter look a bit different color wise through our telescopes than it does in pictures? In the pics i see that the GRS is red not yellow. All the brown bands were still brown in my telescope. Even the two thin bands that surround the GRS itself were brown. It gave the yellow GRS a brown outline, making it very easy to see.
I cant stress enough how perfect collimation is important to getting everything out of your SCT. Trust me, its not easy when you first start out, and it looks overwhelming but its a lot easier when it snaps together in your mind. SCTs have probably the easiest collimation of all telescopes, i cannot understand why anyone would be afraid to tune them. I don't even have bobs knobs, i actually trust my hands to be steady enough to not drop the allen wrench onto the corrector plate. I have collimated over 20 times now, not a single scratch, drop, or mistake. Its all about focus and concentration, don't let your mind wander.
Everything "Uncle" Rod Mollise <-- awesome guy says in,
http://www.cloudynights.com/item.php?item_id=1847
about collimation and peoples fears about it are true. I thought the same thing when I heard SCT owners saying they haven't collimated in years...what about the poor dobsonian and reflector owners?
Don't do a half aced job, if you spend good money on a telescope, might as well get the most out of it. A telescope itself is an instrument and a tool so it must be used and understood fully. Not collimating to perfection is like putting regular 87 octane gas into a Ferrari. Don't do it!
-------------------- Meade 8.25"(209.55mm) LX-90 EMC (SCT)
Albert Einstein =>
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“If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.”
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Luigi
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Although I might quibble about the octane analogy, I agree that collimation is easy, fast, and makes a big difference. Now add a fan and vent to the OTA and your SCT will finally start performing up to its capability.
-------------------- 17.5" f/5 Discovery Truss
IM715 7" f/15 MCT, Eon-120ED refractor
CG5A coffee grinder, Orion Skyview Alt-AZ
35,19,15 Pans.9 Nag. Meade 24.5 4kSWA, 4.7 5kUWA.
BO-TMB 7mm planetary.
Zeiss Diascope 85
Zeiss, Leica, Canon IS, Fujinon, Nikon binos
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Brooklyn
scholastic sledgehammer
Reged: 07/24/08
Posts: 870
Loc: Central New Jersey
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Although I might quibble about the octane analogy, I agree that collimation is easy, fast, and makes a big difference. Now add a fan and vent to the OTA and your SCT will finally start performing up to its capability.
You know...cooldown was never an issue for me...not yet anyways. I just leave the scope out there with dust caps on for 30 minutes before i observe.
-------------------- Meade 8.25"(209.55mm) LX-90 EMC (SCT)
Albert Einstein =>
“Intellectual growth should commence at birth and cease only at death.”
“If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.”
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hudson_yak
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Reged: 11/15/07
Posts: 442
Loc: Hyde Park, NY, USA
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Yes, last night was the best night in this region all summer, I think. Hoped for a repeat tonight but not quite as good.
The GRS has been the slightly-less-GTS in recent years.
S&T says last night's shadow transit was from Callisto. There's one just finished up now, too, which was from Io.
As to SCT collimation, if you are tweaking it that often I have to wonder why. I've never found it to be nearly as easy to do as many here claim. Oh, it's easy to get close, but the final in-focus tweaking is mostly a fudge.
Mike
-------------------- Meade 8" LX10
Orion ED100 + SVP
Meade 12" LightBridge
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Brooklyn
scholastic sledgehammer
Reged: 07/24/08
Posts: 870
Loc: Central New Jersey
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I agree 100% hudson, tonight kind of sucked honestly. I am going to bring my telescope back inside in like another 30 minutes, im still checking out the ring and dumbell nebulas with a few UHC filters.
Not even close to being as good as Thursday the 21st of august, night. Not even close. Jupiter didn't look as clear tonight, so i think the 4/5 or 5/5 seeing prediction was a little off. Either that or the average transparency had something to do with it. Still clear sky chart, and the weather forecasts...two tools no star gazer should ever be without.
