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PlayUgly
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First Telescope, First Light
      #2614745 - 08/31/08 08:53 AM

The clouds cleared out about 10:00 last night - just in time to set up the new telescope and look at Jupiter. I popped in the 21mm Hyperion and began to search for the planet. I didn't use the Rigel, since I didn't think to buy a battery during the day. After a brief search I found Jupiter. What a sight! It's the first time I've seen planetary detail through a telescope. I could make out two dark cloud bands and four moons. I called my wife and son out, so they could see also. After a few minutes of viewing and discussing how cool a telescope is, I switched to the 13mm Hyperion to get a closer look. Once again it took a little bit to find Jupiter without the finder. The image was very sharp, and I could see differences in the cloud bands. The lower band was darker. The upper band actually turned out to be two bands close together. I could just make out a strip of white between the two. I could sometimes also just make out a darker patch toward the upper pole (south in a reflector?). We spent another 30 minutes or so taking turns at the eyepiece. I wanted to pull out the 8mm, but I didn't like my chances of finding Jupiter without a finder.

When we were finished viewing, my wife carried the eyepieces inside, and I carried the tube. I set it down to get the base, and when I stood straight I banged the Rigel with my shoulder and it went flying. I went to grab the base and bring it in figuring I had broken my finder. When I picked up the finder to look for damage, I could clearly see the battery through the opening in the base! It didn't ocur to me to check to see if a battery was included! Better still, there was no damage, and I popped the Rigel back in place. Now I'm taking everything back out to try the 8mm Hyperion.

It took a few minutes of knob turning to get the Rigel aligned with the 21mm eyepiece, but I quickly learned the advantages of using a finder. I changed to the 13mm and had Jupiter waiting for me in the eyepiece after locating it with the finder first. Now to the 8mm!

Jupiter wasn't quite in the 8mm field of view, but it was so close I found it right away. I was a little disappointed in the view. The details weren't quite as sharp. I also had some trouble managing the higher magnification. It was hard for me to make adjustments and keep Jupiter in sight. More than once I had to consult the finder. I think I need more practice. My wife and I looked at Jupiter for another 20 minutes, and then we decided to pack it in again. We're getting pretty good at it by now.

My first night out I learned I'm going to need an observer's chair, an eyepiece case, and a small table.

I'm very excited to finally have a telescope. My next clear night will be spent looking for DSO's. I hear this is a nice time of the year for globulars.

I'll eventually post a report of my experiences buying and building my Stargazer Steve telescope.

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Victor

Stargazer Steve 6" F/8 Dob
8mm, 13mm, 21mm Hyperions

Nikon 10x50 Bincular
Zhumell 20X80 Binocular
Jason 50X50 Refractor
(purchased by my grandmother's boyfriend for "2 bits" at a garage sale 30 years ago)


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Mr. Mike
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Re: First Telescope, First Light new [Re: PlayUgly]
      #2614769 - 08/31/08 09:26 AM

Glad you got out there! It will take practice and you'll get better at viewing as you get more time at the eyepiece. Seeing conditions greatly affect what you can see with planets. There are often moments of steadiness where details will jump out at you and then times when the image is unstable or "dancing" around. It will vary from night to night.

Make sure your finder is aligned good with your scope and then you'll always know right where you are pointing.

DSOs will be a treat with your scope. Start with some brighter Messier objects to get a feel for the sky. Once you get a few it will get easier and easier. Globular clusters are some of the coolest objects to look at and your Hyperions will show them perfectly!

Good Luck and keep the reports coming....

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Re: First Telescope, First Light new [Re: PlayUgly]
      #2614774 - 08/31/08 09:30 AM

You're off to a wonderful start! Don't give up on the 8mm eyepiece. It's likely that the atmosphere wasn't steady enough for high magnifications that evening. Also you might find the image is better if you let the scope's mirror cool down / warm up (depending on the season) to the outside temperature. That could take 30 minutes to an hour. Noticing some variences in Jupiter's cloud bands is admirable. With practice you'll see even more subtle detail. May you have clear and steady skies.

