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charen
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'Norwest' 10x42 / W.P. / Bak -4 / FMC new
      #1292468 - 12/08/06 05:53 PM Attachment (42 downloads)

I was lucky to buy the above new pair of binos off my local E. bay site for 'only' US$60 which I think was a bargain.[Esp.in New Zealand].
Had them out last nite, clear bright views with pinpoint stars. I was impressed with the amount of nebulosity visible in M42. F.O.V. is 6.6* FOV. I believe they are nitrogen filled.
Image distortion appears minimal and good to 80% + and they were well collimated. Lens coatings are deep green F.M.C. and reflect minimally. There is some very minor light cut off at '4' and '8' P.M. when viewed at the exit pupils. They have a right 'click' eyepiece adjustments and eyerelief is 'generous' [18mm]with rubber eye covers.
Ergonomics are great with scuplured 'soft' rubber. They weigh 23 Oz.
The only minor complaint is that the focuser is slightly sfiff and there is some minor 'play' when focusing.
'Norwest' I believe are not 'top end' binos but I am pleased with these and will not onsell them.
Would be interested to here from others as reviews on 'Norwest' appear non existent.

Edited by charen (12/08/06 08:07 PM)


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brocknroller
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Re: 'Norwest' 10x42 / W.P. / Bak -4 / FMC new [Re: charen]
      #1293010 - 12/09/06 12:20 AM

Charen,

Thanks for the photo of this unusual, and apparently hard to find above the equator, binocular (makes me wonder why they are not called SouEast :-).

I assume that the NorWest is not p-coated, or do we have a new world record for the least expensive p-coated roof made? They are getting absurdly cheap compared to how much p-coated roofs USED to cost back in ye olde days (10 years ago). Are these made in China?

If they are not p-coated, you might find them less than optimal for stargazing (check bright stars for spiking and CA).

The ergonomics look great. Top roof makers could learn a lesson from this design. The Nikon full-sized LX/LX L has excellent ergonomics for a closed-bridge roof; however, I felt that the designers put the Dromedary hump in the wrong place (near the objectives instead of at the center of the barrel), and there was no "backstop" near the EPs like the 32mm model (sculptured winged strap connectors) to anchor my hands while I twiddled my staggered thumbs underneath the barrels.

Thumb indents may have helped, but they are tricky if not impossible to design for all sized hands.

The shallow part of the hand is in the center of the palm, therefore the bulge/hump/raised bars should be near the center of the barrel and tapered at each end to allow for different size hands. An example of this Shallow Hal Hump design is the 10x50 Swaro SLC (though, at the end of the day, no matter how great the ergonomics, the weight of a 40 oz. roof, is going to feel like a lead weight).

With the NorWest, the Bactrian double humps give the user the flexibility to move his hands up or down the barrel for the best grip. How that would actually work out for my large hands, I'd have try to find out, but it looks good on "paper."

The other nice design point is the half-ball campfering near the front near the EPs, similar to my Nikon SEs. It should allow your index finger in the right position to focus.

Roofs, and particularly slimline roofs, are hard for me to hold, because I have to grip them by pushing inward from the sides rather than supporting them from underneath like a porro. Thus, a bulge, ripple, or raised feature (PENTAX) on the sides of the barrels will help with the grip.

I prefer roofs designs with sculptured "winged" strap connectors near the EPs such as the 32mm LXs and 42mm Stokes Broadwings. Provides a much needed "anchor" for my hands and also prevents the connector from digging into the flesh between my thumb and forefinger. Ouch!

What I would like to see is a roof that is THICKER on the outside of the barrels than on the inside to extend the width for larger hands. Smaller handed folks can stick to the plethora of slimline roofs.

Yes, that's right, I'm suggesting that like hands, bins should come in more than one SIZE. Of course, this would add expense, just as it does when I buy from the Big and Tall catalogues.

But if the designer was clever, he/she could make an optional prosthesis that attaches to the side of the barrel to accomodate different size hands and with a adjustable "hump" that could be moved up or down the barrel to achieve the best balance. Considering that low-mid-priced Chinese roofs almost all look alike, these extensions may work for a variety of brands.

What a great idea. Darn! The patent office is closed on the weekend. I will call them on Monday.

Here's a view of the NorWest 10x42 from the front where you can see the built-in compass (click on second photo): NorWest 10x42

Btw, are these the ones you bought? I see they didn't sell the first time around.