I am glad to see that my little years of experience in this hobby have really given a good eye when it comes to knowing whats perfect seeing and what sucks. Experience really does make all the difference. If you add experience to a person who learns very fast, has a large amount of motivation to learn and get better, and has a good head on their shoulders, that person will progress in this hobby very quickly i believe.
That is exactly my goal.
-------------------- Meade 8.25"(209.55mm) LX-90 EMC (SCT)
Albert Einstein =>
“Intellectual growth should commence at birth and cease only at death.”
“If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.”
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Brooklyn
scholastic sledgehammer
Reged: 07/24/08
Posts: 870
Loc: Central New Jersey
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As to SCT collimation, if you are tweaking it that often I have to wonder why. I've never found it to be nearly as easy to do as many here claim. Oh, it's easy to get close, but the final in-focus tweaking is mostly a fudge.
Mike
I haven't touched my collimation screws in over a month...
I meant that I check and carefully examine the collimation almost every single observing session, if not all of them.
My collimation on my lx-90 has been dead on perfect (as far as i can see with my 20/20 vision) for about 4 weeks now. I did a little touch up a month ago just to get it perfectly perfectly centered. It was maybe 1/40th of a screw turn off kilter, when i turned that screw it snapped right into the dead center.
My telescopes holds collimation for a very very long time. I collimated just a little little bit 1 month ago, but the time before that was over 6-9 months before that. So, maybe once or twice a year i would say the scope really needs a little collimation. Its probably from moving the scope back and forth in and out of the house, and into the car and whatnot.
-------------------- Meade 8.25"(209.55mm) LX-90 EMC (SCT)
Albert Einstein =>
“Intellectual growth should commence at birth and cease only at death.”
“If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.”
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hudson_yak
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Ok, I misunderstood what you meant by that. I'd like to know what magnification you use for collimation and whether you are doing it in-focus or a little out. In-focus is tough, at least it is for me. Things dance around too much, even on good nights.
Oh, and btw, the size of your scope is 203.2, like all the rest. Don't buy into the Meade oversize-mirror thing, it doesn't really let any more light get through. Many have made this point over the years, including the rather authoritative Telescope Optics book. Meade even calls it a 203 on their website.
Mike
-------------------- Meade 8" LX10
Orion ED100 + SVP
Meade 12" LightBridge
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Luigi
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I do it at high mag(typically 9mm Nag in a C11)and vary focus very slightly in and out through focus. The star blob expands and shrinks symetrically when collimated.
-------------------- 17.5" f/5 Discovery Truss
IM715 7" f/15 MCT, Eon-120ED refractor
CG5A coffee grinder, Orion Skyview Alt-AZ
35,19,15 Pans.9 Nag. Meade 24.5 4kSWA, 4.7 5kUWA.
BO-TMB 7mm planetary.
Zeiss Diascope 85
Zeiss, Leica, Canon IS, Fujinon, Nikon binos
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bcuddihee
scholastic sledgehammer
Reged: 11/04/06
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Loc: Cincinnati Ohio
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I typically use a 12mm ortho for my SCT and then barlow for final correction. I might even then do a final check with a 4mm plossl. I am currently purchasing a 7mm HD Ortho, and combining it with the barlow to push it even a bit farther. I'm a bit of a freak on this however. bc
-------------------- B Cuddihee
On the quest to find the best for the least!
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1968 Jason Empire 60X700mm refractor (my buddy from way back)
Celestron Nexstar8SE(a remarkable 8" grab and go)
Feathertouch Microfocuser
Stellarvue 50mm "Sparrowhawk" finder
Denk bino's with Power x switch
Pair of Smart Astronomy 25mm Sterling Plossls
Pair of Smart Astronomy 19 EF's
Pair of 15 Garrett SWA's
7mm UO HD Orthoscopic
Agena 38 SWA
Agena 26 SWA
Garrett 2" 2x ED Barlow
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Brooklyn
scholastic sledgehammer
Reged: 07/24/08
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Loc: Central New Jersey
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Ok, I misunderstood what you meant by that. I'd like to know what magnification you use for collimation and whether you are doing it in-focus or a little out. In-focus is tough, at least it is for me. Things dance around too much, even on good nights.
