Jeff B
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Rob:
Yup. That's an old Cave Observatory mount too. They are beasts! Cave did indeed make a bigger mount with 4" solid shafts for their 18" and larger, permanently mounted instruments. Oddly, I never see them for sale or any pictures of them. Ours are almost as rare as well. Enjoy the project!
Jeff
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Jeff B
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Clint:
What a great mount restoration! The combo must be very effective and stable.
Jeff
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rwiederrich
Goldfinger
   
Reged: 11/17/05
Posts: 6032
Loc: Bremerton Washington
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Rob:
Yup. That's an old Cave Observatory mount too. They are beasts! Cave did indeed make a bigger mount with 4" solid shafts for their 18" and larger, permanently mounted instruments. Oddly, I never see them for sale or any pictures of them. Ours are almost as rare as well. Enjoy the project!
Jeff
Jeff...I plan on doing as you did with your Cave.
I am going to place it on a steal pier(like yours), sitting on a cement base(like yours),....In a brand spankin new roll off OB(like yours. It will sit right in the middle of my Observing Center(GOMOC) as a showpiece. The scope, I am also building and the parts list is being formed and parts being built. It will be a 10"f/16. I will build the focuser as well. It is a great project and will proceed fully when I am finished with my current 18"f/6 lattice newt on its fork mount.
I wasn't shure about building the whole 10"f/16 thing...but since aquiring the Cave mount....half of the project is behind me. I put it on hold since I had no prospect of getting a mount to support that beast of a telescope.
Now that that is done.... I can now begin. 
Rob(too many scope projects)
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Jeff B
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Hey Rob, great minds think a like. I sized my observatory, mount and pier height to handle a Brandt 10" F16.6...straight thru(!!). You're gonna need an 8'ladder.
I assume you mean a 10" F16 refractor and not a whimpy, girly-man, completely boring cass of some kind.
Jeff
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rwiederrich
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Hey Rob, great minds think a like. I sized my observatory, mount and pier height to handle a Brandt 10" F16.6...straight thru(!!). You're gonna need an 8'ladder.
I assume you mean a 10" F16 refractor and not a whimpy, girly-man, completely boring cass of some kind.
Jeff
OH No Jeff.....a killer manly 10"f/16 refractor.
What are the dimensions of your OB. I was thinking of around 16x16. Long enough to house the 13" of refractor, tall enough to cover it with room to spare, and wide enough to allow free movement to view all aspects of the night sky.
I have a lead on a 11"x13ft stainless steal tube. I will machine the end plate for the focuser, which I am also making and a cell adaptor. I was hoping not to go to a 12" tube if I can help it. I will make the seal pier in the shop as well.
I am working on it while I am working on the 18" lattice tube newt. When things slow on one project...I can slide over to the other...... 
Rob
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Jeff B
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What are the dimensions of your OB. I was thinking of around 16x16. Long enough to house the 13" of refractor, tall enough to cover it with room to spare, and wide enough to allow free movement to view all aspects of the night sky.
Rob:
Been there, done that and you're on the right track. I found for a big scope, like the one you're planning, I needed to design and build the observatory around the completed and balanced instrument in its "parked" position instead of erecting the building and then trying to stuff the instrument inside. Knowing the instruments installed configuration how much room behind the eyepiece you'll need and how it's parked when not in use will give you the minimum outside envelope around the instrument.
This, of course, means you need to carefully design the instrument first. For example, I wanted to have the eyepiece no less than 2.5' off the ground when pointed at zenith for a 10" F16.6 instrument. Howe-v-e-r, if I put the instrument balance point midway along the tube, that would have forced the mount to be perched almost 10' above the floor. Then with the scope parked horizontal on its side, the slope of the roof and it's lower truss members had to clear the instrument with a generous amount of room. Well, when I did the math and sketches, I would have needed to use 10' 2 x 4's instead of the standard 8' for the walls. That lead me to bias the design of tube forward by 16" so I could lower the top of the mount. That, of couse, dictated how high to make the concrete footer for the steel pier as well as the pinch point of the dew shield from the north wall....And so on.