The only thing left to ask you is when you look at Orion, is Betleguese redder from Orion standing on his head? :-)

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charen
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Re: 'Norwest' 10x42 / W.P. / Bak -4 / FMC new [Re: brocknroller]
      #1293130 - 12/09/06 02:35 AM

Thanks for the reply. I do not believe they are Phase coated - I cannot be positive however as have no real info on them. [Is there a quick way to tell ?].
I was impressed however with the pin point images and I did view Sirius and Canopus last night and I did not see any obvious spiking or CA.
The views re. star count were 'similar' to my 10x50 BAK-4 / M.C. binos. [Showing the benefit of F.M.C. or Phase coatings ?].
They are Chinese sourced.
I find them 'comfortable' to hold as I have 'average' size hands [5'10"]. Yes they where the ones I did aqcuire from that NZ web site. [Good detective work!].
I think they went at a 'inexpensive' price as most poeple may have thought they were just a 'cheap entry Chines bino' with a gimicky compass [which it is a bit - although it does work ].
I do remain impressed with these 'inexpensive' binos.
In N.Z. we call Orion 'The Pot' as when seen 'upside down' the belt forms the base and the Sword forms a handle.
I think Betleguese it is the same red however !

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80mm Cat.
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SV NH 80mm / EQ3
Meade 8in.LX90
Skywatcher Equinox ED120 / Goto HEQ5.


Edited by charen (12/09/06 01:58 PM)


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Re: 'Norwest' 10x42 / W.P. / Bak -4 / FMC new [Re: charen]
      #1294992 - 12/10/06 11:56 AM

< I do not believe they are Phase coated - I cannot be positive however as have no real info on them. [Is there a quick way to tell ?]. >

Charen ,

I have read of one simple way , suggested by wild - life biologist and Hunting Optics writer John Barsness , in his book OPTICS FOR THE HUNTER .

It requires obtaining two polarising filters , the easiest way of which is to buy a pair of the type of cheap sunglasses designed to clip over regular eyeglasses .

The trick is to remove the tinted lenses from the frame , and either hold or clip one of them in front of one of the eyepieces of the binoculars , then hold the other one in front of the objective lens on the same barrel ( side ) of the binocular .

In daylight , hold the binocular so it is facing towards a window , and whilst looking through that side of the binocular , TWIST the tinted lens which you are holding in front of the objective lens , back and forth through 90 degrees .

IF the binoculars ARE phase - coated , the view will simply become slightly brighter or slightly dimmer as you turn the lens .

If it is NOT phase - coated , HALF of the image will become dim and the other half bright as you turn the lens , as obviously as if the moon were half in shadow and half in sunlight .

This happens because in PHASE - COATED binoculars , light rays are aligned in the same direction , but in NON - phase - coated binoculars , the rays are slightly out of alignment .

Regards , Kenny

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Helios 15 x 70 Observation
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russty55
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Re: 'Norwest' 10x42 / W.P. / Bak -4 / FMC [Re: KennyJ]
      #2598201 - 08/23/08 09:46 AM Attachment (5 downloads)

I know this is an old post but I only just stumbled across it.
- Some years ago I worked in a retail outlet specialising in hunting equipment and stocking optical (telescopic) sights and binoculars. We carried a range of product from (relatively) low end (Tasco, Bushnell etc) to high end brands (Swarovski, Leica, Zeiss (West), Minox, Steiner).
'NorWest' was a brand marketed by Southern Extreme Ltd. (a division of Ian R Little Ltd. NZ agent for Pentax and Steiner)
They imported a number of 'NorWest' branded binoculars including the ones Charen has pictured above. They also imported another 'NorWest' branded binocular but these were made in Japan. 10x42 roof prism, water proof and fully multicoated. Also 'popup' ocular shields and a click-stopped adjustable right-hand ocular. They have very good eye relief,(I have not measured it) and weigh 685 grams (24 oz.)
Images are bright and very sharp, subjectively they appeared to be sharper than a pair of 10x42 Steiners compared with although the Steiner's had a wider field of view. Brightness was on a par. Prices from memory were around $600.00 retail, certainly competitive given their performance. Although very well made and excellent performers they did not sell well (I guess the 'cheap' brand association, hunters are brand conscious - male jewellery!) and the importer dropped them from their line. I purchased a pair and to this day do not regret my purchase. The branding appears to be unique to N.Z. 'though I stand to be corrected on this. For N.Z'rs, check your local hunting shops to see if they have old stock of these, you might pick up a bargain!

Edited by russty55 (08/23/08 09:58 AM)


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