Oh, and btw, the size of your scope is 203.2, like all the rest. Don't buy into the Meade oversize-mirror thing, it doesn't really let any more light get through. Many have made this point over the years, including the rather authoritative Telescope Optics book. Meade even calls it a 203 on their website.
Mike
Actually i measured the mirror, it really is 8.25 inches, they weren't lying. We also measured a Celestron 8" and 9.25, they were both as advertised... 8 inch and 9 1/4.
For collimation i use magnifications in this order: 250x 400x 500x <---final collimation
I use three stars for collimation, sometimes four.
1) Altair (blue) 2) Vega (blue) 3) Arcturus (red) 4) Deneb (blue)
These are all very bright stars and very easy to see naked eye. I LOVE arcturus. Make sure you try collimation on this red star, it makes the central dot and the focus rings sometimes more obvious than the blue colored stars.
Use those 4 stars i mentioned, based on my personal experience and noone elses...i have determined them to be the best collimation stars in my sky.
Vega and Altair are mostly in the midway of the sky, arcturus is a little lower closer to the horizon, while deneb is all the way up there almost near zenith. This means that these four stars cover almost ALL levels of possible targets that you are collimating for. This is very important, since sometimes if you collimate on a star too close to the horizon, another star near zenith will appear to show your scope not collimated. That is why i chose these 4 stars in between.
In focus collimation is impossible unless you can actually see a clean diffraction pattern. This is only going to happen on perfect seeing. This ENTIRE summer I only had one, maybe two maximum nights that i actually saw a central dot with rings moving out from it.
The rest of the time the star is a flaring blob. Just make sure that the flaring is going everywhere, not just to one side.
When seeing isnt good, i do very very tight out of focus collimation.
How do i do this? If you focus in on a star EXTREMELY slowly turning the focus knob, you can see exactly where the ring of light closes in on the star. IF and ONLY IF the ring of light closes EXACTLY on the central dot...that means you're collimation is most likely perfect.
If you are going by: http://legault.club.fr/collim.html
I NEVER have to do the first step, that is only intended for really misaligned scopes. Only 2nd step when seeing is bad, or strait to 3rd step if seeing is good.
Getting a perfect collimation of a SCT is so ridiculously easy, i cant believe anyone would be afraid to do it. I guess its all about lack of info. With all the good collimation guides out now, no ones got an excuse to not know how to do it. 
Notice how in an out of focus star, you can still see the focus rings even during bad seeing. This is really all you need to know if you got it collimated good. Like i said before, make sure your central dot is perfectly centered....and confirm this by seeing WHERE the ring of light CLOSES to form the star. IF the ring of light closes NOT directly on top of your central dot, but instead a micro meter or 2 to the left or right, it means you have to collimate like 1 screw turning it 1/30th of a turn or something like that. I suggest you use allen wrenches for these small adjustments or bobs knobs. I personally only use allen wrench because for me its a lot easier to make fine adjustments that way. The allen wrench can be used by plugging in the short end into the screw, and using the long end to turn. Since the long end requires a large circle to do a 360 degree turn, you have a ton of accuracy as to how little you want to turn the screw. I have accomplished 1/40th turns of a screw before as well. When trying to get perfect alignment of the optics, such small movements must be available.
I hope that helps
-------------------- Meade 8.25"(209.55mm) LX-90 EMC (SCT)
Albert Einstein =>
“Intellectual growth should commence at birth and cease only at death.”
“If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.”
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Brooklyn
scholastic sledgehammer
Reged: 07/24/08
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I do it at high mag(typically 9mm Nag in a C11)and vary focus very slightly in and out through focus. The star blob expands and shrinks symetrically when collimated.
Its near impossible to tell if your star is symetric if your seeing conditions are not good.
A better indicator of collimation is determining where the central dot is, whether you have cocentric "focus rings" between the central dot and the outer bright ring. And finally, you must determine WHERE the outer bright ring closes when you focus in to form the star. If the ring closes right on top of the central dot, you're a okay. If it closes somewhere near it, you still need to turn some more screws. Don't just look at co-centricity; the human eye has a really hard time determining what is a perfect circle.