When all the shouting, chair throwing, broken pencil tips and paper wadding had passed and settled, it turned out that 16' x 16' on the INSIDE could accommodate the instrument, with enough room to swing the scope around, roll the roof off without clobbering the finders and still use 8' studs for the walls. A lot of fun actually and with the 8" F12, I've a ton of room. I'm currently plotting and scheming (along with the usual "ing's"....begging, groveling, sniveling and pleading....with the S.O as well) for a 10" F15.
Jeff
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rwiederrich
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Quote:
What are the dimensions of your OB. I was thinking of around 16x16. Long enough to house the 13" of refractor, tall enough to cover it with room to spare, and wide enough to allow free movement to view all aspects of the night sky.
Rob:
Been there, done that and you're on the right track. I found for a big scope, like the one you're planning, I needed to design and build the observatory around the completed and balanced instrument in its "parked" position instead of erecting the building and then trying to stuff the instrument inside. Knowing the instruments installed configuration how much room behind the eyepiece you'll need and how it's parked when not in use will give you the minimum outside envelope around the instrument.
This, of course, means you need to carefully design the instrument first. For example, I wanted to have the eyepiece no less than 2.5' off the ground when pointed at zenith for a 10" F16.6 instrument. Howe-v-e-r, if I put the instrument balance point midway along the tube, that would have forced the mount to be perched almost 10' above the floor. Then with the scope parked horizontal on its side, the slope of the roof and it's lower truss members had to clear the instrument with a generous amount of room. Well, when I did the math and sketches, I would have needed to use 10' 2 x 4's instead of the standard 8' for the walls. That lead me to bias the design of tube forward by 16" so I could lower the top of the mount. That, of couse, dictated how high to make the concrete footer for the steel pier as well as the pinch point of the dew shield from the north wall....And so on.
When all the shouting, chair throwing, broken pencil tips and paper wadding had passed and settled, it turned out that 16' x 16' on the INSIDE could accommodate the instrument, with enough room to swing the scope around, roll the roof off without clobbering the finders and still use 8' studs for the walls. A lot of fun actually and with the 8" F12, I've a ton of room. I'm currently plotting and scheming (along with the usual "ing's"....begging, groveling, sniveling and pleading....with the S.O as well) for a 10" F15.
Jeff
Where you gonna get your 10"f/15 objective?
Also...in a similar fashion as the hydraulic pier for my 6"f/15...I was planning on making my own elevating pier for the 10"f/16...instead of hydraulics I was planning on using cables, and a 2.5 ton winch system. Similar to those used on SUV's.
That way I can keep the pier relatively short, and just lift it up to the desired elevation for Zenal viewing.
Rob
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Preston Smith
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Reged: 04/24/05
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Loc: Eureka, Pa
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 Wow!
I just went through this thread for the first time. What an amazing collection of large and small mounts and scopes! Tons of ideas are now floating in my head!
Here's a modest contribution but it is turning out to be an outstanding combination.
A restored (original model) Vixen Polaris coupled with a vintage Tasco 10TE 76/1200mm refractor.
This was a long-awaited solution on how to give this wonderful refractor a right-sized mount that would provide solid performance but still be very portable.
-------------------- Preston Smith, Eureka, Pa
For now we see through a glass, darkly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; but then shall I know, even as also I am known. 1 Corinthians 13:12
Stellarvue SV115T
Stellarvue NHII, SV70, F50 "Sparrow Hawk 1"
1960s Unitron 160 102mm f15
1950s Unitron 114 60mm f15
1980 Edmund "Voyager" 60mm f8
1960s Tasco 15TE 76mm f15
1960s Tasco 7TE-5 60mm f16
1950s Asahi-Pentax 50mm f12
More refractors!
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Preston Smith
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The beauty of this mount is that it is also an outstanding Alt-Az mount. As you can see, ALL of the controls are right there in front of you when using it in this configuration - SWEET!
I can even take the weight off of the mount when using it in this configuration!
The legs are from the 1960s. I know I have seen them on some old Edmund mounts. But they are very solid. I'll be making a center triangle for them in the next few weeks.