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Re: First Telescope, First Light new [Re: Doug L]
      #2614999 - 08/31/08 11:58 AM

Always start low and the go high with eyepiece powers. Alwsys.

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Re: First Telescope, First Light new [Re: Snickersnee]
      #2615032 - 08/31/08 12:18 PM

Jupiter is low near the horizon and you end up looking through a lot of atmosphere which adversely affects the image. The key is to observe Jupiter (and other objects) for a long period of time. There will be moments when the atmosphere clears up and the view improves...drastically.

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Re: First Telescope, First Light new [Re: PlayUgly]
      #2615047 - 08/31/08 12:27 PM

Quote:

My first night out I learned I'm going to need an observer's chair, an eyepiece case, and a small table.

I'm very excited to finally have a telescope. My next clear night will be spent looking for DSO's. I hear this is a nice time of the year for globulars.




First and foremost, CONGRATULATIONS on your "First Light" with your new scope, and thanks for sharing your experience with others here.

In regards to learning what you will need to make your observing experience(s) go a little smoother, yours is not a new story or experience. There are many of us here (myself included) who went through the same "trial-by-error" experience. But eventually you will discover what you do need, what you do not need and what would just be nice to have but not a necessity per se.

The most important thing is that you actually got out under the stars!

Best of luck and keep us informed of your future outings and experience(s).

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Orion XTi8 f/5.9
Meade NGC 70mm f/10
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Re: First Telescope, First Light new [Re: PlayUgly]
      #2615168 - 08/31/08 01:52 PM

Congratulations Victor on your new scope and a great first light report!! Also welcome to CN - good to have you along!

You're right about looking for some nice globs. One in particular that you should find fairly easily now is M13. Here's a Telrad Finder Chart that will help you locate it. Even though you have a different finder these charts from the Utah Skies website are still quite valuable to help you find your way star hopping.

Good luck!

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Bill


'flector: Vixen R200SS, Webster 22" f/3.6 (on order)
'fractors: TV-85, NP-127, PST-2X
Orion 15x63, Minox 10x52 HG, GO 22x85 HD
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Re: First Telescope, First Light new [Re: PlayUgly]
      #2615432 - 08/31/08 04:54 PM

Very nice first light report. As far as the 8mm and softness of view, it's already been mentioned that it is probably less than optimum seeing conditions due to it being a bit low in the sky and turbulent atmosphere.

Also, I may have missed it, but did you collimate your scope? If not, you should look at one of these. You can get very good collimation and it will also ensure that your secondary mirror is lined up correctly under the focuser.

That 8mm ep is going to be a favorite for planets. And just you wait 'til Saturn is back!

David

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Re: First Telescope, First Light new [Re: David Pavlich]
      #2615758 - 08/31/08 08:03 PM

Good work on the scope, Victor. I have a 6" f/8, and they're quite nice.

Chris

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Re: First Telescope, First Light new [Re: Protheus]
      #2615933 - 08/31/08 10:12 PM

Sounds like good progress, after a while using the scope will seem like old hat and finding things will be a snap.

I remember a night out with a new telescope, and no chair, back when I was returning to the hobby. I bought my current observing chair the next day. I use what is essentially a drummer's stool with gas lift to allow fast height adjustment for comfortable viewing.

Get a chair with adjustable height. If you are on a budget try a used office furniture place to find a secretaries chair with working gas lift, you can get them cheap. I bought one for practically nothing as it had a broken arm rest. Take the arms (if any) or the back off and you have an adjustable stool.

For the table I use a plastic folding table that Costco sells, it also is adjustable in height over a range useful to a telescope.

Enjoy the new scope!

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Andrew Cooper

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Handmade 18" Dob / NS11GPS / 6" RFT / 90mm APO / TV-76 ...and a twin 10m
"I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night." --Sarah Williams


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