-------------------- Meade 8.25"(209.55mm) LX-90 EMC (SCT)
Albert Einstein =>
“Intellectual growth should commence at birth and cease only at death.”
“If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.”
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bcuddihee
scholastic sledgehammer
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Very nice explanation Brooklyn..hope others will take you up on this necessary but very simple task. bc
-------------------- B Cuddihee
On the quest to find the best for the least!
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1968 Jason Empire 60X700mm refractor (my buddy from way back)
Celestron Nexstar8SE(a remarkable 8" grab and go)
Feathertouch Microfocuser
Stellarvue 50mm "Sparrowhawk" finder
Denk bino's with Power x switch
Pair of Smart Astronomy 25mm Sterling Plossls
Pair of Smart Astronomy 19 EF's
Pair of 15 Garrett SWA's
7mm UO HD Orthoscopic
Agena 38 SWA
Agena 26 SWA
Garrett 2" 2x ED Barlow
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Jason B
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Actually i measured the mirror, it really is 8.25 inches, they weren't lying. We also measured a Celestron 8" and 9.25, they were both as advertised... 8 inch and 9 1/4.
One thing to keep in mind is that while the mirror is oversized, the corrector is not. On the 12 and 16 inch LX200's, the mirrors are both oversized per Meade's specs but the correctors are exactly the diameter listed. My older 8" was the same way. The mirror is oversized to catch all the light that is refracted by the corrector. So, while your mirror is 8.25" give or take, the scope is still funtioning as a 8" (203mm) scope as that is the diameter of the corrector.
Jason
-------------------- Jason
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hudson_yak
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Getting a perfect collimation of a SCT is so ridiculously easy
Well, "perfect" is subject to some interpretation. With things like mirror flop and atmospheric dispersion effects at different altitudes I don't believe it can ever be "perfect". It can certainly be made "good enough".
Yes, the mirror is 8.25, however, as pointed out above, the aperture is 8, and that's what matters. This has been Meade marketing from the get-go, and has been debunked as to its benefits for light-gathering.
Mike
-------------------- Meade 8" LX10
Orion ED100 + SVP
Meade 12" LightBridge
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edl
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Would manufacturing an 8.25" mirror that is mated to an 8" corrector help mask some serious aberrations? Turned-edge, for example?
Best, Ed L.
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Brooklyn
scholastic sledgehammer
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Actually i measured the mirror, it really is 8.25 inches, they weren't lying. We also measured a Celestron 8" and 9.25, they were both as advertised... 8 inch and 9 1/4.
One thing to keep in mind is that while the mirror is oversized, the corrector is not. On the 12 and 16 inch LX200's, the mirrors are both oversized per Meade's specs but the correctors are exactly the diameter listed. My older 8" was the same way. The mirror is oversized to catch all the light that is refracted by the corrector. So, while your mirror is 8.25" give or take, the scope is still funtioning as a 8" (203mm) scope as that is the diameter of the corrector.
Jason
Very true. I said that the mirror really is 8.25" but i never said it makes any difference in terms of of the optical picture. 
I thought of exactly what you said the first time i heard of the oversize mirror advertising. I figured...wait...if the correctors 8" what difference does it make if the mirror is 8.25"?
Thing is i never bothered to ask anyone that questions
-------------------- Meade 8.25"(209.55mm) LX-90 EMC (SCT)
Albert Einstein =>
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“If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.”
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Brooklyn
scholastic sledgehammer
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Getting a perfect collimation of a SCT is so ridiculously easy
Well, "perfect" is subject to some interpretation. With things like mirror flop and atmospheric dispersion effects at different altitudes I don't believe it can ever be "perfect". It can certainly be made "good enough".
Yes, the mirror is 8.25, however, as pointed out above, the aperture is 8, and that's what matters. This has been Meade marketing from the get-go, and has been debunked as to its benefits for light-gathering.
Mike
Actually Hudson, try that little trick i came up with. I figured it out all on my own, honest to god.