-------------------- Preston Smith, Eureka, Pa
For now we see through a glass, darkly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; but then shall I know, even as also I am known. 1 Corinthians 13:12
Stellarvue SV115T
Stellarvue NHII, SV70, F50 "Sparrow Hawk 1"
1960s Unitron 160 102mm f15
1950s Unitron 114 60mm f15
1980 Edmund "Voyager" 60mm f8
1960s Tasco 15TE 76mm f15
1960s Tasco 7TE-5 60mm f16
1950s Asahi-Pentax 50mm f12
More refractors!
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gavbray
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Reged: 12/31/06
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Loc: Gold Coast, Australia
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Here's a photo of my Astro-Physics 1200GTO. Needless to say I love this mount! It sits on a custom made steel pier that's bolted to over a cubic meter of reinforced concrete.
Gavin
-------------------- 14" LX200R + SV90T + AP1200GTO
31mm, 22mm, 17mm Naglers, 13mm Ethos, 10mm Pentax XW, 2X Powermate, AP MaxBright
Mallincam Hyper Plus Color, DFG/1394 video converter, Optec 0.33 & 0.7 FRs
IDAS LPS, DGM NPB & OIII, Lumicon Deep Sky
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Homa
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Reged: 06/21/08
Posts: 73
Loc: Germany,by Hamburg
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Hi, this is my second homemade mount with friendly help from a hobby astronomers and mechanikers cost ~ 1500 € most in steel, something in alu axis diameter 2,1 ",worm gear 6"Modul 1,5;building time 2 years
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Homa
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Loc: Germany,by Hamburg
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Hi, here something greater
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Lusty
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Reged: 08/24/08
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Loc: Florida USA
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Just a few of my in use mounts:
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Lusty
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Forgot this one!
Edited by Lusty (09/20/08 11:16 AM)
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CHASLX200
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What size Newt is that? I love 10 to 14" F/6 or slower Newts.
Chas
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Lusty
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That's my old 12.5" f/7. When I built it in 1979, age 39, I could carry the tube around with the single handle on the side. Now, well I a lucky to lift the handle!
The 6" f/4 and 16" f/7 in the previous post are still in use as well. My observing site: http://www.dustymars.net/IsoObservatory.htm Kind of goofy I know. Bear cage and all
Edited by Lusty (09/20/08 12:03 PM)
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Homa
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Hi,Lusty Can you tell anything about your mount ? please some sharp pictures  Regards Marc here seconds detail picture
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Homa
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Hi, i am only the constructor and designer a hobby astronomer and mechanicer had worked by my brain. i am was happyning to found him  now i have found a new mechanicer(he can work very great things of a big lathe ) near by my home-he maked the biggest mount(steel axis 3,2"-Rect.axis lenght 24" )
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Lusty
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Reged: 08/24/08
Posts: 193
Loc: Florida USA
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The wedge is made from 1/2-inch boilerplate steel with adjustment mechanisms for up to 15 degrees in both polar and azimuth directions. Most everything just welded in place. This mount features 3.125-inch steel shaft diameters with three bearings per axis. End bearings Timken tapered bearings and center regular ball bearing. We found a cache of bearings and stuff at local airport savage yard. The axis cases are 5” water pipe machined to fit bearings and an outside steel case to bolt the RA axis to the pier wedge. RA gear is Mathis 10-inch and Dec gear is an old Byers 10-inch. Setting circles home made from aluminum disks and old stick-on aluminum marks. Very expensive Hurst CA AC motors! They are a rare find these days. Additional stuff is some old gearing from the old days.
My wife still yells at me for boiling up lead on her stove, so I had to use charcoal grill to finish melting the lead and used Don Parker method of Angel food cake pans for counterweight mold, holes fit shafts nicely. Must be 75 pounds or more of weight. The pier is a piece of thick 6” water pipe welded to a 1955 Chevy flywheel for a base and bolted to the wedge. Crude but will track a 24-inch telescope very nicely. I sill use my 16” f/6.9 with it, and sometimes the 12.5-inch. use only foe Mars and when my neighbor insists we point it at the Milky Way 
Like your mount, very nice.
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Lusty
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Loc: Florida USA
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Better one:
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