No collimation guides that i have read (and i did read ALL of them) said anything about seeing where the ring of light CLOSES to form the star image.
Check this out from the collimation page:
http://legault.club.fr/collim.html
Ok...notice the central dot in the center. All you have to do is make sure your dim in-focus and out-focus rings are perfect circles and not chopped up. Once you confirm the in and out focus rings are circular and not going into each other, you can do the final part.
The "outer ring" that i am speaking of is the outer surface of the defocused star. It is the border between the black sky background and the light ring. You need to make sure this circle closes perfectly over the central dot when you focus on it. Make sure to turn your focus knob VERY VERY VERY slowly so you can see exactly where the ring closes.
Sometimes the ring closes extremely close to the central dot, but not exactly on top of it. If you focus in very quick, you wont see this little detail. That is why its important to take it very slow, and concentrate your hardest on that central area.
Think about it....doing collimation this way is easier than doing it on a focused star. In most seeing conditions you wont see a clean focused star diffraction pattern, but in all but the crappiest seeing...you will ALWAYS see a central dot, and in and out focus rings. These two things are all you really need to watch for.
Get that perfect, and you will never even have to do in focus collimation. IF the ring of light closes perfectly on the central dot, this automatically means your diffraction pattern will be a perfect circle.
Try it out, tell me what you think.
I understand this method might be a bit too complicated for a newbie trying to collimate....but for those of us that are totally expert at collimation, this is just a great and easy shortcut to take instead of doing in focus collimation.
Enjoy, comments?
-------------------- Meade 8.25"(209.55mm) LX-90 EMC (SCT)
Albert Einstein =>
“Intellectual growth should commence at birth and cease only at death.”
“If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.”
Edited by Jason B (08/23/08 11:35 PM)
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hudson_yak
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I've been to that page a number of times over the years. It's a good page, but it does emphasize that you need to do in-focus collimation to really get the error minimized. Certainly, your approach is getting it close enough for the existing seeing conditions, which seldom support in-focus collimation.
Truth be told, I much prefer the view of Jupiter in the other scope listed below, though I guess I shouldn't say that in this forum...
Mike
-------------------- Meade 8" LX10
Orion ED100 + SVP
Meade 12" LightBridge
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Brooklyn
scholastic sledgehammer
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I've been to that page a number of times over the years. It's a good page, but it does emphasize that you need to do in-focus collimation to really get the error minimized. Certainly, your approach is getting it close enough for the existing seeing conditions, which seldom support in-focus collimation.
Truth be told, I much prefer the view of Jupiter in the other scope listed below, though I guess I shouldn't say that in this forum...
Mike
You can say it man, im sure we are all big boys here. 
I have said myself several times that my next telescope will NOT be a SCT, but will be a large aperture dob.
We must all experience as many telescope designs as we can to truly understand this hobby. 
Its not even the stars and galaxies that interest me all that much, its the way optics work that really keeps my brain pumping neurons.
A scientifically inclined person always has a few main interests that really really interest them. To me, my favorites at the moment are optics. The actual way the optics work are more interesting to me than the stars themselves. 
Make no mistake, the objects we see in the night sky are definitely beautiful....but i think there is more complex beauty to be seen on earth...that can ever be seen in space from earth.
It is as if human beings have created appendages that can aid them in increasing their ability to see things with the eye! truly extraordinary
-------------------- Meade 8.25"(209.55mm) LX-90 EMC (SCT)
Albert Einstein =>
“Intellectual growth should commence at birth and cease only at death.”
“If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.”
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amstel78
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Glad you got a good look at Jupiter. I was in Lake George over the Labor Day weekend, and while cloud cover was nil, I don't think seeing was all too great. It probably didn't help either that Jupiter was fairly low over the horizon. Anyway, with my 8" LX200R, I could only make out 2 to 3 bands, and was incredibly difficult getting a pinpoint focus. I had to judge focus on Jupiter's moons.
-------------------- -James
http://jamespaulsarte.com
Meade 8" LX200R
Mallincam Hyper+ Color
Orion ST-80A / iOptron GPS
Orion 100mm f/6 short tube
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